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Friday, November 06, 2009

Bradley: With Hudson back, should Hanson become a closer?

or…With Bisher leaving, should Bradley go with him?

I’m just throwing it out there, OK? So don’t all scream at once. (If you do choose to scream, please take turns.) So here goes:

With the re-signing of Tim Hudson, the Braves have six starting pitchers under contract for 2010. The baseball truism holds that a team can never have too much pitching, but this one just might. The obvious solution would be to make Kenshin Kawakami a reliever, except for a couple of things: He makes too much money (around $8 million) to slot into middle relief and he generates too many baserunners to close. So …. what about this?

Tommy Hanson as closer.

I know, I know. Would any organization in its right mind redeploy its best pitching prospect in a generation so soon? And the answer would ordinarily be a resounding “Heck, no!’ Except that one organization has done pretty well with a redeployed starter as its closer.

The organization: The Boston Red Sox. The starter-turned-closer: Jonathan Papelbon.

Thanks much to the relief of Tyler Hissey.

Repoz Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:06 PM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. CraigK Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:14 PM (#3381440)
No.
   2. Tripon Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:14 PM (#3381442)
yes, do it. Turn the best young pitcher the Braves were able to develop into the closer.
   3. Maxwn Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:16 PM (#3381446)
No.

This.
   4. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:16 PM (#3381448)
McCann should be the primary pinch-hitter, too.
   5. 3Com Park Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:17 PM (#3381451)
I'd definitely want Hanson pitching 75 innings instead of 175.
   6. 1k5v3L Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:19 PM (#3381456)
Milton Bradley shouldn't have written this article.
   7. being STEAGLES isn't the same as having a STEAGLES Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:20 PM (#3381457)
is this guy paid to write things like this?
   8. Tripon Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:22 PM (#3381461)
Why wouldn't the Braves trade Hanson for Dancing Paps if they need a closer that badly?
   9. J. Bowman, upon reflection, does hate pants Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:24 PM (#3381464)
I could point out that Papelbon became a reliever at least partly due to durability concerns, and the fact that Hanson threw ~130 ML innings this year would be a point in favor of his being able to handle a starter's workload. In fact, I just did.
But "No" does sum it up best. Kudos to you, Craig K.
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:24 PM (#3381465)
is this guy paid to write things like this?


With Francouer gone, the AJC sports dept is drifting rudderless and topicless. Writing about Hanson or Hudson every week is a poor substitute, but they will have to make do.
   11. Shalimar Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:43 PM (#3381490)
Or you could trade Lowe or Vasquez for an outfielder. I wouldn't though, it's amazing how many problems like "we have too many pitchers" seem to get solved of their own accord by opening day.
   12. Jeff K. Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:52 PM (#3381501)
Paging Randal. Randal to the Hanson thread.

I'd rather see Hanson cover "Closer" than see Hanson as the closer.
   13. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:55 PM (#3381503)
I’m just throwing it out there, OK? So don’t all scream at once. (If you do choose to scream, please take turns.) So here goes:


OKAY, I'LL GO FIRST. THIS IS VERY DUMB.
   14. Justin T drives a crooked hoss Posted: November 06, 2009 at 10:57 PM (#3381505)
Holy ####.
   15. SteveF Posted: November 06, 2009 at 11:03 PM (#3381519)
I keep looking for the surgical scars on this dude's head.
   16. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: November 06, 2009 at 11:03 PM (#3381521)
What's the story with Lowe? Superficially, his 2009 numbers look a bit like his 2004. Was it just a down year for him, or has his stuff diminished?
   17. Honkie Kong Posted: November 06, 2009 at 11:09 PM (#3381530)
What's the story with Lowe? Superficially, his 2009 numbers look a bit like his 2004. Was it just a down year for him, or has his stuff diminished?


Started off well, had his usual midseason swoon, and instead of picking things in Aug/Sep, he started picking up injuries, and just sucked.
Dunno if it is the start of the decline or just a off year. Hurts his trade value this offseason too
   18. Rickey! doesn't think YR is a less terrible Sam Posted: November 06, 2009 at 11:15 PM (#3381540)
@Lowe: Had bad BABIP luck too, if you believe in such things.

@Hanson >> closer: There's a reason Mark Bradley covers the Hawks.
   19. Latnam's first name is Bob Lemon's middle name Posted: November 06, 2009 at 11:23 PM (#3381546)
I think a large portion of my faith in humanity left from just reading this headline, and knowing that the person who wrote it was serious.
   20. Honkie Kong Posted: November 06, 2009 at 11:24 PM (#3381547)
I think a large portion of my faith in humanity left from just reading this headline, and knowing that the person who wrote it was serious.


Given that you work in the DA's office...
   21. The Buddy Biancalana Hit Counter Posted: November 06, 2009 at 11:30 PM (#3381553)
I think a large portion of my faith in humanity left from just reading this headline, and knowing that the person who wrote it was serious.


276 comments for this post on AJC.com. The post above it asks Falcons fans to opine about DeAngelo Hall. That one has 320 comments. I think he's serious about something just not necessarily the premise of the posts.
   22. puck Posted: November 06, 2009 at 11:34 PM (#3381557)
I'd definitely want Hanson pitching 75 innings instead of 175.


Way to wear down your closer.
   23. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: November 06, 2009 at 11:44 PM (#3381565)
Would the Braves do Lowe & a big chunk of his salary for Luke Scott?
   24. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: November 07, 2009 at 01:27 AM (#3381613)
I'd rather see Hanson cover "Closer" than see Hanson as the closer.


Oh, very well done.
   25. bunyon Posted: November 07, 2009 at 01:56 AM (#3381626)
You know, I've been thinking about this one for awhile. I'm pretty sure that if the Cubs in 1989 had had Greg Maddux as closer, they'd have won the World Series.

And the Red Sox clearly messed up not converting Clemens to closer before the 1986 season.
   26. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: November 07, 2009 at 02:12 AM (#3381632)
I think the Braves should go to an all-closer pitching staff.
   27. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 07, 2009 at 02:39 AM (#3381645)
I think the Braves should go to an all-closer pitching staff.

But who would pitch the eighth?
   28. Latnam's first name is Bob Lemon's middle name Posted: November 07, 2009 at 02:41 AM (#3381648)
Given that you work in the DA's office...


Whoa, whoa, you wound me. I actually work in the public defender's office. Which is like the DA's office, in that it is the exact opposite of that. We do see the same people though, and one would've thought I'd have lost my faith in humanity long ago.
   29. Tripon Posted: November 07, 2009 at 02:44 AM (#3381649)

Whoa, whoa, you wound me. I actually work in the public defender's office. Which is like the DA's office, in that it is the exact opposite of that. We do see the same people though, and one would've thought I'd have lost my faith in humanity long ago.


Is your life like Raising the Bar where you get to sleep with your hot co-workers with no repercussions?
   30. The District Attorney Posted: November 07, 2009 at 02:44 AM (#3381650)
I actually work in the public defender's office. Which is like the DA's office, in that it is the exact opposite of that.
It's true, I've never seen the man.
   31. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 07, 2009 at 02:45 AM (#3381651)
Is your life like Raising the Bar where you get to sleep with your hot co-workers with no repercussions?

Or is it like Twelve Angry Men where you sit dumbly next to your swarthy client and let Henry Fonda prove reasonable doubt in the jury room?

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