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Saturday, May 24, 2014

Braves 3B pulled from game after tantrum

The veteran third baseman threw a tantrum in the tunnel leading into the Braves clubhouse following a second-inning strikeout against the Colorado Rockies, forcing manager Fredi Gonzalez to remove him for Ramiro Pena in the top of the third.

A 73 OPS+, leads the league in GIDP, sorta nuts, and a three year extension that hasn’t even kicked in yet.

Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: May 24, 2014 at 01:24 AM | 39 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: May 24, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4712535)
Would have helped to indicate at least somewhere in this article what the player's name was. I correctly guessed it was Chris Johnson, because he's a stupid brat.
   2. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 24, 2014 at 10:41 AM (#4712537)
It was Chris Johnson. Chris Johnson has some redassery issues that the team deals with by benching him in favor of Ramiro Pena. Particularly he loses his #### in the dugout and clubhouse and throws #### around violently. Occasionally, he'll stalk Jose Fernandez and rip out his elbow ligament.
   3. JE (Jason) Posted: May 24, 2014 at 10:49 AM (#4712539)
Braves 3B pulled from game after tantrum

A 73 OPS+, leads the league in GIDP, sorta nuts, and a three year extension that hasn’t even kicked in yet.

Sam could do all of the above for a fraction of the cost.
   4. cardsfanboy Posted: May 24, 2014 at 10:52 AM (#4712542)
Sam could do all of the above for a fraction of the cost.


Are you sure Sam and Chris Johnson aren't the same person? Have you ever seen them in the same place together?
   5. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4712544)
I have never assaulted Terry Pendleton with a ricochet batting helmet.
   6. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4712545)
Are you sure Sam and Chris Johnson aren't the same person? Have you ever seen them in the same place together?

except Johnson's weapon of choice is the garotte
   7. JE (Jason) Posted: May 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4712548)
Are you sure Sam and Chris Johnson aren't the same person? Have you ever seen them in the same place together?

Hmmm, are you suggesting that Chris Johnson was the unhinged fella threatening Bob Tufts' elbow ligament during last year's BBTF softball game?
   8. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: May 24, 2014 at 11:10 AM (#4712551)
But aren't tantrums about 80% of what the Braves do?
   9. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 24, 2014 at 11:21 AM (#4712554)
Throwing tantrums and winning the NL East. It's sort of our thing. Somebody poke Eso in the kidneys while I punch him in the gnads. YAY! NATS FAN PUNCHING!!
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM (#4712558)
I thought Michael Young retired.

But aren't tantrums about 80% of what the Braves do?


You mean Cardinals.
   11. DA Baracus Posted: May 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4712571)
Sam could do all of the above for a fraction of the cost.


He's probably a better fielder too.
   12. salvomania Posted: May 24, 2014 at 12:13 PM (#4712582)

You mean Cardinals.

The Cardinals are more about whining than throwing tantrums.

I prefer the theatricality of tantrums, plus there's less hypocrisy.
   13. Bob T Posted: May 24, 2014 at 12:15 PM (#4712583)
Should I be more surprised that Chris Johnson was second in the NL last year in BA or that Michael Cuddyer was first?

That was not a batting race that held the imagination of the country.
   14. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: May 24, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4712585)
I calculate Chris Johnson has a fine managing career ahead of him.
   15. Sweatpants Posted: May 24, 2014 at 12:29 PM (#4712590)
Should I be more surprised that Chris Johnson was second in the NL last year in BA or that Michael Cuddyer was first?
Johnson. Cuddyer's a pretty good hitter who was playing in Colorado. Johnson needs to hit .360 on balls in play to have any value as a hitter (he's actually hitting .352 on them this season, but there's nothing else that he's doing well).
   16. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 24, 2014 at 12:35 PM (#4712597)
The worst thing about this was that Ramiro Pena then led off the bottom of the eighth with a double and came around to score the decisive run in a 3-2 game.
   17. boteman Posted: May 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM (#4712599)
So you're saying Johnson should throw more tantrums, thus allowing the Barves to win more games???
   18. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM (#4712603)
It was a relief after Freeman and JUpton wasted the bases loaded, one-out opp in the bottom of 8. God bless Gerald Laird.
   19. bigglou115 Posted: May 24, 2014 at 01:58 PM (#4712629)
The Braves extension of Johnson really baffled me. They extended Uggla for an obscene amount and he cratered, some people were expecting it, but hey he was good too the last few years so I figure it was just a bad gamble. They sign a declining BJ Upton to a team high FA contract, I'm a little more concerned, but his fall was more dramatic than even his decline suggested and he could find a way to bounce back to something that isn't the worst position player in baseball. I'm torn of the Freeman and Teheran extensions. They had a long time for both, but Teheran was so cheap it kinda washes away the injury concerns, and if salary inflation does it's thing the Freeman deal should be all right, although now it looks like an overpay. But the Chris Johnson extension was horrible. This guy isn't the long term answer at 3B, he's a guy you keep year to year so you can DFA him when he tanks. Sure the money's not much, but the Braves don't have much.

It's like the Braves are experiencing done delusion where they think a player will be just as good as his last season going forward regardless of any evidence. Chris Johnson had to hit in the .320s to be slightly above average overall. I also really hate the excuse that "he's going to have a high BABIP because of his new approach!" Or people point out he's always had a higher than average BABIP, 2010 and 2012 he had a BABIP in the .250s, his fWAR was still in the low 1s. The fact is the Braves are building a little track record here of really whiffing on MLB player evaluations and it's troubling.
   20. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 24, 2014 at 02:13 PM (#4712641)
Chris Johnson wasn't extended to be the future at 3B. He was extended because Victor Caratini is still in the low minors and Edward Salcedo never developed.
   21. base ball chick Posted: May 24, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4712643)
isn't it fun that a White Boy has a tantrum at age 29, gets benched and everyone is, like YAWN, but let yasiel puig try to take the extra base or try to catch that fly ball instead of trotting up and letting it drop for a single and it's SEND THAT piece of *($%^&@!#( dopwn to AAA!!!!!

and i am actually glad to see CJ get a nice contract, just because i hate the astros

he's a cromulent 3B and i guess the braves didn't see any others in the minors/trade market
   22. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 24, 2014 at 02:17 PM (#4712646)
And Caratini is playing C at AA Rome this year for some reason.
   23. DA Baracus Posted: May 24, 2014 at 03:06 PM (#4712685)
Johnson's contract made no sense. But that seems to be a running theme for Wren.
   24. Mike Emeigh Posted: May 24, 2014 at 03:30 PM (#4712722)
And Caratini is playing C at AA Rome this year for some reason.


When did Rome move out of the SAL?

Caratini was a combo 3B/C at Miami-Dade, but very few people think he can stick behind the plate; however it costs the Braves very little to find out. He does have good contact skills and the power will come.

-- MWE
   25. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: May 24, 2014 at 03:40 PM (#4712738)
If only they had re-signed McCann... this would never have been allowed to happen.
   26. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: May 24, 2014 at 04:09 PM (#4712766)
Would have helped to indicate at least somewhere in this article what the player's name was.

I find it's more fun to guess and see how your preconceived notions are functioning.

Edit: And I initially titled this submission "Fredi Yanks Johnson After Flare Up". But I decided the brass around here probably wouldn't appreciate it.
   27. Bhaakon Posted: May 24, 2014 at 05:08 PM (#4712846)
isn't it fun that a White Boy has a tantrum at age 29, gets benched and everyone is, like YAWN, but let yasiel puig try to take the extra base or try to catch that fly ball instead of trotting up and letting it drop for a single and it's SEND THAT piece of *($%^&@!#( dopwn to AAA!!!!!


Chris Johnson isn't a good enough player in a big enough market to elicit the attention.
   28. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: May 24, 2014 at 05:20 PM (#4712873)
No. Racism.
   29. bfan Posted: May 24, 2014 at 05:43 PM (#4712886)
isn't it fun that a White Boy has a tantrum at age 29, gets benched and everyone is, like YAWN, but let yasiel puig try to take the extra base or try to catch that fly ball instead of trotting up and letting it drop for a single and it's SEND THAT piece of *($%^&@!#( dopwn to AAA!!!!!


Well for one MAJOR difference, people feel differently about people who care too much (harsh reaction to failure) than they do about people who care too little (seemed indifference about failure).
   30. bfan Posted: May 24, 2014 at 05:49 PM (#4712889)
Chris Johnson wasn't extended to be the future at 3B. He was extended because Victor Caratini is still in the low minors and Edward Salcedo never developed.


don't write off Kyle Kubitza, the anti-Chris Johnson (walks and XB power, but not a high BA).
   31. Walt Davis Posted: May 24, 2014 at 06:32 PM (#4712907)
Heck, pull crap like this while wearing a Yankee uniform and you'll be beloved. (O'Neill)
   32. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 24, 2014 at 07:40 PM (#4712919)
Should I be more surprised that Chris Johnson was second in the NL last year in BA or that Michael Cuddyer was first?

Maybe Johnson flies off the handle with frustration because he so badly wanted that Chalmers Model 30.
   33. silhouetted by the sea Posted: May 24, 2014 at 07:47 PM (#4712921)
isn't it fun that a White Boy has a tantrum at age 29, gets benched and everyone is, like YAWN, but let yasiel puig try to take the extra base or try to catch that fly ball instead of trotting up and letting it drop for a single and it's SEND THAT piece of *($%^&@!#( dopwn to AAA!!!!!


Well for one MAJOR difference, people feel differently about people who care too much (harsh reaction to failure) than they do about people who care too little (seemed indifference about failure).


Someone compares Puig trying to take extra bases and diving for a fly ball instead of letting it drop for a hit and you interpret that as caring to little. I would love to hear how that reasoning works.
   34. Bhaakon Posted: May 25, 2014 at 02:47 AM (#4713049)
Someone compares Puig trying to take extra bases and diving for a fly ball instead of letting it drop for a hit and you interpret that as caring to little. I would love to hear how that reasoning works.


Yeah, I have a hard time with that interpretation as well. Puig does a lot of stupid things, but not really due to lack of effort on the field. Maybe he isn't working hard enough to improve his decision-making in his off-time, but I haven't heard much evidence of that.
   35. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM (#4713089)
Chris Johnson wasn't extended to be the future at 3B. He was extended because Victor Caratini is still in the low minors and Edward Salcedo never developed.


Couldn't they have just gone out and gotten a different 3B this offseason?
   36. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 25, 2014 at 11:37 AM (#4713098)
Does someone have a 3Bman that seems to be under-producing?

Send him to the Blue Jays and watch him become a slugging machine (Bautista, Encarnacion, Francisco)!
   37. Barnaby Jones Posted: May 26, 2014 at 03:55 AM (#4713339)
Send him to the Blue Jays and watch him become a slugging machine (Bautista, Encarnacion, Francisco)!


Francisco lost his job to Johnson last year, even...
   38. Rants Mulliniks Posted: May 26, 2014 at 09:23 AM (#4713365)
You're only allowed to throw tantrums when you're producing. Bautista beat the living tar out of the dugout with a bat after striking out a few days ago, and nary a word from Gibbons.
   39. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: May 26, 2014 at 10:10 AM (#4713374)
"Tantrum" is such a fantastic word for this.

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