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Braves send Matt Kemp to Dodgers for Adrian Gonzalez, more major-leaguers | CBS Sports

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The #Braves & Dodgers completed a five-player trade today in which the Braves have acquired pitchers Brandon McCarthy & Scott Kazmir, INF Charlie Culberson, 1B Adrian Gonzalez & cash considerations in exchange for OF Matt Kemp. Details:

11:40 AM - Dec 16, 2017

LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 16, 2017 at 03:08 PM | 55 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: adrian gonzalez, brandon mccarthy, braves, charlie culberson, dodgers, matt kemp, scott kazmir

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   1. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 16, 2017 at 03:35 PM (#5593783)
Unless there’s over $40m going to the Braves here, this is an absolute swindling. These were dead weight contracts. Even if the Dodgers release Kemp today, they still come out ahead. Wtf was the Braves’ GM thinking?
   2. Ziggy's screen name Posted: December 16, 2017 at 03:36 PM (#5593785)
Maybe there's some obvious answer, but why do the Braves want Adrian Gonzalez?

For that matter, why do the Dodgers want Matt Kemp back? He's probably just a way of moving money around, but the guy was below replacement level last year. Bellinger is a 1B I guess.
   3. JJ1986 Posted: December 16, 2017 at 03:36 PM (#5593786)
Wtf was the Braves’ GM thinking?
He must have really wanted Charlie Culberson.
   4. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 16, 2017 at 03:37 PM (#5593787)
According to Heyman, cash is $4.5M from Dodgers to the Braves.

Braves spend about $26.5M more in 2018 while saving $18M in 2019. So basically betting that they can get about 1 win more of value out of Kazmir, McCarthy and/or Culberson (they're going to immediately release Gonzalez), assuming Kemp is replacement-level in 2018 or 2019 (or gets released).

I like the deal better for the Dodgers in terms of getting something of actual value (resetting CBT) while not really hurting their chances. And who knows, Kemp might be a semi-useful piece as an extra outfield bat or even platoonmate for Pederson in LF. Braves might luck out if the pitcher(s) stay healthy and can be flipped for lower tier prospects at the deadline, but that is basically a role of the dice.

Presumably the trade takes LA out of the running for FA's in the 2017-18 (if it wasn't obvious already), which is bad news for the frontline SPs.


EDIT: I don't understand the inclusion of Culberson. Not that it really matters, but why would you want a sub-replacement level infielder? He's no better than any number of minor league free agents who don't require a 40 man roster spot to bring to spring training.
   5. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: December 16, 2017 at 03:40 PM (#5593788)
From mlbtraderumors.com:

There’s a ton to unpack here, but the biggest motivator of the trade appears to be money, and more specifically luxury tax implications for the Dodgers. Rosenthal notes in another tweet that the trade is “effectively cash-neutral overall,” but adds that the swap will put the Dodgers below the $197MM luxury tax threshold for the 2018 season. That will allow the Dodgers to reset the escalating luxury tax penalties, which seems to have been a significant objective for the club this offseason. The money owed to Kemp is spread out across the 2018-2019 seasons, while Gonzalez, Kazmir and McCarthy all have just one year remaining on their contracts.

Joel Sherman reports in his own tweet that the Braves are planning to release Gonzalez...

As for the Braves, they’ll get about $4.5MM in the deal (hat tip to Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports). GM Alex Anthopoulos says that McCarthy satisfies the team’s “desire to add a veteran starter,” while Culberson fills their need for a bench player (via Mark Bowman of MLB.com). Kazmir has some upside as a rotation piece too.
   6. Randomly Fluctuating Defensive Metric Posted: December 16, 2017 at 03:40 PM (#5593789)
Wtf was the Braves’ GM thinking?


Kemp was signed through 2019, these dudes just through this season. Gonzalez has already been waived. The Braves have a bunch of pitching prospects in the pipeline, so one year stop-gaps like McCarthy make sense for them. Also, this opens up a spot for Acuna. I mean, its an ugly trade, but I don't think the Braves are sitting there thinking it'll make them a contender. They just wanted Kemp off the books. Why did the previous regime trade for a Kemp contract that runs through 2019? That's the conundrum for me. The Dodgers dumped Kemp. The Padres wanted to dump Kemp. Who signs up for that bargain?
   7. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 16, 2017 at 03:48 PM (#5593790)
Yeah, I somehow missed that Kemp was signed through 2019. I misremembered how long the deal he signed after 2011 was. Still a very good trade for LA, but not as great as I was thinking. Kemp might not be a bad 4th outfielder; he may still have some bat left, but the glove is trash. Rumor is they plan to trade him to an AL team that will take on a few million dollars.
   8. Randomly Fluctuating Defensive Metric Posted: December 16, 2017 at 03:53 PM (#5593791)
Yeah, I don't see Kemp staying with the Dodgers. But could it make sense for them to try him as the back-up first baseman to Bellinger? He could get some AB's versus tough lefties while Bellinger shifts to the outfield. Of course Kemp may not be interested in a part-time role. Who the hell would trade for Kemp to be a two year DH? Would the Dodgers really eat the money left on his contract? Should be interesting to see how it plays out.
   9. asinwreck Posted: December 16, 2017 at 04:09 PM (#5593798)
Would the Dodgers send a worthwhile prospect with Kemp to free up the roster spot? If so, I could see the Tigers, Royals, or White Sox giving him at-bats over the next couple of years.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: December 16, 2017 at 04:10 PM (#5593799)
The Braves (different GM) did a smaller version of this a few years ago when they traded a few years of Chris Johnson for fewer years of Swisher and Bourn -- I think it was roughly the same $ but the Braves got out from under in 2 years while the Indians were on the hook for 3.

The Dodgers presumably are loading up for a run at Harper next year if they can stay below the threshold this year.
   11. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: December 16, 2017 at 04:14 PM (#5593802)
For the hell of it, here are some numbers over the past two seasons:

271/309/484, 54 homers --MATT KEMP!!!
265/310/480, 51 homers (DH/LF)
256/316/486, 44 homers (DH/C)
282/313/475, 38 homers (DH/1B)
220/317/474, 37 homers (1B/DH)
263/314/498, 36 homers (1B/DH)

(In order, the others are: Corey Dickerson, Evan Gattis, Ryon Healy, Lucas Duda, and Matt Adams.)
   12. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 16, 2017 at 04:26 PM (#5593805)
[9] I doubt it. More likely would be paying a team $25-30m to take his contract.
   13. Hit by Pitch Posted: December 16, 2017 at 05:08 PM (#5593822)
If I understand this correctly the Dodgers just saved 16.5m by doing this rather than just dumped Gonzalez straight up.

They gave up 52.5m (Kazmir 17.5, McCarthy 11.5 and Gonzalez 22.5).


They took on 2 years of Kemp at 43.5m. SD pays 5m and the Dodgers already would have had to pay him 7m, so in reality he is going to cost them 31.5 plus the 4.5m they are sending back for a total 36m.

Am I missing something?
   14. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 16, 2017 at 05:52 PM (#5593836)
Am I missing something?

Dodgers were already on the hook for $3.5M/yr of Kemp's 2018 and 2019 salaries and the Padres are kicking in $2.5M/yr.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: December 16, 2017 at 06:07 PM (#5593839)
The $5 M went from SD to Atlanta ... it isn't going from Atlanta to LA (or at least that's not discussed above). The $7 M went from LA to SD, I don't know if it went on to Atlanta and, again, there's nothing about it being included back to LA in this deal.

If I have that right, the Dodgers are covering $43 M of Kemp plus the $7 M owed to SD/Atl for Kemp plus another $4.5 M to the Braves. They were on the hook for the $7 M either way so it's still $47.5 M of new salary commitments for the Dodgers. If they gave up $52.5 then they save $5 M overall but most importantly for them, they save about $30 M this year, achieving the reset. I don't know what sort of lux tax penalty they would have been subject to next year, but possibly they make back that $5 M once they go over by $10 M or so.
   16. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: December 16, 2017 at 06:12 PM (#5593841)
I don't know what sort of lux tax penalty they would have been subject to next year...
The kind that messes with your draft picks.
   17. cardsfanboy Posted: December 16, 2017 at 06:38 PM (#5593847)
Joel Sherman reports in his own tweet that the Braves are planning to release Gonzalez...


Gonzalez had a horrible year last year, but if you are stuck paying him, why would you release him before spring training? I mean the worst case scenario is you play him in the spring and then release him, other scenarios include him showing something of talent left that another team might pick him up.(unless Gonzalez has an Albert Belle type of injury that I don't know about)

After reading an article on it, apparently part of the deal was that the Braves would designate him for assignment to get him to waive the no trade clause....so I missed that part.
   18. cardsfanboy Posted: December 16, 2017 at 06:40 PM (#5593848)
If I have that right, the Dodgers are covering $43 M of Kemp plus the $7 M owed to SD/Atl for Kemp plus another $4.5 M to the Braves. They were on the hook for the $7 M either way so it's still $47.5 M of new salary commitments for the Dodgers. If they gave up $52.5 then they save $5 M overall but most importantly for them, they save about $30 M this year, achieving the reset. I don't know what sort of lux tax penalty they would have been subject to next year, but possibly they make back that $5 M once they go over by $10 M or so.


I'm thinking that it's more than just about next year, if the Harper rumors are true, the Dodgers plan on being over the luxury tax for several future seasons, so resetting it makes a lot of sense.
   19. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 16, 2017 at 06:41 PM (#5593849)
I keep thinking that Matt Kemp, earlier this past season, was tearing the cover off the ball and his trade value was probably as high as ever going to be over the course of this contract. Kind of feel like they should have traded him then.
   20. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 16, 2017 at 06:42 PM (#5593850)
Beyond Gonzalez's own preferences, keeping Gonzalez around means having to make room for him on the 40 man roster (i.e., probably lose a prospect), so it's not totally a costless move for the Braves. And there's zero chance of him breaking camp with the team given his limitations and the presence of Freeman.
   21. Brian White Posted: December 16, 2017 at 06:57 PM (#5593853)
I keep thinking that Matt Kemp, earlier this past season, was tearing the cover off the ball and his trade value was probably as high as ever going to be over the course of this contract. Kind of feel like they should have traded him then.


Yep. Kemp's OPS by month:

April: 1.077
May: .946
June: .644
July: .642
August: .766
September: .578
   22. ptodd Posted: December 16, 2017 at 08:07 PM (#5593872)
So Dodgers can resign Agon at the minimum
   23. Walt Davis Posted: December 16, 2017 at 10:15 PM (#5593902)
I'm thinking that it's more than just about next year, if the Harper rumors are true, the Dodgers plan on being over the luxury tax for several future seasons, so resetting it makes a lot of sense.

Yes, I was just trying to point out how easily/quickly they recover the extra $5 M (or whatever) they are eating in this deal.

I want to say this is at least the second time in the last few years that the Braves have acquired a high-paid vet player that they immediately released but I can't remember the other one. This is all too much like NBA salary shenanigans for my tastes.
   24. JJ1986 Posted: December 16, 2017 at 10:24 PM (#5593905)
I think the other one was Carlos Quentin.
   25. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: December 17, 2017 at 12:30 AM (#5593924)
23--The Chris Johnson/Nick Swisher/Michael Bourn swap?
   26. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 17, 2017 at 01:57 AM (#5593932)
I was thinking of Hector Oliver’s, but he went the other way- Braves traded him and his new team immediately released him.
   27. Sunday silence Posted: December 17, 2017 at 02:45 AM (#5593935)
Incidentally, does Matt Kemp have one of the most polarized defensive rating of all time?

HIs age 26 season in CF TZ has him at -2 runs and BRIS at -37. How the hell is that possible? Two systems supposedly run by intelligent people and using computers and such and they cant come within 3.5 games of agreement on his def. value. And its not one of those extrapolated numbers, its based on actual playing 158 games out there.


Two systems looking at the same guy and every time he runs out to CF one of them has him at pretty much league average and the other has him as like an all time worst...

No doubt future generations will look at our def. ratings and wonder how we could be so dumb.
   28. bookbook Posted: December 17, 2017 at 07:24 AM (#5593939)
Dodgers are all about gaming the system these days, aren’t they? First they make a mockery of the DL, now the luxury tax? At some point the league will need to intervene or scrap the rules.
   29. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 17, 2017 at 08:39 AM (#5593940)
Capology becomes the driving force in baseball trades. Somewhere Bud Selig is rubbing his nipples.
   30. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 17, 2017 at 08:39 AM (#5593942)
HIs age 26 season in CF TZ has him at -2 runs and BRIS at -37. How the hell is that possible? Two systems supposedly run by intelligent people and using computers and such and they cant come within 3.5 games of agreement on his def. value. And its not one of those extrapolated numbers, its based on actual playing 158 games out there.

I was reading an article a few weeks ago comparing UZR to another defensive system (maybe Kiko's). Anyway, the correlation between them was quite good for nearly every position except for CF (something like .5 versus .7ish for every other position). Point being, in terms of historically disagreements, it will probably involve a CFer.
   31. The Duke Posted: December 17, 2017 at 09:48 AM (#5593953)
Trade make sense but I think Kemp has a lot of pop in his bat. I could see him ending up on an AL team. I noticed last year at the games that I would also snap my head up whenever Kemp hit the ball. now, I’m sure the Braves has been working that angle and no one bit, but it sounds like the dodgers might be willing to throw in a prospect that the Braves weren’t willing to to do.

Either way, kemp will never put on a dodgers uniform. If he isn’t traded he will be dfa’d.
   32. asinwreck Posted: December 17, 2017 at 10:59 AM (#5593967)
If your league has a luxury tax or salary cap, of course competent organizations will hire managers to reduce their liabilities. This is why the NFL, NBA, and NHL have teams that employ staff just to address cap issues, and why what the Dodgers and Yankees have done this fall is a sign of things to come if MLB continues to seek a drag on salaries.
   33. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: December 17, 2017 at 03:35 PM (#5594046)
Gaming the system? How so?
   34. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 17, 2017 at 05:56 PM (#5594076)
[28] Scrapping the luxury tax rules would sure be nice.
   35. shoewizard Posted: December 17, 2017 at 09:01 PM (#5594139)
As I look at the massively unproductive contracts being moved around, I am reminded that some team is going to sign JD Martinez to a contract that is going to have to be moved in a similar way 4-5 years from now.
   36. shoewizard Posted: December 17, 2017 at 09:26 PM (#5594150)
I noticed last year at the games that I would also snap my head up whenever Kemp hit the ball


Yeah, I had the same reaction watching him in the Arizona Fall league in 2005. He's always made "That sound"
   37. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 18, 2017 at 08:57 AM (#5594228)
As I look at the massively unproductive contracts being moved around, I am reminded that some team is going to sign JD Martinez to a contract that is going to have to be moved in a similar way 4-5 years from now.

You need to think of these deals as deferred comp. Nobody expects the last year or two to be worth anything. The AAVs of top players have not kept pace with inflation. Instead they get an extra year or two of dead money.

i.e. the price of a win for 1-3 WAR players seems to be about $9M. But a 5 WAR+ player, doesn't get a $40-50M AAV. Instead of given the 5/200 contract that would be rational, they give a 7/215 contract that hurts less from a luxury tax perspective.
   38. Rusty Priske Posted: December 18, 2017 at 10:29 AM (#5594258)
Scrapping the luxury tax rules would sure be nice.


...and replace them with reasonable salary cap and salary floor rules.
   39. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 18, 2017 at 10:49 AM (#5594275)
...and replace them with reasonable salary cap and salary floor rules.

God no. Address competitive balance through revenue sharing, not on the backs of the players.
   40. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: December 18, 2017 at 10:58 AM (#5594288)
Braves MLB beat writer Mark Bowman:

"With his first significant move as the Braves GM, Anthopoulos cleaned the lingering mess from the Olivera trade, which was fueled by (John) Blakeley and Coppolella.

Hart didn't like that deal from day one. Blakeley was determined to get Olivera after not signing him."
   41. dlf Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:20 AM (#5594316)
Hart didn't like that deal from day one.


I hate it when something like this comes up. "I was in charge, but no, that wasn't my move, don't blame me." Baloney. Either he supported it, or he acquiesced; either way, throwing someone under the tires years later after at least signing off on the deal is, at best, bad form.

Anthopoulos cleaned the lingering mess from the Olivera trade


Huh? If dumping Olivera on SD didn't clear the mess, then why aren't we now saying that they need to dump Kazmir, et al. to clear the lingering mess? Why is one link in the subsequent chain materially different than two, since both moves are almost 100% salary driven rather than talent acquisition based?

...

I really hope that Brandon McCarthy does well for Atlanta, less for the on-field stuff than just liking him. I enjoyed his recent appearance on the PosCast and typically enjoy both his and his wife's tweets. It is fun to be able to root for the player and not just the laundry.
   42. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:24 AM (#5594320)
If dumping Olivera on SD didn't clear the mess, then why aren't we now saying that they need to dump Kazmir, et al. to clear the lingering mess?


Because flipping Kemp's dead salary for Gonzalez's dead salary plus two live-ish arms 1) improves a point of weakness for the Braves (reliable starting pitching options), 2) creates space for their #1 prospect to break in (Acuna), and 3) makes the monetary commitments, um, linger less?*

*by paying what amounts to both years of Kemp's contract in 2018, they free up the 21.5 million LINGERING to him in 2019, thus giving them some 60-90 million dollars to play with in the free agent markets next year
   43. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:35 AM (#5594331)

*by paying what amounts to both years of Kemp's contract in 2018, they free up the 21.5 million LINGERING to him in 2019, thus giving them some 60-90 million dollars to play with in the free agent markets next year


Unless they play to be near the luxury tax threshold, this is completely irrelevant. The money doesn't spoil if it's not spent this year. They could just put the $20M in the bank, and spend it in 2019.
   44. dlf Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:37 AM (#5594333)
Sam ~ That is on point for whether the trade makes sense in the abstract, but says nothing about "clean[ing] the lingering mess from the Olivera trade" which had nothing to do with live-ish arms or Acuna. Bowman seems to want to pile on the not so dearly departed Coppolella rather than address the pros and cons of the deal. Note that I like the deal for the Braves (and the Dodgers too) and am not arguing that it isn't a reasonable move; I'm only pushing back on somehow tying this to Olivera, a crap move from day one when even absent character concerns, the Braves got hosed on a talent standpoint as almost everyone here noted back then.
   45. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: December 18, 2017 at 11:57 AM (#5594353)
Unless they play to be near the luxury tax threshold, this is completely irrelevant. The money doesn't spoil if it's not spent this year. They could just put the $20M in the bank, and spend it in 2019.


Every indication is that this is not how Liberty runs their budgeting allocations.

That is on point for whether the trade makes sense in the abstract, but says nothing about "clean[ing] the lingering mess from the Olivera trade" which had nothing to do with live-ish arms or Acuna. Bowman seems to want to pile on the not so dearly departed Coppolella rather than address the pros and cons of the deal.


I generally agree, but when Bowman talks about the "lingering mess" he's talking about Kemp's contract. The Braves are under that "lingering" contract explicitly as the price paid to get out of the Olivera debacle. Is it a stretch? Maybe. I'm sympathetic to that reading. And I'm also sympathetic to not needing to air the dirty laundry of "who was it that had such the damned hard on for Olivera in the first place." But when he talks about "lingering mess," he's attributing the remainder of the money owed Kemp as part of the price paid in the Olivera debacle. Now that money is being spent on vaguely (potentially) more useful parts, and it disappears from the books one year sooner. Thus "cleaning up the lingering mess."

Again, I'm not defending the phrasing per se, just giving my reading of it.

I like this trade because it does the things I mention above. It balances "wow, what if Luiz Gohara isn't The Answer?" with "well, maybe McCarthy or Kazmir can provide some innings while the prospect prospect." It makes room for Acuna. And it gives the Braves a real budget to play for one of the franchise-changing talents that are scheduled to be free agents next year (if not two of them.)
   46. PreservedFish Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:04 PM (#5594363)
Every indication is that this is not how Liberty runs their budgeting allocations.


Right, this was going to be my response to snapper too. If they say "you get X this year, and X next year," they might be stuck within that framework.

"Hey boss, remember when I saved you a bunch of money last year? I'd like to spend it now."
"Uh ... no. I ... used it."
   47. Nasty Nate Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:31 PM (#5594390)
If their budgeting allocations are so foolish, the front office can restructure the Freeman and Inciarte contracts to be more front-loaded. The players would agree, as long as their guaranteed total remained the same, because of the time value of money.
   48. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:32 PM (#5594393)
Every indication is that this is not how Liberty runs their budgeting allocations.

Right, this was going to be my response to snapper too. If they say "you get X this year, and X next year," they might be stuck within that framework.

I understand how this works for normal budget items, but for a $20M difference they should be able to talk to Liberty in advance saying, "We'd like to pay off Kemp's contract this year by coming in $20M under budget and have our budget expanded next year."

I assume the Liberty people aren't morons and know that $20M today is better than $20M tomorrow, so should agree.
   49. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:35 PM (#5594395)
I understand how this works for normal budget items, but for a $20M difference they should be able to talk to Liberty in advance saying, "We'd like to pay off Kemp's contract this year by coming in $20M under budget and have our budget expanded next year."

I assume the Liberty people aren't morons and know that $20M today is better than $20M tomorrow, so should agree.


Every indication is that this is not how Liberty runs their budgeting allocations.
   50. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:38 PM (#5594400)
Why are we assuming intelligence on the part of Liberty's management?
   51. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 18, 2017 at 12:46 PM (#5594413)
Every indication is that this is not how Liberty runs their budgeting allocations.

Then just renegotiate Freddie Freeman's contract so that he makes $41M in 2018, and $1M in 2019. A trade isn't necessary.
   52. dlf Posted: December 18, 2017 at 01:00 PM (#5594431)
Why are we assuming intelligence on the part of Liberty's management?


John Malone is a brilliant business man. I really liked the section on him and his entities in "The Outsiders." That they are running the Braves to maximize distributable cash to the investors and care about on-field results only to the degree it impacts their primary concern matters a LOT to a fan like me, but doesn't mean they aren't acting intelligently.

...

I don't buy the Liberty isn't willing to look at multi-year expenses story. The source for that are sportswriters who, to be frank, tend not to be the most educated in financial planning or general fiscal matters. But for what it's worth, in the last investor conference, Liberty scheduled twice as long to discuss each of SiriusXM, LiveNation, and Formula 1 than they did for the Braves with almost all of the material presented focusing on corporate sponsorship, opening of White Flight Field, and construction projects in the Battery with a very brief mention of the final record, Gohara, Inciarte, Snitker, and AA. A pdf of the presentation is here.
   53. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: December 18, 2017 at 01:13 PM (#5594450)
I get that you boys are super more way better smarter than the billionaires who run Liberty, because the internet, and as such I defer to your soaring, godlike wisdom of how they *should* allocate budgets. Nevertheless, when discussing what the DID do and what they ARE doing, I'll continue to look at the actions and behaviors of now four different front office teams, from last few years of John Schuerholz and Bobby Cox, to Frank Wren and his brother, to John Coppalella and the small arms dealers he was working with in South America, now to that new guy from Toronto by way of LA. And all four of them behave explicitly in a manner to suggest Liberty doesn't run their budget allocations like that.
   54. Nasty Nate Posted: December 18, 2017 at 01:21 PM (#5594462)
I get that you boys are super more way better smarter than the billionaires who run Liberty...
Wait, wait, you're the one suggesting that they do things in stupid way, that they would prefer to make less money.
   55. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: December 18, 2017 at 01:38 PM (#5594479)
Wait, wait, you're the one suggesting that they do things in stupid way, that they would prefer to make less money.


No, I'm the one reporting behavioral patterns of the last four front offices (since Liberty bought them.)

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