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Thursday, December 19, 2013

Braves trade for Twins C Doumit

After a season of having three catchers at manager Fredi Gonzalez’s disposal, the Braves have decided they want to do it again. The team traded for veteran catcher Ryan Doumit, sending minor leaguer pitcher and former first round draft pick Sean Gilmartin to the Minnesota Twins.

Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 19, 2013 at 09:27 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: December 19, 2013 at 10:23 AM (#4620802)
Ok, so who splits time with Mauer at 1b for the Twins?
   2. Sweatpants Posted: December 19, 2013 at 10:32 AM (#4620813)
If I recall correctly, that pitch-framing study from a few years back pegged Doumit as the worst in the majors by a comfortable margin.

How is he in the outfield? He might end up playing some games there if B. Upton is terrible again. Keep in mind that the qualifications for playing left field better than Evan Gattis, who ended up being last year's contingency plan, are having four working limbs and owning a baseball glove.
   3. Bote Man makes baseball fun again Posted: December 19, 2013 at 10:36 AM (#4620818)
My biggest concern is whether he can fill the shoes of McCann in the "playing the Right Way" department. The Barves have a huge void there.
   4. Rickey! met her in a hotel lobby... Posted: December 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM (#4620826)
How is he in the outfield? He might end up playing some games there if B. Upton is terrible again. Keep in mind that the qualifications for playing left field better than Evan Gattis, who ended up being last year's contingency plan, are having four working limbs and owning a baseball glove.


Doumit does two things for the Braves. First, as mentioned here, he gives Gonzalez the option of flipping Justin Upton to RF and playing Heyward in CF if Bossman sucks it up again. He's BJ Upton insurance for the lineup. He also allows Gonzalez to use Gattis or Laird as a PH more freely on the days they're not starting behind the dish.

At a deeper level, having three catchers at the ML level give Christian Bethancourt another year to develop at AAA, or makes him expendable as part of a trade if Tampa or Chicago decide to be less insane about their demands for starters.
   5. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 19, 2013 at 10:57 AM (#4620838)
How is he in the outfield?


Defensively, he's kind of lousy everywhere. Good effort, just marginal execution.

When he was with the Pirates, he tended to get hurt whenever he did anything other than catch. That may or may not still be true.
   6. Bitter Mouse, Space Tyrant Posted: December 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4620844)
I have nothing against the man, but my reaction was the cliche, great who did we get? *

The Twins had no use for dude who can't catch**, because they have plenty of 1B/DH/OF players on the team or showing up soon, and some are marginal but so is Doumit.

* Seriously, anyone have any information on who they got?

** Whether he can catch is one I guess arguable, but it was pretty obvious here in MN that they had decided he couldn't catch and were not going to use him as a C going forward other than as an emergency and so his value to the Twins was low.
   7. DL from MN Posted: December 19, 2013 at 11:08 AM (#4620852)
Gilmartin is a LHP who resembles Scott Diamond - 89MPH fastball, decent offspeed stuff, low strikeout rate.
   8. Rickey! met her in a hotel lobby... Posted: December 19, 2013 at 11:09 AM (#4620853)
They got Sean Gilmartin. Former first round pick. Was a pitching prospect but got passed over by three or four other guys. Had a bum shoulder and a bad couple of years. Some upside, but was never breaking into Atlanta's rotation.
   9. CFBF Fled Across The Desert Posted: December 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM (#4620855)
* Seriously, anyone have any information on who they got?


Sean Gilmartin. A pretty standard crafty lefty type. Was the Braves' first-round pick out of FSU a couple years ago in what was almost certainly a reach of a choice. Had solid numbers in 2012 at AA, his first full minor league season, but got absolutely pounded last year at AAA (5.74 ERA, 65 strikeouts in 91 innings, 112 hits and 12 home runs). Might be a reasonable back of the rotation guy or relief pitcher or might not.
   10. zonk Posted: December 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM (#4620866)
Doumit - at a decent price (and 3.5 mil seems a decent price) where you're not really counting on him to start anywhere - seems like a pretty valuable guy to have around.

He's not LeCroy bad behind the plate and he can also play (sure, badly) 1B/LF/RF. He can hit well enough that you'd count yourself fortunate to have him as a backup and bat off the bench at all 4 spots.

I love "catchers" who hit well enough that they're worth carrying as a bat all by themselves... In PC sims and roto leagues - I love having guys like Doumit around to plug into various positions, and I likewise agree that having "3 catchers" -- but instances where one of the 3 is more of a CI/LF/RF/PH type, providing MORE flexibility rather than existing a flex hindrance is a great thing.

This is something I always thought 4A guys limited to 1B/3B/corner spots would have been wise to do -- though, I guess it never really helped Alan Zinter have much of a big league career.... but - if you can function as a true 3rd catcher, to me - your value as a utility player gets a huge bump.
   11. Bitter Mouse, Space Tyrant Posted: December 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM (#4620872)
Seriously though, who did they get?


I kid, thanks for the information on Gilmartin. Looks like a Twins pitcher all the way (which means I guess he doesn't walk many either).
   12. spycake Posted: December 19, 2013 at 01:42 PM (#4620993)
   13. I Am Not a Number Posted: December 19, 2013 at 02:14 PM (#4621031)
Ok, so who splits time with Mauer at 1b for the Twins?

Isn't Mauer becoming a full time first baseman?
   14. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: December 19, 2013 at 02:27 PM (#4621052)
Glad we got something for him--he really didn't have a role on the 2014 Twins.

Gilmartin frequently became an all-star in my OOTP simulations, so I had to do a double-take when I heard that was the return! I'd be surprised if he even becomes a 5th starter, but you really never know with this type (crafty southpaw) of pitcher.

Braves fans, you do *not* want to see him play the outfield. He plays the outfield the way you'd expect a slow catcher to play the outfield. However, it's not a lack of effort: He's a fan-favorite type who plays hard and never dogs it (even while playing so many meaningless games for the Twins over the last two years). Just from that, I'd say he seems like he'll fit in well with Atlanta's clubhouse.

Sounds like the Twins will go with a Josmil Pinto/Chris Herrmann platoon at catcher next year. Might as well see if one of them can have a role on their 2015 team.
   15. Bitter Mouse, Space Tyrant Posted: December 19, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4621065)
Isn't Mauer becoming a full time first baseman?


Yes. And they have a bunch of so so bats that can play the 1b/of/dh slots and a bunch more coming along. Catcher, MI, and 3b (unless Sano sticks) are the issues. Well that and pitching. So very much pitching. So any pitcher coming our way is good if there is any chance he develops.
   16. Rickey! met her in a hotel lobby... Posted: December 19, 2013 at 02:45 PM (#4621077)
Braves fans, you do *not* want to see him play the outfield. He plays the outfield the way you'd expect a slow catcher to play the outfield. However, it's not a lack of effort: He's a fan-favorite type who plays hard and never dogs it (even while playing so many meaningless games for the Twins over the last two years). Just from that, I'd say he seems like he'll fit in well with Atlanta's clubhouse.


2013 - Evan Gattis/Justin Upton
2012 - Martin Prado
2011 - Martin Prado
2010 - Melky Cabrera*
2009 - Garrett Anderson

*before the PEDs, but after the Big Macs

Braves fans are somewhat accustomed to terrible defense in LF. Only the Martin Prado years provided anything resembling moderately decent defense out there. Doumit will only play OF regularly if BJ Upton has another lost year. Otherwise he's LH PH option, while allowing Fredi to use Gattis or Laird as RH PH options when they're not starting.
   17. RMc (full name TBA) Posted: December 19, 2013 at 08:07 PM (#4621363)
Twins C Doumit

That's a funny name.
   18. Gaylord Perry the Platypus (oi!) Posted: December 19, 2013 at 10:38 PM (#4621432)
Other LF I can recall seeing in Atlanta:
Jeff Burroughs
Ryan Klesko
Ron Gant

It's been pretty ugly out there over the past 35 years.
   19. CFBF Fled Across The Desert Posted: December 19, 2013 at 10:44 PM (#4621434)
And Chipper spent a couple years out there as well.
   20. Walt Davis Posted: December 20, 2013 at 03:44 PM (#4621879)
and rico carty and sarge. I am starting to wonder if a flyball to left in Atlanta has been caught since 1964
   21. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: December 20, 2013 at 03:51 PM (#4621883)
He makes up for his defensive shortcomings by having great taste in walk-up music (Danzig's "Mother.")
   22. BDC Posted: December 20, 2013 at 03:52 PM (#4621884)
When Lonnie Smith is the best defender in any bunch, that's quite a bunch.

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