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Wednesday, June 26, 2019

Braves turn double play without ball in play | MLB.com

Some bad baserunning on this play.

 

Jim Furtado Posted: June 26, 2019 at 08:16 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. oscar madisox Posted: June 26, 2019 at 08:53 AM (#5855952)
How uncommon is turning two without a ball in play?

Strike-out-caught-stealing DP's aren't that rare, I imagine happening several times a year
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: June 26, 2019 at 08:57 AM (#5855953)
How uncommon is turning two without a ball in play?


Not that uncommon.

Turning two without retiring the batter, as happened here, would be a less-frequent event.

   3. bfan Posted: June 26, 2019 at 09:37 AM (#5855962)
So Baez thought it was an absolute squeeze, instead of maybe a safety squeeze? Does a safety squeeze with a force in play (the bases were loaded) make any sense?
   4. PreservedFish Posted: June 26, 2019 at 09:54 AM (#5855967)
More likely that Baez was just doing what Baez does. Often it magically induces the defense to make mistakes, but not this time.
   5. Rusty Priske Posted: June 26, 2019 at 10:04 AM (#5855975)
How did they not challenge that! He was clearly safe at 3rd.
   6. bunyon Posted: June 26, 2019 at 10:07 AM (#5855978)
He was but this is another reason I don't like nitpicky replay. He SHOULD have been out. Idiotic baserunning deserves to be punished. I've always sort of liked "close play goes to the least stupid" line most umps have taken over time.
   7. John M. Perkins Posted: June 26, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5855989)
Not so clear; right hand safe, tag placed, right hand off, tag still on, left hand late, call made.
   8. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 26, 2019 at 10:45 AM (#5855990)
Double TOOTBLAN. Is there a more formal title for that?

There were no balls put in play the entire inning - one strikeout, 3 walks, and whatever the #### this was.
   9. wjones Posted: June 26, 2019 at 11:49 AM (#5856014)
How did they not challenge that! He was clearly safe at 3rd.

It was Contreras. Guess the ump decided he didn't need to get away with acting like a damn fool two nights in a row.
   10. Itchy Row Posted: June 26, 2019 at 11:58 AM (#5856018)
Double TOOTBLAN. Is there a more formal title for that?
TOOTBLACON- Thrown Out On The Basepaths Like A Couple Of Nincompoops.
   11. michaelplank has knowledgeable eyes Posted: June 26, 2019 at 12:32 PM (#5856046)
I was on a men's league team once that turned a triple play on a missed bunt attempt, 2-6-3-2, but that was bad amateur baseball and stuff almost as bad as that happened all the time.
   12. bfan Posted: June 26, 2019 at 12:32 PM (#5856048)
He SHOULD have been out. Idiotic baserunning deserves to be punished


But they guy who got thrown out was not being idiotic. Baez should have been a nano-second longer in the run-down (as he could have tried to do), and then person going to third, instead of being out or safe by mere inches, would have been safe without a throw.

Baez made the 2 mistakes-his wandering off of third (if indeed that was his mistake; the pitcher could have missed a suicide squeeze), but then not staying in the run-down long enough to allow his teammate to take third (Baez could have turned toward home and made Donaldson chase him for a few more feet).
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: June 26, 2019 at 12:49 PM (#5856055)
Baez made the 2 mistakes-his wandering off of third (if indeed that was his mistake; the pitcher could have missed a suicide squeeze), but then not staying in the run-down long enough to allow his teammate to take third (Baez could have turned toward home and made Donaldson chase him for a few more feet).


In one sense, you're correct that Baez could have dragged it out a little longer. On the other hand, Contreras took an awfully long time to break for third. If he'd gone as soon as it became apparent a rundown was coming, he'd have been safe easily. Also, if he simply stayed put given Baez was going to be the second out, that would have worked too.

But all of this highlights the problem you brought up earlier. This is a very difficult spot for a safety squeeze. There's a force at the plate, and the pitcher is squaring early. If you're Baez, you almost have to cheat a little to improve your chances of scoring if the bunt is put down, but it leaves you vulnerable to the pickoff (I'd have to assume it was the safety squeeze. If it was a suicide, Contreras should have also been breaking for third much earlier.

   14. Karl from NY Posted: June 26, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5856103)
From the headline, I thought it was somehow two outs during a situation where the ball is dead and not in play at all, like two baserunners each passed another during a HBP or something like that.
   15. Hank White Posted: June 26, 2019 at 02:42 PM (#5856108)
As #4 noted, I was at the game and got the very distinct feeling that Baez was trying to bait the catcher to throw to third.
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: June 26, 2019 at 02:44 PM (#5856111)

As #4 noted, I was at the game and got the very distinct feeling that Baez was trying to bait the catcher to throw to third.


Mission accomplished then.
   17. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 26, 2019 at 02:52 PM (#5856116)
If it was a suicide squeeze, Baez would have been 2/3 of the way to the plate when the ball arrived.

I agree with Hank and others, Javy was trying to bait the throw and do El Mago stuff. Didn't work out this time.
   18. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 26, 2019 at 07:25 PM (#5856223)
On September 2, 2006, the Mariners managed to run into a triple play without putting the ball in play. With Adrian Beltre on first, and Jose Lopez on third, Raul Ibanez struck out looking. Beltre got caught stealing at second on the pitch, and Lopez tried to score from third and was thrown out on the return throw to home. This is the only time a 2-6-2 triple play has been turned.
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: June 26, 2019 at 11:18 PM (#5856263)
I don't get how you don't challenge that play... the Cubs have routinely been both the best team in baseball at avoiding tags, and at making tags over the past three seasons.... that it should almost be assumed that they are going to get ripped off on calls. Heck the quick 15 second review would have shown that he was clearly safe.. it wasn't really that tough of a call.
   20. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 26, 2019 at 11:37 PM (#5856266)
I don't get how you don't challenge that play


And there in lies the biggest issue with the challenge replay system in place. There should just be a video ump somewhere who would've looked at that in the 30 seconds just after the play happened, notified the plate ump at the ground that the call was wrong and overturned it right then and there. None of this challenge rubbish needed. If the call is wrong, overturn it, simple as that.

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