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Braves will lose prospects, and possibly a lot more, for violating international market rules

Stinks having Rosenthal behind the pay wall.

Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred is still deciding the penalties the Atlanta Braves will receive for violating rules in the international market. Those penalties, however, will definitely include the loss of prospects the team signed out of Latin America, according to major-league sources.

Any players the Braves lose become free agents subject to international bonus pools, sources said. The procedure will be the same as it was for the five Latin American prospects that baseball took from the Boston Red Sox on July 1, 2016, for circumventing international rules—the players kept their initial signing bonuses, each of which was $300,000, then became eligible to sign with other clubs.

Manfred has yet to decide which players the Braves will forfeit, sources said. The biggest potential loss is shortstop Kevin Maitan, whom the Braves signed for $4.25 million on July 2, 2016. Maitan, 17, is the Braves’ No. 5 prospect according to MLBPipeline.com, a switch-hitter who has drawn comparisons to Chipper Jones, Miguel Cabrera, and Miguel Sano.

Jim Furtado Posted: November 16, 2017 at 06:08 AM | 57 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: November 16, 2017 at 06:39 AM (#5577076)
Surely Alex A would have been given some kind of knowledge about the incoming penalties before taking the job, no? In that event, I don't think the penalties will be unprecedented.
   2. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 16, 2017 at 07:14 AM (#5577080)
They should have to provide a disclaimer to every amateur player they make an offer to, outlining their history of dishonesty and malfeasance with the player signing to confirm they are aware of the team's history of bad-faith negotiation resulting in sanctions from the league. That should be plenty of punishment when considered on top of the prospects they will lose.
   3. bfan Posted: November 16, 2017 at 07:23 AM (#5577081)
They should have to provide a disclaimer to every amateur player they make an offer to, outlining their history of dishonesty and malfeasance with the player signing to confirm they are aware of the team's history of bad-faith negotiation resulting in sanctions from the league. That should be plenty of punishment when considered on top of the prospects they will lose.


That is pretty funny; you do know the signees benefit from this, don't you? To be accurate, the "disclaimer" ought to say "The bonus you receive may be retained by you no matter what, and any additional, secret payments by you may be retained by you as well. If they are caught making these secret payments, you get a new signing opportunity, and another opportunity at a signing bonus, which will be yours to retain as well
." Yeah, that will drive away the prospects.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 16, 2017 at 09:00 AM (#5577106)
Surely Alex A would have been given some kind of knowledge about the incoming penalties before taking the job, no? In that event, I don't think the penalties will be unprecedented.

Why? I've seen this posted before and it makes no sense. MLB has no particular interest in helping the Braves in hiring. And there are only 30 top jobs; he was going to take this one regardless.

If anything, stiff penalties lower expectations for hi and make his job easier.
   5. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: November 16, 2017 at 09:03 AM (#5577108)
Why?


Wouldn't the Braves have given it to him? Otherwise they would have a very hard time signing good FO talent going forward.
   6. PreservedFish Posted: November 16, 2017 at 09:14 AM (#5577114)
And there are only 30 top jobs; he was going to take this one regardless.


Agreed. And the Braves will still have a top system - the excerpt says the biggest one in play is their #5 guy - losing Maitan and a handful of others likely won't make a dramatic difference in the real ability for that system to create impact players.
   7. bigglou115 is not an Illuminati agent Posted: November 16, 2017 at 09:17 AM (#5577116)

Why? I've seen this posted before and it makes no sense. MLB has no particular interest in helping the Braves in hiring. And there are only 30 top jobs; he was going to take this one regardless.


Similar to the "why would MLB want to hamstring an important franchise?"

The Braves haven't been important for a while now. Certainly they aren't in a position looked LA was were the league would go out of their way to help them. The league has posted record revenue while the Braves struggled. They'll continue to do so while the braves struggle. The "health" of a 2nd tier franchise (and I say that as a braves fan) isn't even entering the equation.
   8. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 16, 2017 at 09:18 AM (#5577117)
Somebody gotta be the whipping boy for everybody else’s sins I guess.
   9. bigglou115 is not an Illuminati agent Posted: November 16, 2017 at 09:21 AM (#5577122)
losing Maitan and a handful of others likely won't make a dramatic difference in the real ability for that system to create impact players.


No, the fact that Atlanta has largely failed to target prospects who might become impact players will do that. There's an argument to be made that Acuna and Maitan are the only two impact position prospects on the farm. If Dansby doesn't come around then I think this closes the book on whether or not the braves can internally produce a viable position player corps. With prospect drop out on the others side I think the Braves are going to have to be very clever in the trade market to finish this rebuild with anything more than a pretty ok team that can't survive over Freeman leaves in a few years.
   10. jmurph Posted: November 16, 2017 at 09:28 AM (#5577133)
Somebody gotta be the whipping boy for everybody else’s sins I guess.

Oh lord, is this the argument now?
   11. bigglou115 is not an Illuminati agent Posted: November 16, 2017 at 09:37 AM (#5577139)

Oh lord, is this the argument now?


It will be until we know what happened. Right now the word of made verbal agreements before the signing period and maybe packaging players, maybe they paid for a rental house. I think these are probably things that happen so the time.

That argument though, is that the league should be punishing a lot of teams.

It sure looks like one of two things happened here. Either other executives breached a mutual nod to silence because they didn't like or GM, or the league has randomly chosen this point in time to make an example. If it's the latter then it's bad luck, if it's the former then it's pettiness. Didn't change the fact the Braves broke the rules, but it's certainly understandable to feel like the Braves lost on the first round of Russian roulette.
   12. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 16, 2017 at 09:51 AM (#5577149)
Oh lord, is this the argument now?


If you look at the alleged wrong doings that have been reported to date, you see a laundry list of things pretty much every team does down there, couched in harsh rhetoric like "unprecedented" and such. Until I see something reported that is, in fact, an unprecedented action, I'll defer to my base assumption that the real crime Coppalella and his team made in their shenanigans down south was being arrogant dicks to other teams' people in the process, thus creating enough enmity to create a well spring of people willing and able to "report the crimes." YMMV of course. But the fact of the matter is, every single South American or international prospect who signs a contract on July 2 - the first day they can be legally signed - has been illegally courted and wooed by the signing team. Ain't nobody negotiating that #### in 20 minutes the first day they're on the market.
   13. jmurph Posted: November 16, 2017 at 09:52 AM (#5577150)
All of that would make sense in a world where the Red Sox weren't just busted for violating international signing rules and punished by losing players. This all just happened like 18 months ago.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 16, 2017 at 10:01 AM (#5577155)
All of that would make sense in a world where the Red Sox weren't just busted for violating international signing rules and punished by losing players. This all just happened like 18 months ago.

Yeah. Given the Red Sox lost actual good players, there's no fricking way the Braves are not losing players.
   15. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 16, 2017 at 10:04 AM (#5577159)
If you look at the alleged wrong doings that have been reported to date, you see a laundry list of things pretty much every team does down there, couched in harsh rhetoric like "unprecedented" and such. Until I see something reported that is, in fact, an unprecedented action


How very RDP of you.
   16. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 16, 2017 at 10:05 AM (#5577160)
Yeah. Given the Red Sox lost actual good players, there's no fricking way the Braves are not losing players.


I'm not suggesting they're not going to lose players. I'm sure they will. Probably Kevin Maitan. I'm simply saying that I've yet to see anything listed in their crimes and misdemeanors that 29 other teams aren't doing to some extent or another. And while the "this is going to be harsher because they didn't take the hint from Boston getting fined earlier" point is valid, it's not the argument being made by the talking heads. "First offenders get harsher punishments for the same shenanigans because they didn't stop when the neighbors got caught" is a bit, um, odd, as a legal-ish doctrine. And regardless, it's not "unprecedented."

When someone shows me "unprecedented," I'll cop to it. Until then, my assumption is that Coppy was a jackass who made enemies and gave them enough powder to blow his #### up. I also fully believe this is driven by the Cardinals who were pissed to high heaven that Maitan rebuked their last minute offers and signed with Atlanta like expected.
   17. jmurph Posted: November 16, 2017 at 10:15 AM (#5577166)
"First offenders get harsher punishments for the same shenanigans because they didn't stop when the neighbors got caught" is a bit, um, odd, as a legal-ish doctrine.

"Don't do the thing we just punished another team for doing" seems pretty straight forward, honestly. And I'm not really seeing "harsher," but the same.
   18. PreservedFish Posted: November 16, 2017 at 10:17 AM (#5577169)
I'm simply saying that I've yet to see anything listed in their crimes and misdemeanors that 29 other teams aren't doing to some extent or another.


You're really just making stuff up here.
   19. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 16, 2017 at 10:29 AM (#5577180)
You're really just making stuff up here.


Oh, you sweet summer child.
   20. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 16, 2017 at 12:55 PM (#5577369)
Just heard a rumor of a rumor; to be clear, this is unsourced aside from stupid talk on the internet and "from a podcast;" but the *story* is that in the final weeks of the signing period for Maitan, other teams who were willing to ignore their spending thresholds and throw money at him to buy him out of his Braves commitment - that's almost certainly the Cardinals, who tried to do just that - couldn't locate him. Because, allegedly, the Braves had smuggled him and his family into Florida to live until after the deal was legal.

If that's true, it is in fact "unprecedented." And awesome. And the only problem I have with it is that they got caught. But yes; that would be "unprecedented" probably.
   21. PreservedFish Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:03 PM (#5577455)
Wait, did they smuggle his family to save the family from some danger? Or just to hide him from other teams?
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:06 PM (#5577459)
Wait, did they smuggle his family to save the family from some danger? Or just to hide him from other teams?

Guess.
   23. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:10 PM (#5577464)
Dude. It's a podcast generated internet rumor. I have no idea. But the phrase was such that they could have either smuggled him and his family north, or just him north to live with other members of "his family" in Florida. The intent, in all cases, would have been to keep him out of the sights of the Cards who were trying to poach him for their own against-the-rules recruitment. The clear takeaway from all of this is fcvk the Cards.
   24. madvillain Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:13 PM (#5577469)
Yea but if you're not smuggling prospects across the border and then hiding them in a safehouse from other teams are you REALLY TRYING?
   25. PreservedFish Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:16 PM (#5577474)
Rickey! you are putting on a show on this page.
   26. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:16 PM (#5577475)
Yea but if you're not smuggling prospects across the border and then hiding them in a safehouse from other teams are you REALLY TRYING?


Rubbin's racin', man.
   27. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:16 PM (#5577477)
Rickey! you are putting on a show on this page.


Tip your waitresses. I'll be here all week.
   28. jmurph Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:23 PM (#5577483)
Honestly I want "unprecendented" to turn into "Coppolella personally murdered rival buscones at the behest of Liberty Media" just to watch Rickey explain it all away.
   29. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:33 PM (#5577492)
You're confusing celebrating the taking the lawlessness of an inherently immoral system and turning it up to 11, because fcvk the Cards, with "explaining it all away."

If you want me to give a #### that other teams got screwed out of international free agents by the Braves ratfucking the system, end the indentured servitude system that exploits that labor for the benefit of billionaires. Otherwise? I think I've made my feelings on the Cards clear already.
   30. jmurph Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:35 PM (#5577496)
Yes yes, that's what you care about. Absolutely.
   31. PreservedFish Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:39 PM (#5577498)
Rickey: The Braves didn't do anything unusual, everyone does this ####.
Rickey: uh, I just heard the Braves might have done something highly unusual.
Rickey: I think the Braves needed to do it because otherwise the Cardinals would have broken the rules.
   32. jmurph Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:40 PM (#5577499)
Rickey: You're familiar with the underground railroad? Veeerrrry similar set-up, is what I'm hearing.
   33. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:42 PM (#5577501)
Dude. You understand that concern-trolling me when I'm 100% open and forthright in my positions is redundant and pointless, right?

I am "concerned" about the Braves returning to winning championships. I don't give a single percentage point of a fcvk if they screw over other franchises to do that. I have no doubt other franchises would do the same if they thought they could get away with it. No great moral or ethical question hinges on whether or not my favorite baseball team skirted the rules for talent acquisition. Or, perhaps, set them on fire and burned down a trailer park of children to cover it up.

If we are going to discuss actual moral issues, then my "concern" would be eliminating the indentured servant markets that drastically underpay labor for the benefit of management, by way of "drafts." Both domestic and international. Of interest, my concern in this actual *moral* question would be at odds with my concern with mere baseball, as going to a free agent market for all "draft" talent would actually hurt my team at the expense of more wealthy buyers. But that would be a good thing for, you know, the human beings who play baseball for a living. You give, you get.

Outside of that? Fcvk the Cards.
   34. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:43 PM (#5577502)
Rickey: The Braves didn't do anything unusual, everyone does this ####.
Rickey: uh, I just heard the Braves might have done something highly unusual.
Rickey: I think the Braves needed to do it because otherwise the Cardinals would have broken the rules.


That third bit is nothing at all near what I've written. You should perhaps take a refresher course in reading comprehension.
   35. jmurph Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:50 PM (#5577511)
Dude. You understand that concern-trolling me when I'm 100% open and forthright in my positions is redundant and pointless, right?

Not concern-trolling, just mocking. Because you pointedly were not making those arguments, instead it was A. people are being unfair to the Braves (#8) and B. everyone does it (#12, #16) and then you pivoted to some kind of moralizing nonsense. If you were actually just saying "don't care what they did, I just want wins," that's at least an ethos, but no, you have to first pretend you care about several other things and it's tiring so yeah, you were being mocked. I'm sure we'll all recover and live to post in another thread.
   36. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:52 PM (#5577513)
And the only problem I have with it is that they got caught.

That does seem quite clear.
   37. PreservedFish Posted: November 16, 2017 at 02:55 PM (#5577514)
That third bit is nothing at all near what I've written. You should perhaps take a refresher course in reading comprehension.


Ok. You said that ... the Braves did it because otherwise the Cardinals would have broken the rules. I apologize for assuming that you said it was justified. I don't know where I got that idea - perhaps the part where you said that the smuggling was awesome and the only issue is that they got caught? - but yes, if you can recommend a reading comprehension course, perhaps it's time for a refresher.
   38. JJ1986 Posted: November 16, 2017 at 03:00 PM (#5577518)
I'm simply saying that I've yet to see anything listed in their crimes and misdemeanors that 29 other teams aren't doing to some extent or another.
I don't think the Orioles have ever bothered to cheat the international signing rules.
   39. wjones Posted: November 16, 2017 at 03:56 PM (#5577579)
I don't think the Orioles have ever bothered to cheat the international signing rules.

Yeah, I think the proper thing to add to any of these assertions is the phrase "...except for the Orioles." Sam just forgot to add it that time.
   40. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 16, 2017 at 04:04 PM (#5577581)
Because you pointedly were not making those arguments, instead it was A. people are being unfair to the Braves (#8) and B. everyone does it (#12, #16) and then you pivoted to some kind of moralizing nonsense.


Actually, what I said was "I've not seen anything 'unprecedented' reported to date, and until I do, I'll assume it's not, because everyone does it." THEN I brought up that I had just heard some rumors of something that would be 'unprecedented,' and as I said I would, I copped to that. I also was clearly amused at the alleged audacity of the proported unprecedented things.

Smuggling prospects into the US to hide them from other teams *is* unprecedented. And hilarious. That in no way means the "wild west" of international free agency isn't in fact a chaotic #### show where every team stretches and bends the rules, at best, and ignores them when they think they can, all in service of keeping international free agents from making the money they would actually deserve on a free market.
   41. PreservedFish Posted: November 16, 2017 at 04:08 PM (#5577585)

Smuggling prospects into the US to hide them from other teams *is* unprecedented. And hilarious.


Agreed.
   42. Bug Selig Posted: November 16, 2017 at 08:32 PM (#5577741)
all in service of keeping international free agents from making the money they would actually deserve on a free market.
Keep in mind that his knights on white horses were holding a child in a safe house to protect him from the horrors of someone else from offering him more money (if the "transportation of a child across international borders for the purpose of hiding him from John Mozeliak" rumors are true.)
   43. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 17, 2017 at 09:53 AM (#5577914)
Keep in mind that his knights on white horses were holding a child in a safe house to protect him from the horrors of someone else from offering him more money (if the "transportation of a child across international borders for the purpose of hiding him from John Mozeliak" rumors are true.)


A youngster needs guidance and supervision as he learns to become a man. They were simply providing moral teachings in the need to abide by your word and commitments. #### the Cardinals.
   44. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM (#5578003)
John Hart: goner.
   45. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 17, 2017 at 02:25 PM (#5578130)
John Hart: goner.


At this point the only tie this team has to the dynastic teams of the 90's is the very tangential relationship John Schuerholz maintains as President (of Real Estate Transactions.)
   46. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 17, 2017 at 03:03 PM (#5578160)
A youngster needs guidance and supervision as he learns to become a man.


That's the sort of baloney excuse that gets you transferred to a new dioceses.
   47. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 17, 2017 at 03:12 PM (#5578172)
That's the sort of baloney excuse that gets you transferred to a new dioceses.


Is Penn State hiring?
   48. Armored Trooper VOTTO Posted: November 18, 2017 at 01:30 AM (#5578308)
I don't think the Orioles have ever bothered to cheat the international signing rules.


They did manage to get their scouts banned from Korea a few years ago for trying to poach a high school student before the KBO draft. Probably wrecked the kid's career too--MLB voided the contract, the KBO banned him from Korean baseball, and no American teams (Os included) tried to sign him after that. (I seem to recall the industry consensus was that he wasn't much of a prospect and the Os had overpaid in the first place.)
   49. jmurph Posted: November 21, 2017 at 02:55 PM (#5579596)
They're apparently losing 4 prospects (and counting?), including Maitan. Updating link to MLB Trade Rumors.
   50. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 21, 2017 at 03:31 PM (#5579641)
From the updating link in #49:
Twelve total players are expected to be removed from the Braves system, according to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports. He also further details a litany of other penalties.

Broadly, the Braves will be restricted in their international rights over the 2019-20 (especially) and 2020-21 signing periods, per the report. Atlanta has been docked a third-round pick in next summer’s draft for improprieties in pursuing a drafted player, Passan adds. Also, the Braves had evidently worked out an arrangement young shortstop Robert Puason, who’s just 14 years of age, but will lose the chance to sign him.

That's apparently based on leaks before the public announcement, so there could be more.
   51. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: November 21, 2017 at 03:42 PM (#5579645)
According to Passan:
Between the signing bonuses and penalties for exceeding their bonus pool, the Braves will have paid well over $20 million to players who no longer are part of their organization.

Looks like they are going to be losing a bunch of big bonus players.
   52. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 21, 2017 at 03:45 PM (#5579648)
#### the Cardinals.
   53. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 21, 2017 at 03:48 PM (#5579650)
More detail from Jeff Passan

Nine players from the Braves’ 2015-16 signing class, the majority of whom received bonuses in excess of $1 million, will be declared free agents, as will three players from the most recent class. Atlanta also will lose a draft pick next June for trying to induce a player this year with off-the-books perks, sources told Yahoo Sports.
   54. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 21, 2017 at 03:54 PM (#5579656)
Most notably, perhaps, the Braves will lose their rights to highly regarded prospect Kevin Maitan, as Jon Heyman of Fan Rag first reported (via Twitter) and as earlier reporting suggested. A long list of others are also being stripped from the organization, as Ben Badler of Baseball America reported earlier. Backstop Abrahan Gutierrez, shortstop Yunior Severino, righty Juan Contreras, shortstop Livan Soto and righty Yefri del Rosario are also heading on to the open market, according to the Baseball America report. As Badler explains, all of these players are considered significant talents and important pieces of the Atlanta farm system. Most of the lost prospects, it seems, were members of the club’s vaunted 2015-16 July 2 class. Another big name from that class, Korean shortstop Jihwan Bae, is also being taken from the team, per Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports.


Some actual names from MLBTR
   55. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:04 PM (#5579663)
Seems like "unprecedented violations" was pretty accurate. Given the scope of that effort, Coppolella can't have acted alone, but no indication so far that scouts & player development staff will be punished. "Just following orders", eh?
   56. jmurph Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:24 PM (#5579689)
New thread, for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.
   57. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: November 21, 2017 at 04:53 PM (#5579740)
Nothing unprecedented. They just did it two years running.

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