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1. Win one for Agrippa (haplo53) Posted: June 29, 2009 at 10:33 PM (#3237085)The Mets have certainly lost the benefit of the doubt in these matters.
What do they have worth selling that they'd want to sell? Delgado is hurt, Sheffield won't draw too much interest, Wright, Reyes, Beltran, K-Rod, and Santana aren't going anywhere, and no one wants the Castillo contract.
I suppose there might be someone out there who might want Hernandez, but that's about it. It's a stars & scrubs roster.
fxd
Both of those facts are too damn funny.
Maybe Church.
Even HE was cursed.
The Mariners wish we kept Chavez as well.
Endy Chavez could miss part of 2010 as well with severe ACL and MCL damage.
How athletic did Greg Oden look to you this season?
These are but very few of the long, long list of problems that can be blamed on Yuniesky Betancourt.
His 2007 season was just as good as before he was injured. It did take him a while to get back though.
Delgado's up at the end of the season, right? If Beltran's knee is never the same, maybe they can get his bat in the lineup at 1B. I've been impressed with Nando's defense in the few games I saw, I didn't think his reputation was much for D.
Doing what? Sitting on the bench? Yanks OF and DH spots are full even without considering getting some DH time for Posada.
Is he ready to hit in the majors?
Yeah, because this ended so well the last time.
Why would the Yankees want another guy who can't field a position? They already have Matsui as 70% of the DH.
They need a RH bat that kills lefties (performance against RHP is basically irrelevent) and can play one or more of RF, LF, 3B, SS or C. OF will obviously be far easier to find. That would let them rotate some combination of Damon/Posada/ARod/Jeter through DH against lefties.
Mark DeRosa would have been pretty much perfect. I don't know why they weren't in on him. They have a ton of live arms to offer.
As a Red Sox fan, I wholly support this...
I'm not really a huge fan of the guy, but Shelley Duncan pretty much fits in that role. And he's hanging around Scranton, waiting for the call.
I don't think he can field any position adequately. They can't carry 2 DH's.
I wouldn't want him starting on a regular basis, but Duncan could probably fake left or right for a game or two here or there.
I hate to belabor my point, but athleticism =/= statistical output. What I see when I see Amare Stoudemire is a far more mature player than the player who put up monster stats in 2005. Still very athletic, mind you, but not quite what he once was. I'm very impressed that he has come as far as he has.
I'm amazed that Amare turns 27 next season. I thought he was much, much younger since he'd gone from HS to the pros, but I do vaguely recall hearing that he'd been old for a rookie.
You'll probably land on John Maine.
If the Mets aren't transporting Wright in a Popemobile by now, I don't know what they're thinking.
Bill Hall would have fit that description before this year. The Yankees can have him if they want him.
As far as the lefty killer thing, there was a nice thread years back that said that there is pretty much a league wide platoon split, and that any lefty killer will eventually regress there. It's still a small sample size this year for Hall, but he certainly has regressed.
I haven't seen him enough to judge, but it could also be getting older. A lot of players can't jump as well when they are 27, compared to when they are 22. (Actually they can, but the landing is harder and they don't want to)
Again, you are probably right, it might have taken something away.
If you can promise it's Castillo I'll do it.
Wait till he's standing next to Murphy.
At least Juan Guttierez is working out as the other "throw-in guy" in the Valverde trade.
I'd still have liked to have Callaspo back, however, and his 108 OPS+
Well, yeah, being a bat off the bench. Had Nady been able to return, that was pretty much going to be his job description, barring a collapse by Swisher.
I believe the generally accepted timetable for NBA players is 75-85% after one year, 100% two years after the surgery. And a sizable increase in the risk to the other knee if play is resumed too early. Too much stress on the non-injured knee from having to carry >50% of the load.
No clue how that holds up for a MLB player.
You'll die when he drops you.
He still won't suck quite as much as Chris Young. How's Brandon Webb doing, by the way?
Keep wishing, levski...
Are we to find out that Citifield is actually built on the site of an ancient Native American burial ground? Which also happens to be radioactive?
Whom did we piss off? And how?
Gary Carter.
You didn't name the stadium after him.
Worse. It's in Queens.
I certainly am not willing to write off Daniel Murphy yet. Dunno what the timeframe was on Sam's bet.
Every parking lot in Queens is cursed.
Well, he probably needed another year in the minors. Remember the first week of the season, when Sam said it was a mistake to give Sheff any ABs over Murphy? I actually bought that for half a minute. Man, that first week of April was awesome, so full of hope and joy, when we thought 40% of the rotation sucking would be the team's biggest hurdle in 2009...
Those were the days. I never really bought it, but at least you could make the argument.
Man, Sam really will never live Murphy down, will he?
This was from May 11.
Now, at the time Sheff was hitting 186/364/349 compared to Murphy at 298/364/457, but probably the bigger problem was declaring victory on Murphy so early in the season.
Edit- Sam clearly put the jinx the two guys. Murphy has hit 205/275/291 in 133 PA since then. Sheff 325/414/579 in 145 PA since then. Luckily for Sam, Jerry has done plenty of other dumb things.
As for Beltran, I'm hoping for the best. To not see him in his graceful form would devastate me. He was/is an absolute pleasure to watch patrolling CF for the Mets these last few years.
Are you basing that off the 151 PAs in 2008? Because, he has a .796 OPS in 1078 minor-league PAs, and he wasn't young at any level.
I mean, that doesn't say he couldn't develop into a decent or even good MLB hitter (depending on his position). But it's a pretty good indication he didn't have the bat to carry 1B.
On offense, right? Because he's nowhere near Doug on defense. Murphy is a great bench player. That's it.
I'm not down on FMart at all. He could go hitless for the rest of the year, and I'd still think he's a great prospect.
1. He's hitting
2. His track provides Jerry sufficient cover should anyone question Gary playing regularly when and if Gary cools off. "He's been in this game 20 years and blah, blah, blah"
3. Being a veteran player he is FAR better equipped to cope. Gary may not LOOK like he copes with the world around him. But clearly he has learned to make some accomodations as context changes
Daniel isn't hitting. He has no real track record. He's playing regularly and then it's several games with 1 plate appearance. That type of approach is difficult for a younger player working to really establish himself.
And since the defense is a wash, which is a pretty d*mning indictment of Murphy's defense I must say, Jerry has no CHOICE but to play Gary. Sheffield is arguably the team's best offensive player at this point on a per PA basis. He leads in the team in homers in 200 plate appearances.
And based on last night if you throw him a cheesy 88 mph fastball up around his shoulders he will it 440 feet.
Daniel won't EVER be able to do that.
Murphy's defense is worse than Sheff's. Manuel stated that he'll never play Murphy out there again. Which makes Daniel a first baseman who won't ever hit enough for the position.
Agreed. If the Mets had more depth the best thing for Murphy would be some more time at AAA, call him back up when he gets hot. But that's not 2009 for the Mets or for Murphy.
Is it wrong to say that despite his numbers, I don't consider Martinez's stint a failure? There's a lot to like about the ways he has carried himself. And I don't think this is killing him mentally b/c the organization is giving him a pass on how he performs in the majors this year. There's just a lot of ways to get out a 20 year-old hitter- he's facing lefty specialists and seeing carefully crafted and honed pitch sequences. Some people were ready to give up on Justin Upton in mid-April (when he was at .167/.222/.250), even advocating playing Byrnes ahead of him, and now he's hitting .318/.399/.580...
David Wright spend his age 20 season in High A, same for Manny Ramirez (who came up at age 21, and put up numbers like F-Mart). So long as this isn't affecting Martinez mentally, or screwing his swing/approach/what have you, it's fine to call it not a failure.
It's such a small viewing I was erring on the side of being nice.
Didn't know he buried the needle on the Reimer Scale
Not at all; I totally agree with you. I like that he hasn't struck out a ton (a la Alex Escobar in 2001) and seems to have a kernel of a clue.
The thing is, Martinez isn't really struggling. In 91 PA he has 13 Ks and 5 BB. The walks are on the low side, but the strikeouts aren't excessive. On the down side, his BABIP is .217 and his ISO is .073. I think he needs more ML time to get acclimated to the setting, since he seems to be hitting the ball weakly when he makes contact. Although his opposite field double Sunday night would have probably been out of the park in many stadiums.
he has a 24/23 k/bb ratio in 240 PAs
that's actually quite good.
IF he had a league average BABIP he'd be at .300/.360/.420 and Sam would hold a 5 point lead on his bet with MHS...
unfortunately he does not have a league average BABIP and his on contact numbers suck.
BTW Carp is up in Seattle
personally I think that Carp/Murphy and Evans should have been relatively easy to project as amongst each other (as hitters)
1: Carp
2: Evans
3: Murphy
Basically, Murphy had an unsustainable BABIP spike in his first 200 or so PAs...
My guess is that he's better than his YTD numbers- his CAREER to date is probably fairly accurate insofar as his ability
so basically a 95-100 OPS+ guy with no defensive position
so basically a 95-100 OPS+ guy with no defensive position
That sounds about right to me.
That's good news, even as a Yankee fan. It's bad for baseball to lose top flight talent like Beltran.
That could be good news.
He could now play RF for the Braves!
Yup. They should really give him a full off-season and year at AAA to try and learn 2B, along with personal tutoring from whomever they think is the best 2B-defense guru around.
Just looking at stats, Murphy does profile as a "tweener". Good bat if he can play a premium-D position or add significant defensive value in the OF or at 1B. If he brings negative positional/defensive value, the bat just won't play.
Seems like they could have tried to develop him as a Mark DeRosa type of player. Ah well. The solid showing Murphy gave last year might prove to be his undoing. I hope not. He seems like a guy that's easy to root for.
I think it's hard to make than transition going up the defensive spectrum at the MLB level. I like him too, although Sam's ridiculous touting did sour me a little.
Is it really too late to give him an offseason and 2 months in AAA to try and learn 2B?
I meant in the minors.
Well being a Met fan I was rooting for Sam to be right....
now, WRT Ellsbury and the late great Kevin's ridiculous touting, I was praying he'd bust.
I'll take ten more agonizing heartbreak losses if it means that Beltran can recover fully.
The news made my day.
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