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1. Leroy Kincaid Posted: May 16, 2012 at 05:20 PM (#4133229)Is that the umpire's name?
Hopefully he grows up.
His power seems to have resurfaced...
To whom?
If I were an ump, I'd be sitting tonight.
If you were this particular ump, you should be forced to sit tonight.
Ahem.
Are you serious with this crap? Behavior challenging an umpire's call happens, at a minimum, 20-25 times in each MLB game.
I agree with this. Obviously he wasn't throwing the helmet AT the umpire, but his overall aggressive physical move was in the direction of the umpire, he was out of control, and intentional or not, if the result is hitting the umpire with an object, then it's still the same thing. He took overly aggressive action towards the ump, and it resulted in the ump getting struck.
I am surprised it was only 4 games. Should have been AT LEAST 10 games.
Then neither should umpires' calls as poor as Miller's. Start holding umpires accountable for their constant failures, and then, sure, we can tighten up more on the players.
There's a big difference between this and a manager going out after an ump makes a terrible call and saying "hey blue, are you sure you got that right? Maybe you can ask for some help on this one". The former is obviously inappropriate, but the latter should offend no one, not even the ump.
It happened in a Blue Jays game a few days ago.
The first pitch zipped inside on Bautista and it might have grazed him. The umpire said "Nope."
The very next pitch plunked Bautista on the back/side as he turned away from it.
The umpire did not give him first base! He either thought Bautista didn't make an attempt, or that it (some how) hit his bat!
Naturally, Bautista was livid, and so was the manager. He gestured for the umpire to ask for help on the call, since he obviously ###### up.
The home plate umpire then called in the other umpires, and very quickly reversed the decision.
Though it's a truly bizarre system where a fellow ump who disagrees with the call can speak up only if asked to, while a player or manager can object all he wants.
I was going to point out that linesmen grab the refs attention all the time to point out something they may have missed...but then I remembered that I can't recall ever seeing a linesmen tell a ref he ###### up, and should reverse the penalty call.
All instances of the linesmen talking to the ref is when he feels that the ref has missed something (error of omission). It's never a case where the ref has made a mistake (error of commission).
You wouldn't. They communicate over earpieces these days.
I agree with all of this, and for that reason, I think the 4-game suspension's about right.
Christ, what a horseshite call that was on strike 3 (and the one on strike 2 wasn't much better).
Not strictly true. In the last Man City game, the linesman waved the ref over to communicate Barton's elbow.
I know Montréal has the finest bagels, but who has the finest muffins?
Based strictly on the number of coffee shops per capita, I'm going to guess St. Catherines, Ontario.
Suspension was too few games. He threw that helmet really hard, really close to the ump. If he had thrown it hard, but away from the ump, or had tossed it mildly at the ump's feet then 4 games or fewer is fine. Ballplayers can throw things much harder than you and I.
Not Amsterdam?
I guess appealing is routine these days, but they should be able to add suspension on to failed appeals, just so guys would sit out their games immediately once and awhile.
As for the ump, that last strike call was straight up crooked. It wasn't remotely a strike and was pretty clearly retaliation for Lawrie's display on the previous pitch. That should not be tolerated by MLB at all and the ump really should get sanctioned. Won't happen, of course.
He deserves SOME suspension to remind players to be more careful, but that's it.
And if he does anything like that again, I'm fine with the league slapping him with a 10-game suspension.
(And I say that as a Blue Jays fan.)
One of the announcers pointed out that Vizquel was only 150 or so hits away from 3000.
I figure at his current pace, that would take him until 2017.
It was a nice idea to bring him along, if he hit .250 and was a defensive/injury replacement that gets one start a week (somewhere on the infield).
But he's toast. Let him retire and become an infield coach.
Do we know for sure on this? I remember reading somewhere years ago (can't remember where) that umps sometimes get fined when they screw things up, but that such disciplinary action isn't made public. Anybody know if that's true or not?
Clearly, the ump botched this up royally. Moreover, this was deliberately provocative behavior by the ump of the type we haven't regularly seen since the heyday of Rich Garcia and his incompetent, fat-a$$ed, cantankerous ilk, most of whom were blessedly purged in the ump's strike attempt back about a decade ago.
Still doesn't excuse Lawrie's actions, though. Two wrongs and all that...
I know no one cares, but umps who screw up this badly will get their asses handed to them by various and sometimes multiple supervisory umpire figures. How this affects anything else, I don't quite recall, but I've actually overheard one or two of these phone calls as they were made by the supervisors and it wasn't pretty. With the emergence of MLBAM, I guarantee you that no shitty call goes unnoticed by the umpires in charge. Again, I've been out of Replay for awhile so I don't remember anything about consequences, however.
I'm not certain, though, that you can ever eliminate this sort of thing in umpiring, which is why I'm one of those annoying nerds that supports mechanized ball/strike calls. But I know that's going to be a long time coming.
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