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Saturday, March 17, 2012

Brewers’ Lucroy says teammates know more about Braun’s episode than public does

YOINK! Another well pulled Lucroydon facelift.

Brewers leftfielder Ryan Braun declined to talk to Tyler Kepner of The New York Times for Kepner’s Saturday column.

“That decision was a bit surprising from Braun, who has been one of baseball’s most engaging and accommodating stars,” Kepner wrote. His personality - if he chooses to use it - is probably his best tool in restoring his image, as it was for others who have tried to shake similar clouds.”

...Catcher Jonathan Lucroy told Kepner that “there was more to the situation than Braun has said publicly, and his explanation to teammates, Lucroy said, has been convincing.”

“I’m not going to get into the details, but if you knew what we knew, people would be like, ‘Wow,’ ” Lucroy said, adding that he understood why Braun has elaborated only in private. “You’ve got to do that because it’s his prerogative. It’s up to him, it’s his choice. And honestly, if some of the things came out, it would be a lot more negative than positive. There are reasons.”

Repoz Posted: March 17, 2012 at 03:14 PM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: March 17, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4083181)
Do people really find Braun engaging? He seems like an utter tool any time I hear him speak.
   2. McCoy Posted: March 17, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4083184)
explanation to teammates, Lucroy said, has been convincing.”
“I’m not going to get into the details, but if you knew what we knew, people would be like, ‘Wow,’ ” Lucroy said, adding that he understood why Braun has elaborated only in private. “You’ve got to do that because it’s his prerogative. It’s up to him, it’s his choice. And honestly, if some of the things came out, it would be a lot more negative than positive. There are reasons.”


So how many dead hookers does Ryan have in his closet, Lucroy?
   3. Squash Posted: March 17, 2012 at 05:23 PM (#4083245)
This will certainly help to calm everyone down in a sober and orderly manner.
   4. BWV 1129 Posted: March 17, 2012 at 05:35 PM (#4083253)
That comment certainly seems to be consistent with the STD rumors.
   5. Something Other Posted: March 17, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4083260)
With friends like this...

Damn.
   6. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 17, 2012 at 07:16 PM (#4083283)
There are reasons.


Ryan used to be Rene?
   7. I Am Not a Number Posted: March 17, 2012 at 07:28 PM (#4083291)
but if you knew what we knew, people would be like, ‘Wow,'

Lucroy is a 12-year old girl?
   8. Joe OBrien Posted: March 17, 2012 at 07:31 PM (#4083292)
This doesn't help Braun. If Lucroy kept quiet, Braun's supporters could go on pretending the test results "vindicated" him. This makes it sound like Braun's test was accurate, but there were extenuating circumstances.

Oh, who am I kidding? Braun's supporters will keep on talking about vindication, just like the Andy Pettitte apologists.
   9. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: March 17, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4083293)
Oh, who am I kidding? Braun's supporters will keep on talking about vindication...


Within minutes of the arbitrator's ruling, long before Braun or his supporters said a word, the Lupica's of the world were out with hundreds of "we all know he's really guilty" articles. Do we think that Braun and his agents, friends, etc simply should have let all that go?

So, yeah, who are you kidding?
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 17, 2012 at 08:07 PM (#4083307)
Herpes.
   11. McCoy Posted: March 17, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4083317)
I thought he played for the Dodgers.
   12. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: March 17, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4083326)
Do people really find Braun engaging? He seems like an utter tool any time I hear him speak.

He's sort of like a less doofusy Schmidt on New Girl--he's a tool, but he's our tool. Of course, I am a Brewers fan; I wouldn't be surprised if everyone else was on Bob Brenly's side.
   13. valuearbitrageur Posted: March 18, 2012 at 12:33 AM (#4083392)
This makes it sound like Braun's test was accurate, but there were extenuating circumstances.


or more obviously, more disturbing information about the collector.
   14. Tripon Posted: March 18, 2012 at 12:38 AM (#4083393)
I heard the collector did the pee dance after every sample was collected.
   15. Tuque Posted: March 18, 2012 at 01:55 AM (#4083397)
Yeah it was the herpes. Everything I hear about it makes it blatantly apparent that what Ryan Braun has is a massive case of embarrassing, crotch-destroying herpes, that he probably got in some unsavory way that could only come about by being a super-good-looking super-talented super-rich baseball player.
   16. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: March 18, 2012 at 02:25 AM (#4083401)
And honestly, if some of the things came out, it would be a lot more negative than positive. There are reasons.


He either posted on a blog that Nickelback has 6 decent songs or that Pearl Jam is unquestionably the best rock band of the last twenty years. Those are my guesses.
   17. SteveF Posted: March 18, 2012 at 03:02 AM (#4083407)
It could be worse. He could have posted that Pearl Jam has 6 decent songs and that Nickelback is unquestionably the best rock band of the last twenty years.
   18. Bhaakon Posted: March 18, 2012 at 05:54 AM (#4083420)
or more obviously, more disturbing information about the collector.


It's not really obvious why he'd have to keep that secret, unless it was a pack of slanderous lies that would expose him to a lawsuit if he ever spoke it publicly.
   19. Bote Man Posted: March 18, 2012 at 08:09 AM (#4083431)
he's a tool, but he's our tool

He's not MY tool. My tool does not have beady eyes.
   20. GotowarMissAgnes Posted: March 18, 2012 at 12:45 PM (#4083495)
Lucroy is a 12-year old girl?


You clearly have not spoken to a 12 year old girl in more than a decade.

like, if you, like, knew what, like, we knew, like, people would be like, ‘ZOMG, that is so like totes to the boats, un-be-effing-believeable, like'
   21. cardsfanboy Posted: March 18, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4083511)
like, if you, like, knew what, like, we knew, like, people would be like, ‘ZOMG, that is so like totes to the boats, un-be-effing-believeable, like'


If you think that is how a 12 year old girl sounds, then it's likely you haven't talked to one in 20 years either. Not saying I would be able to do a 12 year old impression either, but that sounds totally like a girl from the late 80's.
   22. madvillain Posted: March 18, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4083529)
like, if you, like, knew what, like, we knew, like, people would be like, ‘ZOMG, that is so like totes to the boats, un-be-effing-believeable, like'


If you think that is how a 12 year old girl sounds, then it's likely you haven't talked to one in 20 years either. Not saying I would be able to do a 12 year old impression either, but that sounds totally like a girl from the late 80's.


This is how 75% of white women born between 1980 and 2000 sound like if they are from the West Coast. I swear to god. It's been one of the real shocks of leaving the east coast, that people still actually talk like the 1980's "valley girl" caricature. It's not even just slowly dying out, but seemingly has become ingrained in the West Coast Way of being.

And guys? They are stoked to be alive, like totally stoked.
   23. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 18, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4083571)
"Yeah, no" is the new "like", just like "like" was the knew "you know".
   24. BWV 1129 Posted: March 18, 2012 at 03:10 PM (#4083592)
I grew up in The Valley. I lived the first 18 years of my life there, and I still go there when necessary.

I never once in my life have met someone who sounds like a stereotypical "Valley girl".
   25. yb125 Posted: March 18, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4083643)
This is how 75% of white women born between 1980 and 2000 sound like if they are from the West Coast.


No. It's not, I'm not sure what part of the West coast you were in but I was born in 83 and was pretty much surrounded by white classmates growing up and not a one talked like that. Also don't know guys who used stocked. I couple guys who used sweet a lot. California has pretty distinct talking patterns depending on the region. I swear folks from North Cal swear a lot of us in San Diego look at them funny when they talk. ( I mean whenever one of my suite-mates says "Holla at those boys" I do look at her like she nuts.)

   26. McCoy Posted: March 18, 2012 at 04:06 PM (#4083644)
Kids don't sound like valley girls but they definitely have a distinct patter which holds true for all young kids of every generation.
   27. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 18, 2012 at 06:24 PM (#4083740)
So which one of his teammates gave him the herp?
   28. valuearbitrageur Posted: March 18, 2012 at 07:03 PM (#4083777)
It's not really obvious why he'd have to keep that secret, unless it was a pack of slanderous lies that would expose him to a lawsuit if he ever spoke it publicly.


What's the point of that? Braun already won.

If Braun's team hired an investigator that found the collector was up to his eyeballs in gambling debt, and once in a bar had drunkenly boasted he would be out of debt soon because he was being paid to ruin a players career, why should Braun speak about it publicly? So he can go to court and pay hundreds of thousands in legal fees to see if the investigators sources are willing to testify against the collector, and pay the collectors millions if they aren't?

Even if Braun had evidence that made him 99% sure the collector did something really bad, it would be moronic to publicly assert even well founded accusations against the collector.
   29. Bhaakon Posted: March 19, 2012 at 01:06 AM (#4084006)
If Braun's team hired an investigator that found the collector was up to his eyeballs in gambling debt, and once in a bar had drunkenly boasted he would be out of debt soon because he was being paid to ruin a players career, why should Braun speak about it publicly? So he can go to court and pay hundreds of thousands in legal fees to see if the investigators sources are willing to testify against the collector, and pay the collectors millions if they aren't?


If he gathered evidence that effect which was strong enough to present the arbiter, what is he afraid of? He's probably losing more in endorsements because of his tarnished reputation than it would cost him to prove those accusations in court (assuming that he had any actual evidence to back them up, which one would certainly hope exists if the arbiter rested his decision on them). By not saying it publicly, he's basically admitting that his accusations are baseless (and if his witnesses aren't willing to testify, then they are baseless).

Or, more likely, that his explanations has nothing to do with the collector at all, and are embarrassing in nature (ie: the herpes explanation).
   30. valuearbitrageur Posted: March 19, 2012 at 01:45 AM (#4084022)
If he gathered evidence that effect which was strong enough to present the arbiter, what is he afraid of? He's probably losing more in endorsements because of his tarnished reputation than it would cost him to prove those accusations in court (assuming that he had any actual evidence to back them up, which one would certainly hope exists if the arbiter rested his decision on them). By not saying it publicly, he's basically admitting that his accusations are baseless (and if his witnesses aren't willing to testify, then they are baseless).


Presenting evidence to an arbiter isn't libelous. We don't know if he even had to present it, all reports are the failure to anonymize the sample and the too trusting chain of custody all he needed.

And he's clearly stated his innocence, he doesn't have to prove it, nor does he have to endure a trial or need to care about endorsements when he's set for life. You can't establish either guilt or innocence from his behavior, , no matter how hard you tie yourselve in logical knots.

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