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Brian Wilson headlines list of non-tenders - CBSSports.com

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In the list to follow, you’ll find a number of recognizable names, but the most notable of these is convalescing closer Brian Wilson, formerly of the Giants. Wilson is on the mend from Tommy John surgery, which he underwent in April. That likely means he won’t be ready by opening day but should be able to pitch the majority of the 2013 season.

Besides having a very marketable (and ubiquitous) personality, Wilson is also a damn fine reliever when healthy. Wilson was at his best during the Giants’ 2010 championship season, when he posted an ERA of 1.81 across 74 2/3 innings and finished seventh in the NL Cy Young balloting. He also turned in strong seasons in 2009 and 2011. Andrew Baggarly of CSN Bay Area reports that the Giants have interest in bringing Wilson back on an incentive-laden deal.

Other notable non-tenders include Jair Jurrjens, Mark Reynolds, John Lannan, Mike Pelfrey, Tom Gorzelanny, Geovany Soto, Nate Schierholtz, Daniel Schlereth.

Jim Furtado Posted: December 01, 2012 at 10:57 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:35 AM (#4314003)
I think you could assemble a team from those names that would be better than the Astros.
   2. McCoy Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:54 AM (#4314010)
A lot of future Cubs on that list.

If I was John Lannan I'd be pretty pissed right about now. Got stuck in minor league ball for most of the year as Strasburg's second arm and got into 6 major league games all year. Now he has to hunt for a job and how the Nationals used him probably cost him millions of dollars.
   3. Esoteric Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4314013)
If I was John Lannan I'd be pretty pissed right about now. Got stuck in minor league ball for most of the year as Strasburg's second arm and got into 6 major league games all year. Now he has to hunt for a job and how the Nationals used him probably cost him millions of dollars.
If I was John Lannan I'd have been a lot more pissed if the Nats had tendered me a contract and stashed me away at AAA as a replacement arm for yet another year (which is what they could have done).

Instead, they cut him loose to allow him to find a starting job, which I have little doubt he'll be able to do.
   4. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:04 PM (#4314014)
How are Geovany Soto's performances over the past couple of years enough different from Russell Martin's so that Soto gets non-tendered while Martin gets two years and $17 million?

-- MWE
   5. I am going to be Frank Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:11 PM (#4314016)
What is the market for catchers? Now that Martin has signed with Pitt would Soto take a one-year from the Yankees?
   6. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:14 PM (#4314017)
Surprised about the gorzellany non-tender. He played really well this year
   7. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:14 PM (#4314019)
How are Geovany Soto's performances over the past couple of years enough different from Russell Martin's so that Soto gets non-tendered while Martin gets two years and $17 million?

-- MWE


Do you put any stock in the Mike Fast studies about pitch framing? Martin is supposed to be elite as a framer.
   8. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:19 PM (#4314020)
Do you put any stock in the Mike Fast studies about pitch framing?


Put it this way - I'm skeptical that the difference between being elite and being ordinary is large enough to be of much value, and I'm really skeptical that it's large enough to be the difference between being non-tendered and signing a two-year, $17 million deal.

-- MWE
   9. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:29 PM (#4314024)

How are Geovany Soto's performances over the past couple of years enough different from Russell Martin's so that Soto gets non-tendered while Martin gets two years and $17 million?

-- MWE


This was my thought precisely. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Soto ends up on the Yankees replacing Martin and does a decent enough job of it while saving a pretty penny.
   10. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:34 PM (#4314028)
Haven't there been grumblings about Soto's character and his ability to call a game? If so, I'd be surprised if Girardi, who I definitely think puts a premium on these things, didn't object to bringing him on the team.
   11. McCoy Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4314032)
If I was John Lannan I'd have been a lot more pissed if the Nats had tendered me a contract and stashed me away at AAA as a replacement arm for yet another year (which is what they could have done).

He couldn't get stashed away on a AAA roster this year unless he clears waivers. They are out of options on him. So about the only way he'd clear waivers is if the Nationals throw a bucketload of money at him to the point that no other team would want him.
   12. McCoy Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:45 PM (#4314034)
I think the first thing we have to remember is that Russell Martin signed with the Pirates and was a FA. Soto was still under team control so he had to get non-tendered to sign with any club out there like Martin did.

As for the difference between the two I would say their main difference is consistency. There is less risk involved with Martin than their is with Soto and that has value.
   13. puck Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4314035)
Instead, they cut him loose to allow him to find a starting job, which I have little doubt he'll be able to do.

The pre-2012 Rockies would have definitely gone for him, he was their type. Now, who knows. I'm not sure they've given up on the 75 pitch idea, either, which probably doesn't make them very attractive to free agents.
   14. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4314039)
I hope cubs move to sign Lannan, need all the arms they can get
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 01, 2012 at 01:11 PM (#4314042)
Haven't there been grumblings about Soto's character and his ability to call a game? If so, I'd be surprised if Girardi, who I definitely think puts a premium on these things, didn't object to bringing him on the team.

Girardi had no problem starting Posada for 2.5 years, when he was the best option. I'm pretty sure he'll start the best player, regardless of the shape of their contributions.
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 01, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4314055)
If I was John Lannan I'd have been a lot more pissed if the Nats had tendered me a contract and stashed me away at AAA as a replacement arm for yet another year (which is what they could have done).

Apparently, the Nationals didn't consider Lannan a candidate to replace Edwin Jackson in the rotation. He might have been OK in that role, and he could have been useful depth, but it looks like the Nationals intend to put the money they save on Lannan (and LaRoche?) toward a better starting pitching option. Might work out pretty well.
   17. Walt Davis Posted: December 01, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4314062)
Yeah, I'd be happy to see the Cubs grab any number of these guys starting with Lannan and Gorz and Jurrjens if the Cubs think they can fix him. Not a lot on the position player side but Sweeney, Francisco or Schierholz would be useful OF depth and I would not be surprised to see Hannahan as our opening day 3B. Of course the Cubs are not the premier FA destination at the mo so I'm guessing Theo only gets these guys with extra cash and/or promises of starting jobs.
   18. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: December 01, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4314064)
If any of these guys were as good as Luke Hochevar, they might have gotten contracts.
   19. bobm Posted: December 01, 2012 at 02:23 PM (#4314080)
Other notable non-tenders include ... Mike Pelfrey


Mets fans rejoice!
   20. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 01, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4314087)
Sad to see Nate Schierholtz adrift again. I guess the Phillies believe in Darin Ruf?
   21. Walt Davis Posted: December 01, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4314089)
If any of these guys were as good as Luke Hochevar, they might have gotten contracts.

Ho ho! This does mean the Royals offered arb to Hochevar doesn't it?
   22. BDC Posted: December 01, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4314092)
I have no idea whether there's anything physically wrong with Soto, but in Texas last year he just didn't look like he could get around on pitches: vision, bat speed, acute, chronic, I have no idea. He was Godawful at the plate. Martin at least his 6 home runs in September to end the season on an uptick. (Couldn't buy a hit in the playoffs, I know, but he was not exactly alone in that.)
   23. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: December 01, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4314102)
If any of these guys were as good as Luke Hochevar, they might have gotten contracts.

Ho ho! This does mean the Royals offered arb to Hochevar doesn't it?


Bob Dutton tweeted that the Royals tendered contracts to all remaining unsigned players. Hochevar's career ERA is 5:39. Look out Kyle Davies!
   24. Esoteric Posted: December 01, 2012 at 05:20 PM (#4314146)
He couldn't get stashed away on a AAA roster this year unless he clears waivers. They are out of options on him. So about the only way he'd clear waivers is if the Nationals throw a bucketload of money at him to the point that no other team would want him.
Quite incorrect. Lannan had one more option, which the Nats would have used again this year had they kept him.

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