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Monday, August 18, 2014

Brisbee: Jedd Gyorko’s 31 homers isn’t the saddest team record

[Jedd] Gyorko’s 31 homers as a second baseman in his Padres career is a franchise record. Total. For any second baseman’s entire Padres career. That’s a sad record.

But is it the saddest record? As in, what’s the lowest total for a franchise leader at every position? With the help of Baseball-Reference.com, we can find out…

C - Rays (Toby Hall, 44 home runs) and Pirates (Jason Kendall, 66)..
1B - Diamondbacks (Paul Goldschmidt, 82) and Angels (Wally Joyner, 116)...
SS - Astros (Adam Everett, 35)...
3B - Brewers (Don Money, 78)...
LF - Padres (Greg Vaughn, 72)...
CF - Rangers (Don Lock, 71)...
RF - Rays (Matt Joyce, 47) and Astros (Hunter Pence, 88)...
DH - Twins (David Ortiz, 42)

Oh.

Oh, my.

That’s much, much sadder than the Gyorko thing. That’s much, much, much sadder on several different levels.

(Note: Jason Kubel also had 42 as a Twins DH, but Ortiz kinda needs to be in that header by himself for effect.)

It’s too late to change history, but…

The District Attorney Posted: August 18, 2014 at 02:32 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: grant brisbee, jedd gyorko, padres, sabermetrics

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   1. Astroenteritis Posted: August 18, 2014 at 02:59 PM (#4773793)
Adam Everett! Goodness, that's scary. Of course if Dickie Thon had not had his career derailed by a beaning he might have gotten to 150 homers.

The Don Money one surprises me.
   2. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4773849)

Some of these are kind of stupid. Matt Joyce has 75 HRs for the Rays, but only 47 of them in RF. Just as one example.
   3. Danny Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:09 PM (#4773902)
On a somewhat related note, the Marlins have not had a HR by a SS yet this year. No NL team has gone without a HR from a SS since the Cardinals in 1992. The Rangers did it in 2010.
   4. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:17 PM (#4773915)
How do you set PI to get only (for example) Padres playing 2B? I made a list of Padres who played at least 80% of their at 2B and got Mark Loretta (22), Gyorko (21) etc.
   5. McCoy Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:24 PM (#4773922)
Use the splits PI.
   6. valuearbitrageur Posted: August 18, 2014 at 06:10 PM (#4774052)
To be fair to the Twins, they would gphave been forced to pay him $1.2M the next year had they not released him.
   7. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: August 18, 2014 at 06:52 PM (#4774072)
Thanks! Here's the complete list...
   8. AndrewJ Posted: August 18, 2014 at 07:24 PM (#4774091)
With the exception of Jason Kendall of the Pirates, all the players in the article played on expansion teams. I'd like to see the worst career totals on the "original 16"...
   9. dr. scott Posted: August 19, 2014 at 02:40 PM (#4774680)
Tim Flannery had 1798 PA's as a Padres 2nd baseman, and only 2 HR. That is most of their problem right there. He clearly modeled himself of Duane Kuiper who had 1 HR in 3379 AB's (~3600 as a 2B)in his entire career.
   10. DL from MN Posted: August 19, 2014 at 03:08 PM (#4774706)
The Twins aren't an expansion team but the DH hasn't been around forever
   11. Jeltzandini Posted: August 19, 2014 at 03:13 PM (#4774711)
I'd like to see the worst career totals on the "original 16"


The White Sox used to have the lamest franchise leaders, until Frank Thomas.
   12. Moeball Posted: August 19, 2014 at 04:16 PM (#4774774)
Tim Flannery had 1798 PA's as a Padres 2nd baseman, and only 2 HR. That is most of their problem right there. He clearly modeled himself of Duane Kuiper who had 1 HR in 3379 AB's (~3600 as a 2B)in his entire career.


Here's what's really sad: The Padres have been around for 45 years now and have had a grand total of 3 players provide them with at least 1 WAA of value...in a career (per BREF). The drumroll, please, for your roll call of leaders:

Mark Loretta is your career leader in value at 2B for the Padres with 5.9 WAA provided from 2003-2005 in his age 31-33 seasons, a bit of a fluke for a player reaching his peak seasons. In 2003-2004 Loretta was the second best second baseman in the major leagues behind only the illustrious Marcus Giles, a real rarity for the Padres to have a second baseman ranked so highly.

Just a fraction of a fraction behind Loretta for Padres career leader was Roberto Alomar, also with 5.9 accumulated WAA from 1988-1990 in his age 20-22 seasons. This was a bit of a different situation. Alomar, unlike his father (he of the -7.2 career WAA), was the real deal and had the right stuff to become a major star. Which meant, of course, that as soon as the Padres realized they had an actual legitimate major league player at second base, they had to unload him as quickly as possible before it became necessary to pay him more than minimum wage. I'm stunned they actually got 3 years of value out of him. They don't usually take that long to find a way to screw things up.

Garnering the Bronze medal is Josh Barfield, who played all of one season for the Padres in 2006 and racked up 1.3 WAA. Well, we can't have players that are actually better than average, can we? That might actually result in winning more games, which I think runs contrary to the Padres' Mission Statement.

That's it. 3 guys in 45 years who provided any positive value to speak of. Another couple provided fractional barely above zero value. That means that only 5 regular second basemen in Padres history haven't been below average players. Out of 44 players over the years who have manned the position (at least 50% of playing time at second base). That means that almost 90% of the players the Padres have sent out on the field to play second base have been helping the team to lose games, not win them. For almost half a century. Over the last 45 years, the above 44 players referenced have provided about -44 WAA, or an average of negative 1 WAA per season. 19 of those players weren't just below average, they were below replacement level. Think about that for a moment. For almost half a century, 43% of the players the Padres sent out to play second base weren't even really major league players. Supposedly, if you're that bad a player the team ought to be able to reach down to the minor leagues and call somebody up who is better than you. Well, maybe for other teams that might be true. For the Padres, they just bring up yet another "Not ready for Prime Time" player. Even the long suffering St. Louis Browns or Senators teams that seemingly lost forever for much of the 20th century got more value out of their second basemen than this.

Padres. Truly. Pathetic.

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