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Monday, June 19, 2017

Bronson Arroyo admits comeback could be over | MLB.com

“I think my arm is probably going to be checkmate,” Arroyo said. “I’ve got some tears in my shoulder that we’ve been masking with cortisone for a while. It held up for the first three months. I got another shot, the second has disappeared after like three weeks.”
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“The elbow—Tommy John [surgery] is like a chain out on a bicycle. It doesn’t matter how bad the chain is, if the rest of the bike is OK, you change out the chain and you continue to move forward,” Arroyo said. “But a shoulder is more like your favorite shirt you’ve been wearing for the last 15 years and it’s been washed too many times. So it gets brittle, right?

“Right now, it’s not going to work anymore. I don’t know if we have any more options. We’ll see.”

Jim Furtado Posted: June 19, 2017 at 08:56 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rennie's Tenet Posted: June 19, 2017 at 09:39 AM (#5478499)
So it looks like Arroyo finishes with 139 wins after the Pirates lost him on waivers to the Red Sox.

Sampling of Pirate transactions in the 2002-2003 offseason:

12/20: traded pitcher Chris Young for Matt Herges
2/4: lose Arroyo (25) on waivers
2/7: sign Dennys Reyes
3/26: release Herges
5/19: release Reyes



   2. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: June 19, 2017 at 09:42 AM (#5478500)
Not a bad career, I didn't realize he was 40 already. He fits well in the Hall of Pretty Darn Useful.
   3. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: June 19, 2017 at 09:55 AM (#5478504)
So it looks like Arroyo finishes with 139 wins after the Pirates lost him on waivers to the Red Sox.


And 115 wins after the Red Sox traded him and cash to the Reds for Wily Mo Pena.

I was at his first game as a Red. He homered off Glendon Rusch and picked up the W. Good game.

   4. Rennie's Tenet Posted: June 19, 2017 at 10:24 AM (#5478516)
He fits well in the Hall of Pretty Darn Useful.


Total of 148 wins. BB-Ref has him tied for 260th on the all-time wins list, with Mike Hampton, Firpo Marberry, Johnny Podres, Brad Radke, and Aaron Sele. A 'distinguished" group, for sure.
   5. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 19, 2017 at 10:24 AM (#5478517)
He fits well in the Hall of Pretty Darn Useful.

Looks like pretty darn useful (24.8 Career WAR, 101 ERA+) nets you $95 million for your career.
   6. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: June 19, 2017 at 10:56 AM (#5478536)
Total of 148 wins. BB-Ref has him tied for 260th on the all-time wins list, with Mike Hampton, Firpo Marberry, Johnny Podres, Brad Radke, and Aaron Sele. A 'distinguished" group, for sure.
He's 30th all-time in home runs allowed, in a four-way tie with Schilling, Mickey Lolich, and Dennis Eckersley. That's an even more distinguished group!
   7. dog poop god Posted: June 19, 2017 at 11:04 AM (#5478545)
He had zilch yesterday. Sayonara, Arroyo.
   8. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: June 19, 2017 at 11:08 AM (#5478550)
And 115 wins after the Red Sox traded him and cash to the Reds for Wily Mo Pena.


Boy was I wrong about that trade. Good for Bronson who had a hell of a career for himself. Wouldn't have expected him to be the last man standing from the 2004 Red Sox.
   9. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 19, 2017 at 11:12 AM (#5478555)
Total of 148 wins. BB-Ref has him tied for 260th on the all-time wins list, with Mike Hampton, Firpo Marberry, Johnny Podres, Brad Radke, and Aaron Sele. A 'distinguished" group, for sure.

He's 30th all-time in home runs allowed, in a four-way tie with Schilling, Mickey Lolich, and Dennis Eckersley. That's an even more distinguished group!


And he's from Key West, along with Boog Powell and Khalil Greene. A slightly less distinguished group.
   10. Bourbon Samurai, what price fettucine? Posted: June 19, 2017 at 11:22 AM (#5478563)
Total of 148 wins. BB-Ref has him tied for 260th on the all-time wins list, with Mike Hampton, Firpo Marberry, Johnny Podres, Brad Radke, and Aaron Sele. A 'distinguished" group, for sure.


all fairly decent players who were useful. I tend to think of Radke and Hampton as being better than the rest, though.

afterchecking b-ref, looks like I was right on Radke, way wrong on Hampton!

By WAR:

Radke- 45.6
Marberry- 31.7
Podres- 28.3
Arroyo- 25.6
Hampton- 20.8
Sele- 20.2
   11. simpleton & childlike gef the talking mongoose Posted: June 19, 2017 at 11:26 AM (#5478567)
BB-Ref has him tied for 260th on the all-time wins list, with Mike Hampton,


I have attended a whopping 4 MLB games in my life, all in Atlanta. Mike Hampton started 2 of them.
   12. dlf Posted: June 19, 2017 at 11:43 AM (#5478580)
I always like pitchers who don't have great stuff, have slightly off windups, and still are effective. I'll miss Arroyo.

And he's from Key West, along with Boog Powell and Khalil Greene. A slightly less distinguished group.


How can Boog's food stand not have conch fritters?
   13. DanG Posted: June 19, 2017 at 12:01 PM (#5478592)
Retired pitchers from the last hundred years with similar value and playing time as Bronson:

Player            WAR ERA+   IP   From  To   W   L
Joe Nuxhall      26.6  102 2302.2 1944 1966 135 117
Floyd Bannister  26.4  102 2388.0 1977 1992 134 143
Tommy Thomas     26.3  104 2176.1 1926 1937 117 128
Vern Law         26.2  101 2672.0 1950 1967 162 147
Dave Stewart     26.1  100 2629.2 1978 1995 168 129
Danny MacFayden  26.1  101 2706.0 1926 1943 132 159
Mike Flanagan    26.0  100 2770.0 1975 1992 167 143
Bronson Arroyo   25.6  101 2435.2 2000 2017 148 137
Jon Lieber       25.5  103 2198.0 1994 2008 131 124
Joe Coleman      25.2   97 2569.1 1965 1979 142 135
Bob Purkey       25.0  103 2114.2 1954 1966 129 115
Scott Erickson   24.8   98 2360.2 1990 2006 142 136
Steve Trachsel   24.7   99 2501.0 1993 2008 143 159 
   14. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 19, 2017 at 12:07 PM (#5478596)
I have attended a whopping 4 MLB games in my life, all in Atlanta. Mike Hampton started 2 of them.


I have to think you were *trying* to see Hampton then. He missed 5 out of every 6 starts in Atlanta with injury.
   15. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 19, 2017 at 12:19 PM (#5478602)
Honestly, it's kind of remarkable that he was able to come back at all. Hell of a career, all in all.
   16. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 19, 2017 at 12:49 PM (#5478621)
How can Boog's food stand not have conch fritters?


Conch fritters are an abomination sold to tourists. They are about 1% conch and 99% filler. Cracked conch is the way to go.
   17. dlf Posted: June 19, 2017 at 01:00 PM (#5478633)
Conch fritters are an abomination sold to tourists. They are about 1% conch and 99% filler. Cracked conch is the way to go.


Have you not then eaten the "bbq" that Boog actually sells? I'm personally a fan of a nice conch salad with lime, green peppers and diced tomatoes, but the fritters match the bbq.
   18. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: June 19, 2017 at 01:04 PM (#5478637)
And 115 wins after the Red Sox traded him and cash to the Reds for Wily Mo Pena.

Boy was I wrong about that trade.
I, on the other hand, was very right. The '05 Reds led the league in runs but were 75-87 because they allowed more runs than Colorado (thanks, Eric Milton!). I thought Arroyo would be a big upgrade and Pena was expendable.
   19. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 19, 2017 at 01:33 PM (#5478659)
It's a pity that the results weren't there this year. I've always liked Arroyo, and he was a workhorse for the Reds for years - in his first eight seasons with the club, the had 200 or more innings pitched every year but one, and that season he had 199. To use a term more commonly used in soccer, there's value in being ever present, and that he certainly was.
   20. Textbook Editor Posted: June 19, 2017 at 02:49 PM (#5478732)
To use a term more commonly used in soccer, there's value in being ever present, and that he certainly was.


The James Milner of pitchers?
   21. Bote Man Posted: June 19, 2017 at 03:55 PM (#5478758)
Will Arroyo go into the Hall wearing a Nats cap, do you think???
   22. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 19, 2017 at 04:33 PM (#5478784)
Will Arroyo go into the Hall wearing a Nats cap, do you think???

Hell no, his hair should have its own exhibit!
   23. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 19, 2017 at 05:36 PM (#5478821)

afterchecking b-ref, looks like I was right on Radke, way wrong on Hampton!

By WAR:

Radke- 45.6
Marberry- 31.7
Podres- 28.3
Arroyo- 25.6
Hampton- 20.8
Sele- 20.2


In fairness, Hampton adds another 8.2 WAR at the plate, giving him a higher career WAR total than Arroyo. And part of his rep was built around being an all-around player. They also had very different shapes to their careers: Arroyo produced 90% of his career pitching WAR after age 27, Hampton produced 88% before age 28 (and if you take Hampton through age 27 plus Arroyo's age 28+, you still don't have a HOFer. Hall of Pretty Darn Useful is a good way to describe them.)

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