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Monday, August 01, 2011

Brookover: Wade played no favorites in dealing Pence

and all future skid greasing will have no bearing whatsoever! So there!

Amaro did not think that was going to be the case the day before. He feared things were falling apart but said, “I always try to stay cautiously optimistic.”

It helped that he was dealing with Wade, but not because Amaro feels as though he can pull one over on his former boss.

“Obviously I have a familiarity with Ed and I view him as a good friend,” Amaro said. “The one thing you can get from some particular GMs is that you can get a deal done. Some relationships that you have with certain GMs, you don’t feel that way. But Ed and I had always been able to do things in the past, so when you grease the skids, you know at the end of the day you can do something.”

...In that scenario, Wade was forced to make deals with an eye to the future, even though his future as Houston’s general manager is in jeopardy. He didn’t care if he was dealing with the Phillies or the Atlanta Braves, as he proved Sunday when he dealt centerfielder Michael Bourn to the Phillies’ closest division rival in the standings.

“My future has no bearing whatsoever,” Wade said. “I think I have always exhibited the idea that the team comes first. I’m always going to try to make the right decision on behalf of the organization. When I was in Philadelphia, I had a chance to make some moves that would have been a short-term fix that I didn’t make. A lot of those guys are the core of that team now.”

Repoz Posted: August 01, 2011 at 12:17 PM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. base ball chick Posted: August 01, 2011 at 03:10 PM (#3890243)
left out:

amaro had a great deal of trouble keeping a straight face. he got oswalt and pence for a fraction of their value and made ed wade give him money, too

happ is SOOO bad that the ONLY reason he is not in AAA is because fast eddie is determined to show how smart he is

he is bringing up paredes to play THIRD when he has always been a second baseman and was only beginning to hit DOUBLE A pitching so he could show every one he ain't the maroon every body KNOW he is

brett wallace was OBVIOUSLY not liked by the manager who kept him on the world's tightests choke collar

we ALL know that wade was ordered to get rid of anyone (but barmes) who was getting/gonna be getting money. but like last year he gave away all-stars for basically NOTHING

i hope ed wade and drayton rot forever for destroying this franchise

ihate HATE them like john brattain hated seligula and loria for deliberately destroying the expos franchise which just made them a LOT of money and totally screwed the fans who they couldn't care less about

difference in houston is that there is nowhere to move TO
   2. bobm Posted: August 01, 2011 at 04:46 PM (#3890331)
Meet Ed Wade, your 2012 special assistant to the Phillies GM
   3. base ball chick Posted: August 01, 2011 at 05:17 PM (#3890359)
bobm

nah

then they'd have to PAY him. why pay the pig when he's giving the sausage for free?
   4. Sam M. Posted: August 01, 2011 at 05:36 PM (#3890377)
I'm sorry, but I think the strong evidence is that the BEST deal Wade made is the Pence deal. Look, if you just oppose deals of currently good players for prospects, then you're going to oppose trading Pence for Singleton and Cosart. But if you are open to those sorts of trades, then that was as solid an example of the genre as you're going to get. The fact that it happened to be with Wade's former employer can and should make you skeptical, but the fact that every prospect maven in the business rates Singleton and Cosart very highly should also tell you something.

The ironic thing is that it's the Bourn deal -- the one Wade made with the Braves, not the Phillies -- that I would be complaining about the most. There, Wade settled for quantity instead of quality, and IMHO, that's a mistake. Filling up your system with so-so prospects is what the late rounds of the draft are for. You need those sorts of guys, and you hope some of them supply you some decent talent for the big club or to use in trades. But that's not what you give away talent at the deadline for. When you're trading talent that contenders need as difference-makers in pennant races or in the post-season, you should get high-ceiling prospects. As I see it, the Mets (Zack Wheeler), the Rockies (Drew Pomeranz) and the Astros in the Pence deal (Singleton and Cosart) got that right. The Astros in the Bourn deal didn't.
   5. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 01, 2011 at 05:53 PM (#3890388)
I have a feeling they'll trade Wandy, too. Apparently, they almost had a deal with the Yankees, but the Yankees thought his contract was too expensive. They could very well get him though waivers.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 01, 2011 at 05:56 PM (#3890389)
I'm sorry, but I think the strong evidence is that the BEST deal Wade made is the Pence deal.

Concur. The Bourn deal was the lay down.

I have a feeling they'll trade Wandy, too. Apparently, they almost had a deal with the Yankees, but the Yankees thought his contract was too expensive. They could very well get him though waivers.

Yeah, if they place him on waivers, the Yankees will claim to block Boston. The Yanks would probably throw in a C+/B- prospect to get him.

Wade could then decide how much he wants to pay to get real prospects.
   7. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 01, 2011 at 06:12 PM (#3890408)
Wade could then decide how much he wants to pay to get real prospects.


Can Wade recognize a real prospect?

WRT Singleton, he's 19, hitting .284/.387/.413 in the FSL (League is .262/.332/.384) hit .290/.393/.479 in the Sallie League at age 18. Interesting prospect.
   8. Tripon Posted: August 01, 2011 at 06:14 PM (#3890411)
I'd let Wandy go, if somebody is willing to pick up his whole contract. $40 million can a good war chest to sign a butt load of good draftees/international free agents.
   9. Joe Kehoskie Posted: August 01, 2011 at 10:55 PM (#3890631)
The ironic thing is that it's the Bourn deal -- the one Wade made with the Braves, not the Phillies -- that I would be complaining about the most.

Agreed. One of the players in the Braves deal was signed as a minor league free agent last offseason.

I'd let Wandy go, if somebody is willing to pick up his whole contract. $40 million can a good war chest to sign a butt load of good draftees/international free agents.

The worst part of Wandy's contract only applies if he's traded -- i.e., the 2014 team option that becomes a player option after a trade. A last-place team might not need an $11M starting pitcher, but I sure as hell wouldn't just dump him on waivers. The Astros are unlikely to have even a single compensation pick in 2012, so they shouldn't need to rob Peter to pay Paul.

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