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Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Brown: Dodgers acquire Victorino

Martin is a prospect, so this is a pretty solid return for Victorino.

Phillies have traded Victorino to Dodgers for Lindblom and Ethan martin

Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4197025)
Colletti clearly never learned the third rule of acquisition: Never pay more for an acquisition than you have to.

That said, the Flyin' Hawaiian should be a solid upgrade for left field. So I'm cool with this.
   2. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:19 PM (#4197033)
Fantasy question: Does Pierre have a full time job for the rest of the year now? I assume Brown doesn't play center field.
   3. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4197036)
How bad has the Dodgers' LF been? Victorino has looked done this year.
   4. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:22 PM (#4197038)
Victorino's been about league average this year. Below average hitting, very good baserunning, passable outfield defense.

The Dodgers, by contrast, have been running out Bobby Abreu (can't field at all anymore) and Juan Rivera (can't field, and double threat, can't hit either).
   5. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:25 PM (#4197042)
I don't understand why the Dodgers aren't after a first baseman. The experiment with playing a latter-day Tony Muser at a power position has be judged a failure by now.
   6. Dan Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:25 PM (#4197043)
Victorino has, over the last few years, basically stopped hitting RHP while continuing to kill LHP. He's one of those guys who makes you think he probably shouldn't be switch-hitting anymore.
   7. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:29 PM (#4197050)
Fantasy question: Does Pierre have a full time job for the rest of the year now? I assume Brown doesn't play center field.

Well your assumption would be wrong! Brown finds new life playing center field

So expect to see him get called up for another chance, in this rare year when the Phillies are not playing for anything in September.

And as the yang to this hopeful yin, much-loathed CF prospect Tyson "The Kamloops Komet" Gillies recently recovered from his head injury and returned to AA two weeks ago, only to strain his hamstring and then be suspended indefinitely for an altercation with a bus driver.
   8. Dan Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4197051)
I don't understand why the Dodgers aren't after a first baseman. The experiment with playing a latter-day Tony Muser at a power position has be judged a failure by now.


What first baseman is really out there that they could go grab? If I were them, I'd just shift Ethier to first base and try to find another outfielder.
   9. The District Attorney Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4197055)
The Dodgers did try to get Carlos Lee to play 1B, but Lee vetoed.

I suppose it's essentially an advantage that they have several positions where they are so awful that even bringing in someone mediocre would help. They had four (1B, SS, 3B, LF), and now after acquiring Hanley and Victorino, they still have two.

Hunter Pence to SF, is the twitter.
   10. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:32 PM (#4197057)
I wonder if going to a winning club will help. Superficially, he's always seemed a little bit like a guy who has swagger when his teams winning, and less interested when things are bad. He's come down from last year's career year, but if he raises his BA from .260 to .280, he'd be around his career averages.

   11. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4197058)
Deleted because I'm an idiot.
   12. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4197059)
What first baseman is really out there that they could go grab? If I were them, I'd just shift Ethier to first base and try to find another outfielder.

Carlos Lee? Since the Marlins are in WTF-mode he's available again. Not sure if that counts as an upgrade, though.
   13. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4197061)
What first baseman is really out there that they could go grab? If I were them, I'd just shift Ethier to first base and try to find another outfielder.
Bryan LaHair was my first thought. Carlos Lee is available, though I have a vague memory of Lee refusing a trade to LA earlier this summer?

In any case, the Dodgers still need one more corner bat.
   14. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:36 PM (#4197067)
I like the Dodgers being aggressive, though I'll have to see exactly who they've traded away before I make up my mind. A wild card spot can definitely be had and the division is still in play for that matter, and a run into the playoffs would do a lot to restore the fan base's shaken confidence, yes?
   15. JJ1986 Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:39 PM (#4197074)
What first baseman is really out there that they could go grab? If I were them, I'd just shift Ethier to first base and try to find another outfielder.

Lucas Duda is available.
   16. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4197078)
As a Dodgers fan, I'm heartened to see the FO acting like a large-market club. At the moment, the farm doesn't have many upper-echelon prospects... but the team does have bags of money. So why not trade for expensive talent?
   17. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4197079)
I am an idiot and read hilariously poorly. The Giants, unimpressed by the Dodgers acquiring Shane Victorino, have acquired Hunter Pence.
   18. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4197080)
Pence went to SF, not LA.
   19. zonk Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:42 PM (#4197081)
Bryan LaHair was my first thought. Carlos Lee is available, though I have a vague memory of Lee refusing a trade to LA earlier this summer?

In any case, the Dodgers still need one more corner bat.


If LaHair PLUS Dempster nets Lee -- and I feel like it should -- then fine... but Webster doesn't get them both and no way anything less does.
   20. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: July 31, 2012 at 12:57 PM (#4197112)
Carlos Lee is available, though I have a vague memory of Lee refusing a trade to LA earlier this summer?

I know it doesn't apply to this case since Lee has a no trade that waives his 5-10 rights (or something). But let's say that doesn't exist and he had used his 5-10 rights to block a trade to the Dodgers, but accepted the one to Miami. Can Miami then trade him to the Dodgers? He hasn't been with Miami for 5 years.
   21. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 31, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4197120)
If you're looking for a guy to play a corner, doesn't Pence make a lot more sense than Victorino?
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 31, 2012 at 01:25 PM (#4197154)
What first baseman is really out there that they could go grab? If I were them, I'd just shift Ethier to first base and try to find another outfielder.


Alfonso Soriano is available.
   23. MM1f Posted: July 31, 2012 at 01:28 PM (#4197158)
The Dodgers just traded their first two picks in the 2008 draft for two months of Shane Victorino. Not that I am saying that makes this a bad deal, just an observation on the draft itself.

As for the deal, this makes me think the report of the Phillies offering Victorino for Ondrusek (and getting rejected) was off base. Lindblom alone is about as valuable as Ondrusek, plus the Phillies get an ex-first round pick who is starting to show some signs of life.

I know it doesn't apply to this case since Lee has a no trade that waives his 5-10 rights (or something). But let's say that doesn't exist and he had used his 5-10 rights to block a trade to the Dodgers, but accepted the one to Miami. Can Miami then trade him to the Dodgers? He hasn't been with Miami for 5 years.


I was thinking about this last week. I assume the union was smart enough to write in some addendum to the 5/10 rule to ensure teams couldn't loophole themselves around the rule like that.
   24. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: July 31, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4197185)
I assume the union was smart enough to write in some addendum to the 5/10 rule to ensure teams couldn't loophole themselves around the rule like that.

Right, I'm assuming so as well. But it can't be too long, since I would think that they could trade him next year. If I was writing the agreement I'd do something like if you reached 5/10 with a given team then you keep 5/10 through the length of your current contract, even if you approve a trade during that time frame.
   25. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 31, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4197196)

As for the deal, this makes me think the report of the Phillies offering Victorino for Ondrusek (and getting rejected) was off base. Lindblom alone is about as valuable as Ondrusek, plus the Phillies get an ex-first round pick who is starting to show some signs of life.


I don't know if its off-base, Ned Coletti seems to give up more than your average GM in these kind of deals (Carlos Santana for Casey Blake? James McDonald for two months of Octavio Dotel?), and Walt Jocketty is a pretty smart GM.
   26. phredbird Posted: July 31, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4197232)
I don't understand why the Dodgers aren't after a first baseman.


as noted above, they are but they keep getting stymied. moving ethier doesn't sound like a good idea. he is not a good fielder and i don't think he has an infielder's feel for the game. at 1st base you need to be pretty heads up.

i'm still sticking with my nutbag prediction: LAD - NYY WS.
   27. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 31, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4197237)
Now it feels like the "dynasty" is over. Victorino was totally in the core of the run. Werth, never so much. Madson, a lot, but he was a reliever. The demise was so very quick -- maybe that's a good thing. No lingering doubts. Of course, Chooch, Howard, Utley, Rollins and Hamels are still around. Utley and Ruiz disappear after next year, Rollins the year after. The Howbatross will be around for a long time, though.

Do the Dodgers have a 1B hole? Much like Soriano, Howard is available (if I'm GM).
   28. Walt Davis Posted: July 31, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4197519)
The Dodgers probably could have had Sanchez; Abreu to 1B might be worth a shot. OR maybe not, he's not hitting much this year I see.

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