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Saturday, August 27, 2005

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Thanks to Craig in MN, we can locate one another.  Feel free to add a generic location - no need to put your actual address in there - but the city can help us get together better.  For instance, for me, I put in my BTF name, my city and a link to my BTF wiki page.  I can already feel the love.

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   101. Dan 'The Boy' Werr Posted: August 28, 2005 at 12:34 AM (#1578552)
There's two Primates in the Kelowna area???
   102. Dan Szymborski Posted: August 28, 2005 at 01:15 AM (#1578609)
I'm guessing that's a joke unless you really hit the guy's car.
   103. Dr. Vaux Posted: August 28, 2005 at 01:18 AM (#1578620)
There's some folks in PA who claim to be in MD, and some other misplacements, too. It took me forever to figure out how to zoom in.
   104. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: August 28, 2005 at 01:24 AM (#1578633)
Jeez, Scoriano, what's a man like you supposed to do with all that extra savoir faire?
   105. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: August 28, 2005 at 01:36 AM (#1578654)
I can't get this zoomed properly. I hope you guys are willing to settle for the fact that I at least got the right state. CT is small area-wise.
   106. HCO Posted: August 28, 2005 at 01:41 AM (#1578663)
Baldrick lives very close to me. Too bad I have no idea who Baldrick is.
   107. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 28, 2005 at 01:43 AM (#1578670)
Whoever was trying to put a thing near Rootstown Ohio was off by about 40 miles. The putit right down in the epicenter of Amish country. Good going Jakob Yoder.
   108. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: August 28, 2005 at 01:47 AM (#1578681)
Cool, got mine in. Before I saw the zoom tip, I was looking like a Cuban refugee in the straits of Florida.
   109. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 28, 2005 at 01:49 AM (#1578688)
I can't get this zoomed properly.

Just place the area where you want the marker on in the center of your screen. As you slowly move the Zoom up, keep moving into the center the area that you want represented. Eventually, you should find the exact area to mark.
   110.  Hey Gurl Posted: August 28, 2005 at 01:52 AM (#1578695)
There's two Primates in the Kelowna area???

I'm not sure that I qualify as a primate. :)
   111. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 28, 2005 at 01:53 AM (#1578701)
Miserlou is now officially the only Primate that I am jealous of where they live.
   112. The Original SJ Posted: August 28, 2005 at 01:55 AM (#1578708)
I nailed my actual house, i was pretty excited, then i got a little sad because i was excited about something so silly.

but then i cheered up when i realized that I am in a good emotional place when can get enjoyment out of the little things. Then I got sad because I always overanalyze things. Then I thought of Fletch, and I laughed
   113. The Original SJ Posted: August 28, 2005 at 01:55 AM (#1578711)
I nailed my actual house, i was pretty excited, then i got a little sad because i was excited about something so silly.

but then i cheered up when i realized that I am in a good emotional place when can get enjoyment out of the little things. Then I got sad because I always overanalyze things. Then I thought of Fletch, and I laughed
   114. WillYoung Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:01 AM (#1578724)
Whoever was trying to put a thing near Rootstown Ohio was off by about 40 miles. The putit right down in the epicenter of Amish country. Good going Jakob Yoder.

I drove by Wooster College the other day and thought of its most famous alum - Bernal Diaz.
   115. Most Favored Haitian Status Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:02 AM (#1578726)
Then I thought of Fletch, and I laughed

Helen? Charmed.
   116. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:04 AM (#1578735)
Actually John Dean or Rob Walton are more widely know. But I am more famous.


What were you doing in t Wooster?
   117. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:07 AM (#1578746)
Coorey hasn't done this yet? I'm all curious.

I didn't think GGC lived where his icon is.
   118. base ball chick Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:10 AM (#1578759)
well, i did this yesterday when it first went up, but my icon isn't there anymore. someone trying to tell me something???
   119. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:11 AM (#1578761)
You are still there bbchick.
   120. WillYoung Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:40 AM (#1578845)
What were you doing in t Wooster?

I was driving from DC to the Twin Cities by way of Cambridge, Ohio for fun. I saw a Wooster sign and thought I would research the DIII basketball dynasty I had heard so much about.
   121. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:45 AM (#1578857)
You were impressed I imagine.
   122. Chris Dial Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:47 AM (#1578863)
Before I saw the zoom tip, I was looking like a Cuban refugee in the straits of Florida.

Miserlou, what mile marker are you at?
   123. Chris Dial Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:49 AM (#1578866)
Ernie Camacho is in BG? Ernie, are you in BG proper? I'll be in Findlay Thursday/Friday/Saturday morning (going to AA for the opener)
   124. Paul S Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:50 AM (#1578869)
I can't even see the map. It crashes IE, and I can't see anything on Netscape.
   125. Slide-Piece Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:50 AM (#1578871)
There's two Primates in the Kelowna area???

I'm not sure that I qualify as a primate. :)


I wouldn't consider myself a Primate either, aside from lurking here for the past 5 years.

What are you doing in Westbank, LJF (I actually lived in Glenrosa for 4 years)? Are you one of the Ryan's from Batter's Box? I think I remember someone posting there that they lived on the Westside.
   126. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:51 AM (#1578872)
Nah, that was me '93-'97. I'm in Pickerington (just southeast of Columbus) now.

Where are you coming from, Chris? I'm all for grabbing a beer if Columbus is on the way.
   127. Cabbage Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:56 AM (#1578877)
I put my work on the map. I split time between two houses, so I figured that would be the easiest.

If you click over to the satellite and zoom in most of the way, you can see the runway my students like to try and fly off the side of.
   128. Jose Clutch (Replacement Level Poster) Posted: August 28, 2005 at 03:04 AM (#1578898)
I'm surprised there are no primates in Detroit.
   129. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 28, 2005 at 03:07 AM (#1578906)
I'm surprised there are no primates in Detroit.

Buddha's from up there, I think.
   130. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: August 28, 2005 at 03:11 AM (#1578913)
Miserlou, what mile marker are you at?

90
   131. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: August 28, 2005 at 03:16 AM (#1578920)
It would be a big help to my internet stalking scheme if you could draw those on the map.

Well, you can't see the bike and barbecue on the map, even if you zoom in all the way. But I did change the message for my marker to mention them, so you can better find me.
   132. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: August 28, 2005 at 03:20 AM (#1578929)
Just place the area where you want the marker on in the center of your screen. As you slowly move the Zoom up, keep moving into the center the area that you want represented. Eventually, you should find the exact area to mark.

You know, I really like Google Maps, but this is just an awful user experience. It should be much easier to zoom on a particular spot, and it's especially embarassing because other mapping sites implement it better.
   133. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: August 28, 2005 at 04:03 AM (#1578997)
I posted:

1) Where my old apartment was (exactly)
2) Where I lived with my sister this spring (exactly)
3) Where I lived in my car (within a few yards)
4) Where I live with my parents (ditto)
   134. fables of the deconstruction Posted: August 28, 2005 at 04:09 AM (#1579008)
Due to unexpected high growth of the user base, MyGuestmap is experiencing severe bandwidth issues. Help us keeping the service up and running: any kind of donation is REALLY appreciated! Click the 'donate' button if you think you can colaborate. Thanks! :)

I can't even mark my S.E. Pima location into Santa Cruz county under these conditions. At the risk of sounding ignorant, what's all the shouting about...? ;) ...

--------
trevise
   135. chris p Posted: August 28, 2005 at 04:33 AM (#1579055)
quite a few lurkers posted their locations. weird.
   136. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 28, 2005 at 04:42 AM (#1579075)
My two locations are very accurate. No approximations for me.
   137. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 28, 2005 at 04:52 AM (#1579104)
As of now, I appear to be the only New Hampshire primate.
   138. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: August 28, 2005 at 05:24 AM (#1579174)
As of now, I appear to be the only New Hampshire primate.

Which is one too many. Besides, aren't there only like 17 people in the whole state?
   139. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: August 28, 2005 at 05:32 AM (#1579184)
I agree on the lurkers. There are 5 posts in the Seattle area, and I only penguinmobile and myself. 1 other sounds vaguely familiar, and two are totally foreign to me.
   140. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: August 28, 2005 at 05:33 AM (#1579186)
I only recognize penguinmobile and myself.
   141. CraigK Posted: August 28, 2005 at 05:34 AM (#1579187)
Makes sense.

I've got to make it as exact as possible when I'm really the only BTFer in Arkansas.
   142. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: August 28, 2005 at 05:35 AM (#1579189)
Arkansas? Are you running a Hot Springs flophouse for gangsters on the run?
   143. CraigK Posted: August 28, 2005 at 05:45 AM (#1579196)
There. Wanna check out my school's baseball field? Go to "Craig3410's Highschool Field" and hit the "Hybrid" button.
   144. Baldrick Posted: August 28, 2005 at 05:48 AM (#1579201)
Baldrick lives very close to me. Too bad I have no idea who Baldrick is.

Blackadder's assistant, obviously.

As of now, I appear to be the only New Hampshire primate.

Nope. I'm (barely) in NH in the fine city of Hanover.
   145. Benji Posted: August 28, 2005 at 06:17 AM (#1579249)
I placed myself northeast of where Amsterdam is. It's actually 30 miles west of Albany.
   146. Benji Posted: August 28, 2005 at 06:39 AM (#1579288)
I tried changing it, and I ended up in Northern Quebec, then New Hampshire amd now I seem to have disappeared altogether. Next time I'll ask one of you young folks to place me.
   147. HCO Posted: August 28, 2005 at 06:44 AM (#1579292)
I didn't think GGC lived where his icon is.

He doesn't. See post 489 in Friday's Lounge.

As of now, I appear to be the only New Hampshire primate.

As of Thursday, I will be one.
   148. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 28, 2005 at 07:10 AM (#1579319)
SABRJoe is the closest Primate to me. If he put the exact location, I'd guess he lives like 10 minutes away from me. And Matt Welch is the close Primate to my place of work, where I really don't work but just post on BTF or MG. Vinay and RGDave (who?) are the closest ones to where I used to go to school.
   149. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 28, 2005 at 07:22 AM (#1579333)
Wait, actually sardonic is closer than both. ####### Yahoo map got me all confused.
   150. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 28, 2005 at 07:44 AM (#1579359)
What a nifty little toy. SABRJoe is by far the closest to me in Southern California, and actually lives about 6 or 7 blocks from Pan Am Park, where I play rec league softball.
   151. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: August 28, 2005 at 07:47 AM (#1579362)
quite a few lurkers posted their locations. weird.

There's no registration on the guestmap site.

Registration scares off lurkers who might otherwise post. And, I imagine, there are a lot of lurkers.

Which is why I throw my lot in with the anti-registration crowd. No randomly interesting people ever pop off posts on the new version.
   152. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: August 28, 2005 at 07:49 AM (#1579365)
RGDave (who?)

You obviously don't spend that much time in the weekday Lounge. :-)

Did you used to go to UCSD? That's where sardonic goes.
   153. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 28, 2005 at 08:12 AM (#1579390)
Did you used to go to UCSD?

Yep. I only went for a semester though. I might be going back there in Spring, but I'm not sure. Its either there or CSULB.
   154. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 28, 2005 at 08:16 AM (#1579398)
As of Thursday, I will be one.

Really? Whereabouts?
   155. fra paolo Posted: August 28, 2005 at 08:17 AM (#1579399)
I'm surprised there are no primates in Detroit.

We all seem to have left. But I marked the house where I grew up.
   156. CFiJ Posted: August 28, 2005 at 09:10 AM (#1579437)
Wow. I'm pretty badass. I tried placing myself without zooming (stupid, I know), and ended up only a few miles north of where I actually live. If I ever get put in charge of an orbital laser satellite system, don't piss me off.
   157. CFiJ Posted: August 28, 2005 at 09:11 AM (#1579438)
Incidently, which where is the login button? There are three links at the top right of the map, but the encoding is screwy...
   158. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: August 28, 2005 at 09:12 AM (#1579439)
I might be going back there in Spring, but I'm not sure. Its either there or CSULB.

Either way, you should attend a yet-to-be-planned San Diego Primate Meetup.
   159. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: August 28, 2005 at 09:12 AM (#1579440)
I tried placing myself without zooming (stupid, I know), and ended up only a few miles north of where I actually live. If I ever get put in charge of an orbital laser satellite system, don't piss me off.

Don't worry, I'll warn the people living a few miles away from me.
   160. SABRJoe Posted: August 28, 2005 at 09:35 AM (#1579446)
SABRJoe is the closest Primate to me. If he put the exact location, I'd guess he lives like 10 minutes away from me.

That is indeed an exact location. I bet Matt Welch can pick it out.

What a nifty little toy. SABRJoe is by far the closest to me in Southern California, and actually lives about 6 or 7 blocks from Pan Am Park, where I play rec league softball.

I know PanAm all too well, although I spent most my days at Heartwell, El Dorado and Stearns.
   161. Dave Bell Posted: August 28, 2005 at 11:03 AM (#1579453)
Coorey may not have posted, but I'm trying!

The zoom is pretty crap for Australia.

Has someone posted this on the Wiki?
   162. Scoriano Flitcraft Posted: August 28, 2005 at 12:14 PM (#1579467)
It says at least 3 Primate shave lived at Brett Hall at RU. I did not, but I have slept in at least 2 rooms there.
   163. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: August 28, 2005 at 12:31 PM (#1579471)
Posted by Bernal Diaz on at 09:53 PM (#1578701)
Miserlou is now officially the only Primate that I am jealous of where they live.


Hey Bernal, I see you used to live in Kendall or thereabouts.
   164. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 28, 2005 at 01:50 PM (#1579491)
Yup, way out in West Kendall just north of Tamiami.
   165. Scoriano Flitcraft Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:16 PM (#1579503)
Thanks for the Charlie Browns placement, BD.
   166. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:22 PM (#1579508)
My pleasure.
   167. PhillyBooster Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:51 PM (#1579537)
So far I am the only Primate in New Jersey south of around Newark.

You'd thihk that for the most densely populated state, there'd be more folks in that wide stretch of Jersey between Philadelphia and New York.
   168. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:57 PM (#1579543)

You'd thihk that for the most densely populated state, there'd be more folks in that wide stretch of Jersey between Philadelphia and New York.


They would post but they are all stuck in traffic.
   169. Most Favored Haitian Status Posted: August 28, 2005 at 02:59 PM (#1579547)
If I ever get put in charge of an orbital laser satellite system, don't piss me off.

Well, make sure the people three or four miles south of me don't piss you off.
   170. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 28, 2005 at 03:02 PM (#1579550)
That's some pretty good snark, Bernal.
   171. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: August 28, 2005 at 03:12 PM (#1579560)
No African primates? surprising
   172. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 28, 2005 at 03:21 PM (#1579563)
When I load the page, I see the map but no markers, no matter how much I zoom in. Is it my setup?
   173. Dan 'The Boy' Werr Posted: August 28, 2005 at 03:56 PM (#1579590)
There used to be an African primate, Toothless.
   174. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: August 28, 2005 at 04:06 PM (#1579600)
No African primates? surprising

Only prehensile tails here.
   175. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 28, 2005 at 04:07 PM (#1579601)
If Mark Ewdard's placing is completely accurate, he lives within a few hundred feet of where I'll be living come May.
   176. richie allen Posted: August 28, 2005 at 07:35 PM (#1580134)
UK People

This seems like as good a time as any to ask if any of you want some free baseball books. I've got too many here and would be happy to shift them for little or nothing.

Lawrence Ritter – Glory of their times
Jim Bouton – I’m glad you didn’t take it personally (follow up to Ball Four)
Roger Kahn – Boys of summer
Eisenberg – From 33rd Street to Camden Yards (An oral history of the Baltimore Orioles)
George F Will – Men at work
Davidoff – The catcher was a spy (the story of Moe Berg)
Red Murff – The Scout
Seidel – Ted Williams
Kashatus – Mike Schmidt
Stein – Mel Ott
Creamer – Babe (Ruth)
Thomas – Walter Johnson
Hank Greenberg – The story of my life
DeValeria & DeValeria – Honus Wagner
Orodenker – The Phillies reader
Winegardner – The Veracruz blues
Stats inc Baseball Scoreboard, 1999, 2000, 2001
Melch – Inside Pitch (minor leagues)
Stats in Scouting notebook, 1999, 2000, 2001
Rushin – Road trip
Costas – Fair ball

If you want them, email me!

cheers
Rich
   177. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 28, 2005 at 07:55 PM (#1580173)
You know, I really like Google Maps, but this is just an awful user experience. It should be much easier to zoom on a particular spot, and it's especially embarassing because other mapping sites implement it better.

It's much easier to zoom on the actual Google Maps site where you can type in an address. I don't know why this site doesn't let you do that.

A9.com maps have the best zooming interface, but I still like Google Maps more. You know you can drag the map on Google, right? If you don't know that, then zooming is probably a lot harder.
   178. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams Posted: August 28, 2005 at 07:59 PM (#1580182)
I agree on the lurkers. There are 5 posts in the Seattle area, and I only penguinmobile and myself. 1 other sounds vaguely familiar, and two are totally foreign to me.

I'm one of the Seattle lurkers. It's not registration that's kept me from posting -- I've been registered for a while -- but I just don't often have a lot of comments to make. :P
   179. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 28, 2005 at 08:00 PM (#1580187)
The Osama bin Laden marker is hilarious.
   180. Dan Szymborski Posted: August 28, 2005 at 08:17 PM (#1580232)
Wow, Larry, you are only 20 minutes away from me. Do you know that you live only a 5-minute drive away from the 2nd-best Thai place I've ever been to? Let me know when you're free and I'll buy you lunch.
   181. Chris Dial Posted: August 28, 2005 at 08:17 PM (#1580236)
Someone put a b in Detroit indicating they would be there in Sep 05. No idea who/what though.
   182. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 28, 2005 at 08:28 PM (#1580271)
There is a Yankee fan who simply uses "b" as his username.
   183. Dan Szymborski Posted: August 28, 2005 at 08:30 PM (#1580277)
Which is why I throw my lot in with the anti-registration crowd. No randomly interesting people ever pop off posts on the new version.

If we had not implemented registration, there wouldn't be a Baseball Primer/Baseball Think Factory today.
   184. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 28, 2005 at 08:38 PM (#1580305)
If we had not implemented registration, there wouldn't be a Baseball Primer/Baseball Think Factory today.

Aint tht the truth.
   185. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 28, 2005 at 08:43 PM (#1580308)
If we had not implemented registration, there wouldn't be a Baseball Primer/Baseball Think Factory today.

I tend to agree, Dan. As one who was initially resistant to the idea of registration, I have to say wading through BTF is a much more pleasant experience than it was with the old Baseball Primer. There were just too many asshats clogging up the site pre-changeover that they outweighed the random interesting people who might be afraid of registration now.
   186. HCO Posted: August 28, 2005 at 08:45 PM (#1580313)
If we had not implemented registration, there wouldn't be a Baseball Primer/Baseball Think Factory today.

What does that mean?

On normal Google Maps, you can double click on a location to center it, then zoom in. On this one, double clicking has been reassigned to a different function, and I don't see any way of recentering.
   187. Dan Szymborski Posted: August 28, 2005 at 08:58 PM (#1580342)
What does that mean?

None of us had an desire to continue running the site as it was.

As for resistance to registration, we made a strong effort to just about the easiest registration process ever. No name, address, demographic information, no "newsletter" that you automatically receive, no super secret validations, no generated verification codes to enter. Stick in a user name and a valid e-mail address and you're set.
   188. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: August 28, 2005 at 08:59 PM (#1580343)
What does that mean?

The menace of stupid anonymous posts and misappropriation of identities were causing Jim and Dan (and maybe a few other admin types) to invest a ton of time in policing the site, to a point where they (justifiably) were quickly losing interest in continuing to support and maintain the forums. Had registration not solved many of the problems, Dan's saying that they would have long since past the point where they'd be interested in keeping the BTF online.
   189. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 28, 2005 at 09:02 PM (#1580348)
And as for The Spanish Inquestion guy who is so in favor of abolishing regisration, start your own ####### site with no registration if it bothers you so much.
   190. Spahn Insane Posted: August 28, 2005 at 10:19 PM (#1580477)
I can't get the map to open in Safari. Suggestions?
   191. HCO Posted: August 28, 2005 at 10:24 PM (#1580481)
I don't really have a problem with registration, but I think Expression Engine was a very poor choice compared to PHPNuke or Slashcode.
   192. Dan Szymborski Posted: August 28, 2005 at 10:28 PM (#1580484)
We really hated Slashcode - we were going to use that for awhile. Don't know if Jim looked at PHPNuke or not.
   193. Andere Richtingen Posted: August 28, 2005 at 11:00 PM (#1580526)
I can't get the map to open in Safari. Suggestions?

It loads for me. What OS are you using?

Otherwise, I'll tell you what I always tell people when something that should run for them won't: Repair disk permissions, restart and try again.
   194. TFTIO is familiar with the works of Pablo Neruda Posted: August 28, 2005 at 11:34 PM (#1580558)
Slashcode is garbage, and EE doesn't look to be much better, but the biggest problem is the use of MySQL.
   195. TDF, situational idiot Posted: August 29, 2005 at 12:21 AM (#1580612)
How do you post onto the map? It says "click on teh map", but that doesn't do anything but center the image.

And who is Danny, who lives 3 blocks from me?
   196. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: August 29, 2005 at 01:39 AM (#1580740)
How do you post onto the map? It says "click on teh map", but that doesn't do anything but center the image.


I have the problem too
   197. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 29, 2005 at 01:41 AM (#1580746)
Double-click
   198. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 29, 2005 at 02:00 AM (#1580798)
Double-click

It doesn't appear to be working anymore, Pops.
   199. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: August 29, 2005 at 02:02 AM (#1580810)
I am F'ing double clicking
   200. Gaylord Perry the Platypus (oi!) Posted: August 29, 2005 at 02:05 AM (#1580819)
I got an error message from Firefox a while ago that the page was killing my browser. I think the guestmap site is just overwhelmed by the mass of primates.
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