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Bucs Dugout: Smizik: Russell, Huntington Should be Fired if 2010 Team Doesn’t Perform

Charlie says…

Bob Smizik writes that Neal Huntington and John Russell will deserve to be fired this year. His evidence? The Pirates’ Spring Training performances.

  With that in mind, we should know better than to pay much attention to what the Pirates are doing in Florida. But their performance—the magnitude of their ineptitude—screams for our attention…

  It’s pretty easy now to see why the Pirates have failed to extend the contracts of Russell and general manager Neal Huntington. Both are in the final year of their contracts and baseball protocol usually calls for an extension to prevent lame-duck status for such key employees. But if Russell and Huntington escaped lame-duck status they would not permit them to fill the vitally important scapegoat status. Both men could fill that role nicely, and on merit, if the team plays as badly as their personnel indicates it will.

  Nothing like a July firing to appease some of the fans, I don’t wish that on anyone. But the way this team is shaping up, someone is going to have to take the fall and Huntington and/or Russell fit that description almost perfectly.

I don’t even think the Pirates’ regular season record has much to say about Neal Huntington’s job performance at this point, let alone their Spring Training record. It’s funny, everyone seems to know that a team’s Spring Training record is basically meaningless, until it happens to confirm what they already think. The 2010 Pirates aren’t going to be good, but we hardly need to look at Spring Training performances to know that, and the ‘10 Pirates have had no chance of being good since several years before Huntington arrived.

Repoz Posted: March 29, 2010 at 02:05 PM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Pequod Posted: March 29, 2010 at 03:08 PM (#3487877)
Yes, keep firing people until the team gets good. Gotta send a message!!~!1
   2. RJ in TO Posted: March 29, 2010 at 03:17 PM (#3487881)
How long has Huntington been there? Is two years really enough time for a GM to dig out from the sort of mess that Huntington was left with, especially given that the Pirates don't exactly have a massive ball of cash to work with.

I'm not going to pretend that I know whether or not Huntington has done a good job, but it does seem like the number of completely pointless and boneheaded moves has greatly decreased under his watch.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 29, 2010 at 03:40 PM (#3487897)
Huntington should be judged by the development of the young players and the production of the farm system. Wins and losses are basically irrelevent at this stage.
   4. The Pequod Posted: March 29, 2010 at 03:58 PM (#3487911)
Huntington took the job in late September of 2007, so he's had two seasons and two drafts.

I haven't followed the Pirates especially closely, but my general sense is that he's gotten high marks for saying the right things and willingness to do things a little bit differently (spreading draft money around, cleaning house, etc), if not necessarily the moves themselves (Tony Sanchez at 4th overall, questionable returns in trades, etc). I also remember reaching the conclusion that he shares Mark Shapiro's fascination with soft tossers (ugh), but I can't think of a specific example off the top of my head.

Maybe there's reason to question him, but it's not because the major league team stinks. They were headed nowhere before he got there and Huntington seems to be respected in the game, so two years in is at least two years too early to call for his head.
   5. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Molina Posted: March 29, 2010 at 04:13 PM (#3487916)
Russell, Huntington Should be Fired if 2010 Team Doesn't Perform Miracle

FIFY

Seriously, which this franchise, what is considered a good performance? 70 wins? 4th place? Winning more games than the Nationals? Still being in the Wild Card discussion on August 1st?
   6. JPWF13 Posted: March 29, 2010 at 04:22 PM (#3487923)
Huntington took the job in late September of 2007, so he's had two seasons and two drafts.


That long?

Considering where the team was when he took over 2 years really isn't enough, 3 probably isn't either, but could be if he shows a Dayton Moore level of incompetence regarding MLB talent evaluation/roster construction...

Could these "off with his head now" types at least wait to see if Pedro Alvarez is a MLB player?
   7. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: March 29, 2010 at 04:22 PM (#3487924)
All I care about is Pedro Alvarez's ETA. When's he coming up?

Edit: Apparently JPWF and I are thinking along the same lines.
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 29, 2010 at 04:53 PM (#3487943)
I also remember reaching the conclusion that he shares Mark Shapiro's fascination with soft tossers (ugh), but I can't think of a specific example off the top of my head.


For the record, I haven't seen any evidence of this at all. If anything, he leans too heavily toward hard throwers with no control (Craig Hansen, Tyler Yates, Denny Bautista, etc.).
   9. Russ Posted: March 29, 2010 at 04:58 PM (#3487948)

For the record, I haven't seen any evidence of this at all. If anything, he leans too heavily toward hard throwers with no control (Craig Hansen, Tyler Yates, Denny Bautista, etc.).


And the qualms about his trading record are pretty unfounded as well. I think the McLouth trade was not that great, but other than that, he has done OK. The difference is that NH is not Littlefieldian in his interviews after trades... Littlefield was always full of complete crap after trades, underselling what he was giving up and overselling what he was getting. I think NH is much more moderated in his comments, and so it seems like he's bringing in less talent and sending out more, even though the record shows that it's almost certainly the opposite.
   10. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: March 29, 2010 at 05:22 PM (#3487976)
I actually sort of like where the Pirates are going this year. They don't really have major-league ready talent in their system, so they picked up a bunch of talented but disappointing players to fill out their roster. Lastings Milledge, Ryan Church, Jeff Clement, Neal Cotts, Javier Lopez, Wil Ledezma, even guys like Bobby Crosby and Ronnie Cedeno are worth a look-see.

None of them are expensive, so even if none pan out, the Pirates are just back where they started.
   11. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 29, 2010 at 05:27 PM (#3487983)
I think NH is much more moderated in his comments...


It honestly kind of creeps me out how compulsively honest he is when talking to the press. Especially after Littlefield.
   12. JPWF13 Posted: March 29, 2010 at 05:40 PM (#3488002)
None of them are expensive, so even if none pan out, the Pirates are just back where they started.


Plus, the odds are that one or two will pan out.

Minaya does this too, sort of, except he does it with guys in their 30s, who haven't been good in years, he signs 3-4 of them, and low and behold, one of them will actually play well- the problme is that:
1: Yippee Jose Valentin/Fernando Tatis juts had an unexpectedly good year
2: They are 35 and very unlikely to repeat, but he re-signs them

OTOH if one of Huntington's guys pans out he likely has a "keeper"
   13. Cris E Posted: March 29, 2010 at 06:25 PM (#3488075)
None of them are expensive, so even if none pan out, the Pirates are just back where they started.


Actually, they're a year closer to having the kids ready to play in the bigs. There's a certain element of creating a distraction while waiting for them to develop.
   14. Russ Posted: March 29, 2010 at 07:25 PM (#3488133)
It honestly kind of creeps me out how compulsively honest he is when talking to the press. Especially after Littlefield.


It's totally weird, right? It's a completely foreign feeling to read NH's analysis of his own trade and have me thinking in my own mind, "Dude, it's really not that bad. There's some definite upside here." That's why I feel somewhat confident about NH's ability to get the ship righted (even if it's not going to be sailing into the postseason any time soon). He seems to be acutely (and publicly) aware of the mess that the franchise is in right now.
   15. regfairfield Posted: March 29, 2010 at 09:07 PM (#3488234)
If Neil Huntington isn't smart enough to make up complete crap to make people happy, how can he be smart enough to fix the Pirates?
   16. Crispix Attacks Posted: March 29, 2010 at 09:09 PM (#3488237)
Making Bob Smizik and Ron Cook happy is not only useless, but impossible. Not trying to do so is a good sign.
   17. regfairfield Posted: March 29, 2010 at 09:21 PM (#3488243)
Making stat dorks on the Internet happy is like making the guy who complains about Scratchy's rib cage being a magic xylophone happy. The beat writers represent the vast majority of the fan base, just tell them some crap they want to hear about how Gorky's Hernandez's speed will make him a true leadoff man in the future and keep doing what you're doing.
   18. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: March 29, 2010 at 09:21 PM (#3488244)
I was rather critical of some of those moves the Pirates made last season, but if a guy is going to completely blow the team up and start all over from scratch, he ought to at least be given a real chance to see if he can actually do it.
   19. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 29, 2010 at 09:29 PM (#3488253)
Making Bob Smizik and Ron Cook happy is not only useless, but impossible.


Nonsense!

To make Bob Smizik happy, you sign Pokey Reese. To make Ron Cook happy, you trade for Randall Simon.

What could be easier?
   20. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: March 29, 2010 at 11:47 PM (#3488368)
Please don't click the link. We can't keep supporting morons.
   21. Crispix Attacks Posted: March 30, 2010 at 12:39 AM (#3488396)
The link was carefully crafted to go to the BucsDugout blog, not the actual Smizik article.

The beat writers represent the vast majority of the fan base, just tell them some crap they want to hear about how Gorky's Hernandez's speed will make him a true leadoff man in the future and keep doing what you're doing.

Over the past decade, Bonifay's Littlefield's love for this rhetoric, and the beat writers' happiness with such rhetoric during spring training, did little to make the fans happy once it became clear, every year by May 15th, that the team stunk. I think that the front office's new and different approach to the media is convincing people that if nothing else, the front office actually has a different plan now. And thus if the Huntington-led team ever has a good season, it won't seem like a fluke.

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