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Baseball Primer Newsblog— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand
Monday, June 08, 2009
You mean it’s not the LaRoche’s twin OPS+ of 116?
The Pirates’ trades of Jason Bay, Xavier Nady and Nate McLouth were rebuilding deals. But that doesn’t mean the next couple of years have to be that much more painful than they otherwise would have been. The Pirates’ defense with Bay, Nady and McLouth in the outfield was a disaster. Without Bay and Nady it’s become far better, and the improvements are likely to continue now that the Bucs have replaced McLouth with Andrew McCutchen. These changes offset most of the losses the Pirates took on offense, which is one reason why the Pirates’ 2009 W-L record is practically identical to their 2008 W-L record before the Bay and Nady trades. So even though the Pirates got back prospects in these deals, they may not have made their 2009 team that much worse.
...But perhaps the main reason the Pirates haven’t gotten worse is that they’ve changed from a poor defensive team to a very good one, especially in the outfield. The fundamental complexion of the team is different. This isn’t a change that’s particularly easy for fans to see, which is one reason there continues to be lingering anger about the trades. The Pirates’ old outfielders were active impediments to the Pirates’ pitching staff, because they just didn’t get the job done in the field. Now they have outfielders who do.
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1. jyjjy Posted: June 08, 2009 at 11:24 AM (#3209890)Nady: .327/.386/.543
The entire team: .260/.329/.410
This year: .267/.333/.396
By game 56 they were 26-30 with 280 runs scored and 307 allowed. This year they are 26-30 with 247 runs scored and 247 allowed. Was Nady and Bay in the outfield really worth 60 runs allowed and 33 runs scored?
I kind of doubt it. The biggest difference between the two years is the big runs allowed games. This year the Bucs have only had 5 games in which they surrendered 9 runs or more. LAst year they had more than that before April even ended. They had 11 by their 56th game.
Pirates 2008
The Pirates used 26 pitchers last year and 19/26 of them had a season WHIP of 1.50 or more.
For the Brewers that number is 7 out of 20.
For the Astros it's 8 out of 20.
For the Reds it's 13 out of 23.
For the Cardinals it's 8 out of 24.
For the Cubs it's 6 out of 23, and none of the 6 threw more than 28 innings.
Whereas the Pirates rotation, as a whole, went 33-67 with a WHIP of 1.621.
And an ERA of 5.36.
And gave up a batting line of .300/.368/.473.
Against the average member of the Pirates rotation, the average hitter hit like Derrek Lee or Nate McLouth. And that "average hitter" includes pitchers.
Just imagine what those stats would have been like without Paul Maholm.
Karstens and Ohlendorf are a vast improvement.
Either way, the change is a welcome one.
Defensive efficiency: .709 (last year .675). Over 1532 balls in play (BFP-HR-SO-BB-HBP) that's 52 plays, or about 40 runs.
Hurray for Simple Fielding Runs!
Which in turn comes back to not having to use Herrera, Morris, et al.
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