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Saturday, October 20, 2012

Buster Posey, Fernando Rodney win 2012 MLB.Comeback Player of the Year awards

In addition, Rodney has been named Major League Baseball’s Delivery Man of the Year, an award that recognizes the most outstanding relief pitcher of the regular season as voted on by a panel from Major League Baseball.

It didn’t even dawn on me that Adam Dunn or Alex Rios would lose this “award” to Rodney.

chisoxcollector Posted: October 20, 2012 at 04:55 PM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Shock Posted: October 20, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4277590)
I would have loved to see Dunn win this year, and then hit .270 next year and win it again. That would have been funny.

Rodney, okay. That ERA is nice. Four unearned runs though.
   2. Misirlou is too lofty, and grabs up all the light Posted: October 20, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4277599)
Rodney, okay. That ERA is nice. Four unearned runs though.


1.08 RA is pretty damned nice also.

Since 1960, minimum of 60 IP, only Paps in 2006 (1.05), Kimbrel this year (1.01), and Fingers in 1981 (1.04) had a better RA. Kimbrel had 12 fewer IP than Rodney.
   3. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: October 20, 2012 at 06:35 PM (#4277635)
In order to win comeback player of the year, don't you need to have something to come back to? Rodney was never very good before this year.
   4. chisoxcollector Posted: October 20, 2012 at 07:02 PM (#4277641)
I fully expected Dunn to win, though I thought Rios deserved to win. Rodney kind of came out of nowhere, for reasons Dewey mentioned.

Shouldn't Kimbrel or Chapman have won Delivery Man of the Year?
   5. Walt Davis Posted: October 20, 2012 at 08:03 PM (#4277665)
Who sponsors the Delivery Man award? FedEx? Dominos? Rosenberg & Orcutt OB-Gyn?
   6. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 20, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4277693)
Rodney? Adam Greenberg would have been a better choice.

Incidentally, how in the world has Adam Dunn managed to play 1700 games in the wild card era without making it to the postseason?
   7. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 20, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4277701)
Incidentally, how in the world has Adam Dunn managed to play 1700 games in the wild card era without making it to the postseason?
Same way Randy Winn did, I suppose. Winn, cruelly, was even on a playoff team--the 2010 Yankees--but was released before October. He also was on the Mariners in 2003, when they won 93 games but finished third; he played four and a half seasons in SF, leaving before their title run and was on the only Cardinals team in four years to miss the playoffs. All of which is to say, I suspect the answer is just bad luck.

Vernon Wells is over 1600, no other active player has more than 1500. Bobby Abreu has been in the playoffs a few times, but never made the World Series; if he gets a job somewhere next year (unlikely, but possible, I suppose) he could crack the top ten for that. Carlos Beltran is just one win away from taking his name off that list.
   8. Accent Shallow Posted: October 20, 2012 at 09:42 PM (#4277717)
Vernon Wells is over 1600, no other active player has more than 1500.


If Mr. Wells had been better the past few years, perhaps he isn't on this list.
   9. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: October 21, 2012 at 04:58 PM (#4278169)
If Mr. Wells had been better the past few years, perhaps he isn't on this list.


A-friggin'-men.

Man, I still can't believe that in addition to taking Vernon Wells, the Angels gave up Napoli AND decided to be gentlemanly and absorb 90+% of the salary owed to Wells.

Just mind boggling, even two years later.

   10. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 21, 2012 at 05:48 PM (#4278182)
If Mr. Wells had been better the past few years, perhaps he isn't on this list.

A helpful point to remember when looking at Dunn, too. In fact, Dunn has been even less valuable than Wells over their careers (13.8 bWAR to 25.7). Dunn was unlucky to have started his career with a Reds team that was embarking on nine straight sub-.500 seasons. But in 2006 he had 0.1 bWAR for a team that lost the division by 3.5 games; this year he had 0.9 bWAR for a team that lost the division by 3 games. If he had been an above-average all-around player, those teams could have made the playoffs.
   11. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: October 21, 2012 at 09:50 PM (#4278525)
Who sponsors the Delivery Man award?


Apparently, nobody does anymore. Used to be DHL Express.

There sure are a lot of awards for closers, ain't there?
   12. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 21, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4278648)
I actually just went to BB-ref to find out if Ken Griffey Jr. had ever played in the postseason. Answer: yes.
   13. Shock Posted: October 22, 2012 at 12:52 AM (#4278692)
Since 1970, most batting games with no playoffs:

Name Games Years Teams
Buddy Bell 2405 1972-1989 CLE,TEX,CIN,HOU
Toby Harrah 2147 1971-1986 WS2,TEX,CLE,NYA
Adam Dunn 1721 2001-2012 CIN,ARI,WAS,CHA
Randy Winn 1717 1998-2010 TBA,SEA,SFN,NYA,SLN
Damion Easley 1706 1992-2008 CAL,DET,TBA,FLO,ARI,NYN
Jeromy Burnitz 1694 1993-2006 CLE,ML4,MIL,NYN,LAN,COL,CHN,PIT
Mike Hargrove 1666 1974-1985 TEX,SDN,CLE
Hubie Brooks 1645 1980-1994 NYN,MON,LAN,CAL,KCA
Willie Montanez 1624 1970-1982 PHI,ATL,SFN,NYN,TEX,SDN,MON,PIT
Vernon Wells 1601 1999-2012 TOR,LAA
Pete O'Brien 1567 1982-1993 TEX,CLE,SEA
Andre Thornton 1565 1973-1987 CHN,MON,CLE
Rick Manning 1555 1975-1987 CLE,ML4
Bruce Bochte 1538 1974-1986 CAL,CLE,SEA,OAK
Joe Orsulak 1494 1983-1997 PIT,BAL,NYN,FLO,MON
David Segui 1456 1990-2004 BAL,NYN,MON,SEA,TOR,CLE,TEX
Jerry Morales 1422 1970-1983 SDN,CHN,SLN,DET,NYN
Jason Thompson 1418 1976-1986 DET,CAL,PIT,MON
Jose Vidro 1418 1997-2008 MON,WAS,SEA
Joel Youngblood 1408 1976-1989 CIN,SLN,NYN,MON,SFN
Danny Tartabull 1406 1984-1997 SEA,KCA,NYA,OAK,CHA,PHI
Jack Wilson 1370 2001-2012 PIT,SEA,ATL
Harold Reynolds 1374 1983-1994 SEA,BAL,CAL
Bobby Higginson 1362 1995-2005 DET
Don Kessinger 1355 1970-1979 CHN,CHA,SLN

Sigh, one day, primer will let me post nice tables. That looks so pretty when I paste it.
   14. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:31 AM (#4278703)
Doesn't the 'code' tag do pre-formatted text stuff?

Also BBRef rates Dunn as essentially the worst defensive player of all time. He's obviously not a good defender, but I think the numbers there are overkill. In 2009 he had an OPS+ of 144 and BBRef has him as below replacement level. That seems like a stretch to me. Also, Dunn was surprisingly competent as a first baseman this year.
   15. Russ Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:51 AM (#4278719)

Also BBRef rates Dunn as essentially the worst defensive player of all time. He's obviously not a good defender, but I think the numbers there are overkill. In 2009 he had an OPS+ of 144 and BBRef has him as below replacement level. That seems like a stretch to me. Also, Dunn was surprisingly competent as a first baseman this year.


The current state of the art fielding numbers are basically the defensive equivalent of batting average. For people that are really good, they look good; for people that are really bad, they look bad;, but the noise around them is so large that pretty much anything can happen in a given year. I'm assuming that systems that try to project talent as opposed to performance do a pretty mighty regression to the player and position averages going forward.

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