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Wednesday, August 16, 2017

Buxton’s catch at the wall |

This Buxton guy is pretty good.

Since he’s returned from the DL his bat is showing some life as well:


Jim Furtado Posted: August 16, 2017 at 08:54 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. PreservedFish Posted: August 16, 2017 at 09:09 AM (#5514311)
I just noticed that he's #2 on the Twins in WAR, with unworldly fielding numbers.
   2. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 16, 2017 at 10:38 AM (#5514376)
Yes, Buxton routinely displays freakish athleticism just about every night.
   3. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM (#5514379)
I really hope he figures it out at the plate, because he's such an exciting player to watch. He's still only 23, so there's certainly time.
   4. Bug Selig Posted: August 16, 2017 at 12:37 PM (#5514482)
He's a heck of a defender, but that clip doesn't show it.
   5. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 16, 2017 at 06:34 PM (#5514746)
I only see him on the highlight reels. Are we talking Devon White/Mike Cameron good? Or are we talking Andruw Jones good?
   6. Sweatpants Posted: August 16, 2017 at 06:38 PM (#5514752)
Genuine question, from someone who never got to watch White or Cameron regularly: did Andruw actually look better than they did?
   7. Walt Davis Posted: August 16, 2017 at 06:51 PM (#5514765)
Nobody "looked" better than Devon White -- the man just glided across the field.

But the young Andruw was better. It's hard to know how much of it was just appearance because he played so shallow but young Andruw could somehow get from short straightaway CF to deep LCF to grab a gapper. At his best, it was like watching Willie May rob Vic Wirtz every couple of weeks.

In bad analogy terms, Devon White was Cary Grant while young Andruw was classic deNiro.
   8. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 16, 2017 at 07:00 PM (#5514774)
I grew up in SoCal watching White in the 80's, the man would just ghost across enormous expanses of space and make plays. Then of course in true Angels fashion at the time, they got rid of him in his prime because he was only a ".250 hitter"

I had no idea he had accumulated 47 WAR. That is a heck of a career.
   9. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 16, 2017 at 07:19 PM (#5514803)
And of course I just looked at Cameron's BR page and he has 46.5 WAR, how good is that? Essentially the exact same as Devon White. 2 slightly different paths(Cameron the better hitter), but 2 great fielding CF with nearly identical overall value.
Now I need to get back to work before I start looking up all the great fielding CF I can recall seeing in my lifetime..starting with Paul Blair...
   10. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: August 17, 2017 at 12:45 AM (#5515073)
Is he so good at defense that he hurts his fellow outfielders' fielding numbers? I ask mainly due to left fielder Eddie Rosario, who (by bWAR) rated as a very good left fielder in 2015 and 2016 (when Buxton spent most of the year in AAA), but now this year, with Buxton playing every day, Rosario is 10 runs below average. Could that be explained by Buxton catching every single ball hit into the gap in left center (that is, plays that Rosario would have made back when Clete Thomas and Danny Santana were patrolling center field?)
   11. Walt Davis Posted: August 17, 2017 at 07:45 AM (#5515089)
#10 -- I suspect that is one of the great un-answered questions. My guess is probably not, you don't see that many discretionary balls to the gap.

#9: Sorry, Blair's only got 38 WAR

CF (min 85%) by Rfield:

(Andruw 233)
Mays 183
Blair 174
White 135
Lofton 104
Davis 104
Maddox 101 (37 WAR)
Flood 99

Carlos Gomez 88 I believe is the leader in the DRS era.

Cameron is down at 72, just behind Bourn and Ashburn. 1-Dog is at 82.

Andruw is in parentheses because apparently he played enough non-CF late to miss the 85% cut-off but those are his CF years Rfield numbers. He's also credited with 220 TZ in CF (he overlaps) so leads by either measure.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: August 17, 2017 at 08:01 AM (#5515092)
Using dWAR, here are the greatest defensive careers ever, for each position (and their overall rank), based on whatever b-r lists first ... might have missed somebody at the less obvious positions

C: Pudge2 29 (t8) ... Carter
1B: (Erstad 10, 183) ... looks like Chance, arguably Pujols or Hernandez
2B: Maz 24 (20)
SS: Ozzie 43 dWAR (#1)
3B: Brooks 39 (#3)
LF: Gardner 10 (202)
CF: Andruw 24 (19)
RF: Heyward 12 (141) ... he will probably fall back behind Clemente/Barfield as he ages ... also DRS vs TZ issues (he has fewer TZ)

None of those adjusted for actual playing time at the position just that it's where most of their time came (I think that's how b-r does it).

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