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Wednesday, February 06, 2013

Calcaterra: A bunch of ex quarterbacks to compete for a job as a knuckleball pitcher with the Diamondbacks

MLB Network is debuting a new series next week called “The Next Knuckler.” The concept: several former college (and pro) quarterbacks are going to learn to throw a knuckleball under the instruction of Tim Wakefield. The best knuckleballer at the end of the series will get an invite to Arizona Diamondbacks’ spring training. The quarterbacks: John David Booty, Josh Booty, Doug Flutie, David Greene and Ryan Perrilloux…

The show debuts on Wednewday, February 13th at 9PM.

(But may be delayed until Smarch.)

The District Attorney Posted: February 06, 2013 at 12:33 PM | 58 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The District Attorney Posted: February 06, 2013 at 02:00 PM (#4363960)
Awww, he fixed the typo.
   2. Drexl Spivey Posted: February 06, 2013 at 02:02 PM (#4363964)
I would have named the show BOOTY BOOTY FLUTIE!
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 06, 2013 at 02:21 PM (#4364000)
Is this a real thing or just for a show? Because I have seriously proposed this idea for years now, except with real baseball players, not ex-QBs. Take some guys on the verge of being out of pro baseball completely, train them to use the knuckler, and see if any can achieve success. A knuckleballer would be a great roster-saver for a small market club as a 5th starter/long man who could sop up blowout innings, and allow you to go to a four man rotation and/or allow the rest of the pen to be very specialized. Even better if the knuckleballer can hit a little and be a bench bat.
   4. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: February 06, 2013 at 02:22 PM (#4364001)
Booty, Booty, Flutie and Green sounds like the worlds most fabulous legal firm.
   5. AROM Posted: February 06, 2013 at 02:25 PM (#4364006)
Sounds more like a boy band lineup to me.
   6. DA Baracus Posted: February 06, 2013 at 02:27 PM (#4364009)
Was Erik Ainge not available?
   7. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 06, 2013 at 02:27 PM (#4364011)
Flutie's 50 friggin years old.

Which, I guess, makes him a mere pup in the knuckleball universe.
   8. AROM Posted: February 06, 2013 at 02:32 PM (#4364019)
Flutie is 50 years old. Older than any knuckleballer ever, or any MLB pitcher period except for Satchel.

   9. AROM Posted: February 06, 2013 at 02:32 PM (#4364021)
Coke's on me Dan
   10. esseff Posted: February 06, 2013 at 02:53 PM (#4364060)
Booty, Booty, Flutie and Green sounds like the worlds most fabulous legal firm.


Sounds more like a boy band lineup to me.


I'm thinking Art Fern's "Tea Time Movie:" Josh Booty, John David Booty, Doug Flutie, Shooty Babbitt and Rex the Wonder Horse in "Bambi Goes All the Way for a Buck"
   11. DJS and the Infinite Sadness Posted: February 06, 2013 at 02:54 PM (#4364061)
See, if I knew The Booty Brothers were doing to do a media project together, I'd have thought they were going to start a porno company.
   12. JJ1986 Posted: February 06, 2013 at 03:02 PM (#4364085)
Josh Booty means a bit more to baseball than "ex-quarterback".
   13. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: February 06, 2013 at 03:23 PM (#4364133)
Doug Flutie... When I was a kid growing up in Canada and learning to like football (something I never acheived), Flutie was a hero of mine. Him and Warren Moon actually. This is when the CFL still mattered. A little, at least.
   14. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: February 06, 2013 at 03:25 PM (#4364140)
And for some reasons, this is what I remember him most for...
   15. Greg K Posted: February 06, 2013 at 03:29 PM (#4364150)
Doug Flutie... When I was a kid growing up in Canada and learning to like football (something I never acheived), Flutie was a hero of mine. Him and Warren Moon actually. This is when the CFL still mattered. A little, at least.

A discussion in the NFL thread turned to bad weather games, so I took a stroll down memory lane watching clips of the 1996 Grey Cup on youtube.

The McManus to Eddie Brown juggle catch, Jimmy "The Jet" Cunningham, Gizmo Williams, and of course Doug Flutie...all in the snow.

Now that was some fun football. For me, football isn't football if it's not played in snow.

The entire game is actually on youtube, but here's Brown's catch.
   16. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 06, 2013 at 03:55 PM (#4364187)
Flutie is 50 years old. Older than any knuckleballer ever, or any MLB pitcher period except for Satchel.


He's only 26 days older than Jamie Moyer.
   17. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 06, 2013 at 04:05 PM (#4364195)
A discussion in the NFL thread turned to bad weather games, so I took a stroll down memory lane watching clips of the 1996 Grey Cup on youtube.
I was at that game.

A memorable night on a bunch of levels: A snowstorm when the forecast was for a half-centimeter of snow, the game itself, the Cuban cigars my brother and I stupidly smoked in a closed car because we didn't want to stand outside and we couldn't take them back to the States, the guy sitting behind us who appeared to be a Tourette's sufferer who had gone off his medication, and his mentally challenged daughter who alternated between bawling that her dad wouldn't take his medication and wondering where Hamilton's mascot T.C. was.

I have never been that cold for that long in my life.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: February 06, 2013 at 04:13 PM (#4364206)
Am I missing something here? The show debuts as pitchers and catchers report or later. Doesn't that mean we'll know who won before it even starts because they'll be in DBacks spring training? Or are we talking an invite to "extended spring training" or to 2014 spring training?

Anyway, real baseball starts soon. We needed fake baseball back in Dec and Jan, not now.
   19. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: February 06, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4364215)
Mitch Mustain pitched in the White Sox organization last year. He's probably some combination of not famous enough and not out-of-baseball enough for the show.
   20. zonk Posted: February 06, 2013 at 04:22 PM (#4364225)
This is when the CFL still mattered. A little, at least.


Mark Tressman will be changing all that.
   21. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: February 06, 2013 at 04:30 PM (#4364244)

Am I missing something here? The show debuts as pitchers and catchers report or later. Doesn't that mean we'll know who won before it even starts because they'll be in DBacks spring training?


They'll just have him wear a bag on his head during all of spring training.
   22. phredbird Posted: February 06, 2013 at 04:53 PM (#4364293)
it's pronounced boo-TAY.
   23. crict Posted: February 06, 2013 at 05:03 PM (#4364313)
HIMYM just had an episode revolving around the 1996 Grey Cup halftime show. No snow though.
   24. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: February 06, 2013 at 05:06 PM (#4364316)
And for some reasons, this is what I remember him most for

He used to talk about the drop kick when he was with the Bears. What I remember him saying was that you could do a drop kick from anywhere in the field, not just behind the line of scrimmage. So his theory was that you could have a situation where time was running out, let's say only 10 seconds to go on the other team's 45, down by 1. The defense would assume you were going to try a hail mary. They wouldn't care if you passed to the middle of the field on the 20 yard line since there wouldn't be enough time to set up for the field goal. So you send all your guys but one to the end zone, and all their defenders are there too. You pass to your receiver on the 20 who drop kicks for 3 points, you win.

I'm guessing you can't actually do that, but he had certainly practiced drop kicks to the point where I'm not surprised he talked a head coach into letting him do it.
   25. Greg K Posted: February 06, 2013 at 05:12 PM (#4364327)
HIMYM just had an episode revolving around the 1996 Grey Cup halftime show. No snow though.

Weird, considering it's generally known as "The Snow Bowl". I seem to recall they're usually good on attention to detail for stuff like that.

Was it at least in Hamilton?
   26. SoSH U at work Posted: February 06, 2013 at 05:13 PM (#4364330)
I'm guessing you can't actually do that, but he had certainly practiced drop kicks to the point where I'm not surprised he talked a head coach into letting him do it.


It was still within the rules when he talked about it. The NFL wiped that option out a few years ago because, I guess, that would have been fun to see.
   27. Ron J2 Posted: February 06, 2013 at 05:25 PM (#4364374)
#24 Sure you could do it (as #26 says, rules have changed), it's just tricky to actually make the kick.

I used to referee touch football and we played with Canadian scoring rules (ie a single point possible on a punt) so the pass and kick play was always a possibility on the last play of the half. In practice though I never saw anybody get more than 20 yards on a kick. Usually more like 5.

Now if you recruited an Aussie rules player -- well some of them are pretty effective on the run. Though all of the really long kicks happen on dead ball plays.
   28. DA Baracus Posted: February 06, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4364388)
   29. Greg K Posted: February 06, 2013 at 05:35 PM (#4364390)
Now if you recruited an Aussie rules player -- well some of them are pretty effective on the run. Though all of the really long kicks happen on dead ball plays.

Speaking of which, while perusing youtube for CFL clips I saw an ESPN documentary on Australian punters. I didn't realize there were so many of them, though I suppose it only makes sense considering Aussie Rules. A couple of the guys talk about it as a retirement plan...when your knees go and you can't run so well anymore, retire and join the NFL!
   30. SoSH U at work Posted: February 06, 2013 at 05:41 PM (#4364405)
The drop kick was not eliminated. It is a legal play. Section 8.


I didn't say the drop kick was eliminated. I was referring to Greg's question about the drop kick being able to be taken from anywhere on the field. That once was the rule, up until the late 90s/early 00s. The NFL changed that rule to require it be taken from behind the line of scrimmage, as is the case with other kicks.

   31. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 06, 2013 at 05:45 PM (#4364423)
HIMYM just had an episode revolving around the 1996 Grey Cup halftime show. No snow though.

Weird, considering it's generally known as "The Snow Bowl". I seem to recall they're usually good on attention to detail for stuff like that.

Was it at least in Hamilton?


Yes. They mentioned Ivor Wynn Stadium and Hamilton correctly.
   32. DA Baracus Posted: February 06, 2013 at 05:48 PM (#4364427)
I was referring to Greg's question about the drop kick being able to be taken from anywhere on the field.


D-oh. My bad.
   33. boteman Posted: February 06, 2013 at 05:55 PM (#4364437)
So THIS is why there is an "OT: Football" thread, eh?
   34. booond Posted: February 06, 2013 at 06:16 PM (#4364471)
Flutie Drop Kick

I'd bet on Flutie over the field.
   35. Posada Posse Posted: February 06, 2013 at 10:09 PM (#4364617)
If ancient Flutie is involved in that show, maybe they should have also tried getting former Yankee prospect John Elway.
   36. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: February 06, 2013 at 10:14 PM (#4364621)
Interesting. Thanks for the update. I always figured Flutie just didn't know what he was talking about. Like it was a rule from college or CFL or something, but not actually the NFL. Looks like he could have done it.
   37. Barnaby Jones Posted: February 06, 2013 at 10:17 PM (#4364625)
Take some guys on the verge of being out of pro baseball completely, train them to use the knuckler, and see if any can achieve success.


Mark Lemke tried this. Didn't work.
   38. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: February 06, 2013 at 11:00 PM (#4364655)
Well, david greene is a lefty, so that'd be interesting. Also, he played baseball in high school.

He wouldn't need to buy cleats; he could just wear his hobnailed-boots.
   39. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 06, 2013 at 11:38 PM (#4364672)
The drop kick was not eliminated. It is a legal play. Section 8.

I didn't say the drop kick was eliminated. I was referring to Greg's question about the drop kick being able to be taken from anywhere on the field. That once was the rule, up until the late 90s/early 00s. The NFL changed that rule to require it be taken from behind the line of scrimmage, as is the case with other kicks.

up until that rule change, you could legally punt from anywhere on the field --though, for the life of me, I can't think of a situation where you would punt once you were beyond the line of scrimmage
   40. McCoy Posted: February 06, 2013 at 11:40 PM (#4364673)
4th and 12. 3rd and 20.
   41. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 06, 2013 at 11:46 PM (#4364674)
To paraphrase Bubba Sparxxx:

BOOTY BOOTY FLUTIE THROWIN' KNUCKLERS EVERYWHERE!
KNUCKLERS EVERYWHERE! KNUCKLERS EVERYWHERE!
   42. SoSH U at work Posted: February 07, 2013 at 01:10 AM (#4364716)



up until that rule change, you could legally punt from anywhere on the field --though, for the life of me, I can't think of a situation where you would punt once you were beyond the line of scrimmage


I didn't know that. I only knew about the drop kick.

The only example I could think of is a soon-to-be-failed fourth and long try, though it's hard to imagine having enough room to get the punt off but not enough room to try to get the first down.
   43. zack Posted: February 07, 2013 at 01:43 AM (#4364725)
though it's hard to imagine having enough room to get the punt off but not enough room to try to get the first down

I don't know, it seems possible, or would be if anyone ever practiced kicking on the run. That or bicycle punt.
   44. Chicago Joe Posted: February 07, 2013 at 02:00 AM (#4364729)
I don't know, it seems possible, or would be if anyone ever practiced kicking on the run. That or bicycle punt.


The end zone refs in Aussie rules football have the best combination of sartorial splendor and hand gesture I have ever seem. Remind me of some bizarro version of Inspector Gadget crossed with Pee-wee Herman.
   45. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 07, 2013 at 02:32 AM (#4364733)
To paraphrase Bubba Sparxxx:


Don't ever do that again.
   46. Barnaby Jones Posted: February 07, 2013 at 03:35 AM (#4364739)
To paraphrase Bubba Sparxxx:


Don't ever do that again.


Indeed only a true boor would adulterate such poetry.
   47. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: February 07, 2013 at 08:59 AM (#4364760)
HIMYM just had an episode revolving around the 1996 Grey Cup halftime show. No snow though.

Weird, considering it's generally known as "The Snow Bowl". I seem to recall they're usually good on attention to detail for stuff like that.

Was it at least in Hamilton?


How many Americans have even heard of the Grey Cup? Or know there's a town in Canada named Hamilton? Or can even remember 1996?
   48. zack Posted: February 07, 2013 at 09:46 AM (#4364779)
The end zone refs in Aussie rules football have the best combination of sartorial splendor and hand gesture I have ever seem. Remind me of some bizarro version of Inspector Gadget crossed with Pee-wee Herman.

Absolutely. I would very much pay to watch a movie that was just endless clips of AFL goal signals set to Phillip Glass.

Unfortunately, those uniforms were from the 80's. The current umpire get-up is rather more plain.
   49. bunyon Posted: February 07, 2013 at 09:49 AM (#4364781)
How many Americans have even heard of the Grey Cup? Or know there's a town in Canada named Hamilton? Or can even remember 1996?

Wouldn't surprise me if there are more Americans who know there is a Hamilton, Canada than there are Canadians.
   50. Gary Truth Serum Posted: February 07, 2013 at 11:02 AM (#4364827)
The only example I could think of is a soon-to-be-failed fourth and long try, though it's hard to imagine having enough room to get the punt off but not enough room to try to get the first down.

There was a Cowboys game on MNF in the early 80s where Danny White, who was the Cowboys punter as well as the starting QB, ran a fake punt and then changed his mind and punted the ball as he approached the line of scrimmage. The punt itself was legal but the play was penalized because the Cowboys had men illegally downfield due to the delay in the kick.
   51. DA Baracus Posted: February 07, 2013 at 11:09 AM (#4364834)
There was a Cowboys game on MNF in the early 80s where Danny White, who was the Cowboys punter as well as the starting QB, ran a fake punt and then changed his mind and punted the ball as he approached the line of scrimmage. The punt itself was legal but the play was penalized because the Cowboys had men illegally downfield due to the delay in the kick.


Buddy Ryan, in addition to the "Polish Punt" also had his team do the opposite--he had the punter chuck the ball down the field and got a pass interference call. They changed the rule after that.
   52. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: February 07, 2013 at 11:14 AM (#4364839)
How many Americans have even heard of the Grey Cup? Or know there's a town in Canada named Hamilton? Or can even remember 1996?


What's a Canada?
   53. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: February 08, 2013 at 11:02 AM (#4365583)
“I don't even know what street Canada is on.” -- Al Capone
   54. Bitter Mouse Posted: February 08, 2013 at 11:34 AM (#4365608)
How many Americans have even heard of the Grey Cup? Or know there's a town in Canada named Hamilton? Or can even remember 1996?


It is embarassing when folks on an educated website just make up words like this and pretend they are places, times or things. Well except for the 'Grey Cup', I am pretty sure that was in that one Harry Potter movie.
   55. JJ1986 Posted: February 22, 2013 at 02:52 PM (#4374115)
So, Josh Booty won.
   56. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 22, 2013 at 04:06 PM (#4374180)
It is embarassing when folks on an educated website just make up words like this and pretend they are places, times or things. Well except for the 'Grey Cup', I am pretty sure that was in that one Harry Potter movie.


For some reason, back in 1971 or so I sent off for a full set of O-Pee-Chee CFL cards. And the last book on football I read, almost certainly, was a history of the CFL, maybe 5 years ago.

I think that means I know more about the CFL than any other person in Alabama. Which probably isn't saying much.
   57. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: February 22, 2013 at 05:13 PM (#4374247)
Maybe before 1995, gef.
   58. canadian shield Posted: February 22, 2013 at 05:43 PM (#4374274)
What's the oldest existing professional sports team in North America that still uses its original name?

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