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Thursday, April 24, 2014

Calcaterra: Blogger Murray Chass attacks me for bad reporting, ignores quotes, evidence in doing so

Castellammare del Blogo.

Murray, you’re a Hall of Famer, and for all the work that put you there, I respect you. But you have no more business being out there engaging in media criticism than 83-year-old Ernie Banks has being in the Cubs’ lineup against the Diamondbacks this afternoon. Less so, actually. Because while neither Banks nor you are likely to be able to catch up to a fastball these days, at least Banks isn’t blinded by bitterness and rage about not being active anymore.

*I suppose there are many definitions of “blogger,” but the original and in my mind truest definition of the term is one who reads and synthesizes news and opinion on the Internet, forms his or her own opinions about it, links said news and opinions on his or her “web log” — which is where the word “blog” comes from — and talks about what he or she thinks about the matter.

While, today, bloggers such as myself may work for large media organizations like NBC, the original promise of blogging was that it gave people not affiliated with the mainstream media a chance to write and opine about the issues of the day.

In what way Murray Chass does not fit this definition is beyond me. He is a blogger in the purest and truest meaning of the word. In form — he writes a blog from his home in his free time — and in practice — he is using it to attack a writer from a large media organization — Chass is, in fact, the Platonic ideal of a blogger. He is keeping it so real as a blogger, he makes a guy like me — who considers himself a pretty decent blogger — look like some sort of sellout. A piker. Frankly, I’m a tad embarrassed at how much more of a legit blogger Chass is than me sometimes.

So I shall no longer call him The Blogger Murray Chass.” I shall call him “King Blogger Murray Chass, O.G. Pimp Daddy Blogger Par Excellence.”

Repoz Posted: April 24, 2014 at 01:02 PM | 43 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 24, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4693260)
You realize that King Blogger's blog would be dead from no hits if it weren't for Repoz. BTF is singlularly keeping it alive
   2. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4693267)
I even went to Murray's critique of Calcaterra and most of it was "the writer is too young to know anything".....I don't think there was anything of substance attacking or defending Clark, instead if was a senile old man ramblings about the great Marvin Miller versus the evil newspaper men of the time who were often working in concert with the owners.
   3. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 24, 2014 at 01:53 PM (#4693269)
I feel King Kaufmann is being slighted by this designation. Also, punching old men is weak sauce.
   4. Shredder Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4693277)
I feel King Kaufmann is being slighted by this designation. Also, punching old men is weak sauce.
More like punching back. Chass opened this can of worms.
   5. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4693279)
Chass is baseball's Andy Rooney.
   6. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:05 PM (#4693284)
Also, I'd wager that the most entertaining interview of all time would be Stephen Colbert interviewing Chass in character and Chass being totally oblivious to it being an act.
   7. Super Creepy Derek Lowe (GGC) Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:06 PM (#4693286)
You realize that King Blogger's blog would be dead from no hits if it weren't for Repoz. BTF is singlularly keeping it alive


I did run across a Chass fan a few years back. He was an older guy, FWIW. I forget if he was from our local SABR chapter or just a hanger on.
   8. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:07 PM (#4693289)
I seem to be missing the article that Chass is commenting on. He quotes the article extensively, but the article he links to has none of those comments in there.
   9. Ron J2 Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4693290)
I thought this was a very effective takedown by Craig. Mostly because he gives Chass all due credit for his expertise on the issue. And has a substantive comeback for the specific points that Chass makes.
   10. spike Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4693291)
Chass is baseball's Andy Rooney.

More like Grandpa Simpson
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4693293)
Okay...found the article that Chass was commenting on, either Calcaterra/NBC changed the location or Chass incorrectly linked the article.

This is the article Chass was commenting on.

   12. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:20 PM (#4693299)
I thought this was a very effective takedown by Craig. Mostly because he gives Chass all due credit for his expertise on the issue. And has a substantive comeback for the specific points that Chass makes.


As I mentioned, both him and Chass incorrectly linked the article that Chass was talking about, so if your first exposure to this "fight" was the linked piece here, you might be a little perplexed to wonder what the heck Chass is talking about.
   13. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:28 PM (#4693308)
Also, punching old men is weak sauce.

Agree. 'I found some areas where Murray Chass applied inconsistent logic!'. Here's your cookie.
   14. Joey B. Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:29 PM (#4693309)
A couple of self-important journalist types throwing spitballs at each other is just about one of the least interesting things in the world.
   15. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:32 PM (#4693312)
Agree. 'I found some areas where Murray Chass applied inconsistent logic!'. Here's your cookie.


Chass attacked him specifically. I don't think a response is unwarranted.
   16. JE (Jason) Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4693320)
Say what you want about Murray's blog, at least there are no NSFW adverts.
   17. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4693322)
A couple of self-important journalist types throwing spitballs at each other is just about one of the least interesting things in the world.


This is the JV-version of Nate Silver v. Paul Krugman.
   18. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:39 PM (#4693323)
Chass attacked him specifically. I don't think a response is unwarranted.

'A wise man told me don't argue with fools. 'Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who'.
   19. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:40 PM (#4693326)
Say what you want about Murray's blog, at least there are no NSFW adverts.


Bug, not a feature.
   20. Steve Treder Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:48 PM (#4693338)
'A wise man told me don't argue with fools. 'Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who'.

The version I heard was: "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it."
   21. Ron J2 Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:52 PM (#4693343)
#20 Another version (I've heard both of the others), "Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."
   22. McCoy Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:53 PM (#4693344)
Murray Chass reminds me of Marhsal Petain.
   23. base ball chick Posted: April 24, 2014 at 02:58 PM (#4693351)
marhsal petain

what a name - he's not in bbref
guess he must have written for 18th century rags/tabloids or something

by the way - that link in #11 - my computer blocked it saying it as not safe
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2014 at 03:00 PM (#4693353)
by the way - that link in #11 - my computer blocked it saying it as not safe


Mine did too, but it's just because it's not https or something, it's still the NBC website.
   25. Ron J2 Posted: April 24, 2014 at 03:10 PM (#4693363)
#23 Ace reliever in 1917. Came out of retirement much later and had nothing left.
   26. Chris Needham Posted: April 24, 2014 at 03:10 PM (#4693364)
The only problem I have with Craig's response is that he's basically taking Clark's comments entirely at face value. That their sole value and meaning is exactly divined from a literal reading of the transcription of those words. Public figures, especially those in leadership, realize that words often have a signaling value. And to Murray's point, when it's coming from the union head, there's a whole load of history and meaning behind those words that a close reading is probably missing.

So in conclusion, they're both wrong. Except for the parts they're right about.
   27. madvillain Posted: April 24, 2014 at 03:12 PM (#4693371)
Blogs are weblogs, case closed.
   28. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: April 24, 2014 at 03:17 PM (#4693381)
You have to love the aggressive ageism routinely thrown around herein by the oh-so-concerned contingent.
   29. Baseballs Most Beloved Figure Posted: April 24, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4693386)
Both writers are don't read'ems to me.
   30. Captain Supporter Posted: April 24, 2014 at 03:39 PM (#4693404)
If a tree falls in the forest.....
   31. dr. scott Posted: April 24, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4693413)
Also, punching old men is weak sauce.


Hey, if a bald old man is running straight at you, ya gotta throw him to the ground...
   32. BochysFingers Posted: April 24, 2014 at 04:07 PM (#4693439)
Maybe I'm going crazy, but I have to agree with Joey here. Using an article to complain about another's comments about self is Bill O'Reilly territory. Those who attack without merit should be ignored.
   33. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2014 at 04:12 PM (#4693449)
You have to love the aggressive ageism routinely thrown around herein by the oh-so-concerned contingent.


Always willing to throw ageism around anytime someone pulls their age out first. Murray Chass clearly did.

I'll debate with my facebook friends who pull the old fogey crap about the music being better in their day, or that they were the last generation to play outside or that their parents beat them so they learned respect or whatever it is that old farts like to pretend make their generation better than a current or younger generation. Any time that someone pulls out how things were in the past, it's a almost always a signal for them to be struck down dead right then and there.
   34. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: April 24, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4693526)
This is the JV-version of Nate Silver v. Paul Krugman.


More like preschool version.
   35. valuearbitrageur Posted: April 24, 2014 at 06:29 PM (#4693597)
Also, punching old men is weak sauce


You just know Old Man MMA is going to be a thing, so why can't Murray Chass be the first knocked victim?

Please God, you know I haven't asked you for anything since that hooker (and shortly thereafter about that possible herpes thing), please make it so...
   36. BDC Posted: April 24, 2014 at 07:46 PM (#4693648)
In my day, when somebody went on about how the past was better, we sat up straight and listened.
   37. Steve Treder Posted: April 24, 2014 at 07:49 PM (#4693649)
And we LIKED it!
   38. Hysterical & Useless Posted: April 24, 2014 at 08:41 PM (#4693672)
As an old fogey, the one thing I want you whipper-snappers to know about The Past is that it SUCKED!!

Except for the occasional part that was okay, like Chaucer and Shakespeare and Ludwig van. But, pretty much everything else? Good riddance.
   39. Jim Furtado Posted: April 25, 2014 at 07:02 AM (#4693807)
   40. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 25, 2014 at 07:45 AM (#4693812)
1. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 24, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4693260)
You realize that King Blogger's blog would be dead from no hits if it weren't for Repoz. BTF is singlularly keeping it alive


Ah, repoz. The Original Douche Troll. Still kicking. BTF would be nothing without his #### postings.
   41. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 25, 2014 at 08:20 AM (#4693823)
I'll debate with my facebook friends who pull the old fogey crap about the music being better in their day, or that they were the last generation to play outside or that their parents beat them so they learned respect or whatever it is that old farts like to pretend make their generation better than a current or younger generation. Any time that someone pulls out how things were in the past, it's a almost always a signal for them to be struck down dead right then and there.

Yeah, but the Atlantic Ocean was really something BITD. You don't have any idea what you missed.
   42. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 25, 2014 at 09:23 AM (#4693850)
You have to love the aggressive ageism routinely thrown around herein by the oh-so-concerned contingent.


There are good, old baseball writers, like Hal McCoy.

People aren't complaining about Chass because he's old. They're complaining about him because he's bad, and speculating as to the cause of that badness - of which, unfortunately, age is one possibility.
   43. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: April 25, 2014 at 11:21 AM (#4693946)
People aren't complaining about Chass because he's old. They're complaining about him because he's bad, and speculating as to the cause of that badness - of which, unfortunately, age is one possibility.


Plus, we all freaking love Harveys. (I know, that's kind of like the "black friend" argument.. Hi Lisa!) But really, Chass isn't an age thing. It's because he's a closed-minded jerk. There are plenty of all ages that fall into that same category.

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