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Thursday, July 26, 2012

Calcaterra: Tweet of the Day: Do NOT breastfeed in front of Logan Morrison

Jay Jaffe should never have made that Futility Infielder card...

Logan Morrison was just chillin’ at Nordstrom today when he encountered something he was not pleased with:

  Logan Morrison

  Hey @Nordstrom nothing makes me want to spend $$ like seeing women breastfeeding in your store…

Those damn moms,providing essential nourishment for their children. Just appalling, really. The worst kind of people.

Because he’s awesome, Jay Jaffe called Morrison out for being boorish and retrograde about public breastfeeding. Which led to this response:

  Logan Morrison

    Jay Jaffe? Another blogger who has never played baseball w a big mouth. Shocker! RT @jay_jaffe shut up and hit .240 without power LoMo

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   1. Spivey Posted: July 26, 2012 at 05:53 PM (#4192966)
Logan Morrison's star has certainly fallen.
   2. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:16 PM (#4192975)
I'm trying to follow the logic and my brain is bending. So Jay Jaffe has never played baseball... well, he probably played at least Little League or something, but anyway Jay Jaffe certainly has never played major league baseball... and that... renders his opinions on breastfeeding and tolerance thereof invalid? I guess?
   3. JJ1986 Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:19 PM (#4192978)
Well, Jaffe made it about baseball first. I'm not sure what hitting .240 has to do with Morriosn's opinions on breastfeeding.
   4. Barnaby Jones Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:23 PM (#4192979)
Yeah, I don't see how Jaffe telling Morrison to "shut up" and then insulting him is a noble act of heroism.
   5. boteman digs the circuit clout Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:26 PM (#4192980)
So Logan Morrison and teammate Bryan Petersen were photographed (Photoshopped?) kickin it in the offseason by sharing a carafe of wine in a small bathtub. Morrison reveled in the resulting hubub.

Now he protests having seen a female breast doing what they are known to do.

I'm just sayin...not that there's anything wrong with that.

The next question is: how will Ozzie react?
   6. Guapo Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:28 PM (#4192981)
Morrison also put a picture of the woman breastfeeding up on Twitter, which is even more gratuitous jackassery.

EDIT: Did LoMo delete the tweet? I don't see it on his twitter feed.
   7. SteveF Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:30 PM (#4192982)
The polls I've seen done suggest that the majority of Americans disapprove of breastfeeding in public. Nearly every state has some law which protects a woman's right to breastfeed her children in a public place.

Personally it makes me uncomfortable, but I acknowledge the level of inconvenience to me is far less than the level of inconvenience to the mom were she prohibited from breastfeeding in public.

The age of the child is probably a relevant consideration. There are people with widely varying opinions on the appropriate weening age, and there's a point at which the inconvenience to the public begins to outweigh the inconvenience to the mother.
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:31 PM (#4192985)
Morrison's mother should smack him right on his ungrateful head.
   9. Greg K Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:32 PM (#4192988)

The age of the child is probably a relevant consideration. There are people with widely varying opinions on the appropriate weening age, and there's a point at which the inconvenience to the public begins to outweigh the inconvenience to the mother.

Tell that to Lysa Tully!
   10. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:35 PM (#4192990)
Morrison also put a picture of the woman breastfeeding up on Twitter, which is even more gratuitous jackassery.
That would pretty much justify whatever insults Jaffe chose to run with. #### LoMo, if that's true.
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:40 PM (#4192992)
Morrison also put a picture of the woman breastfeeding up on Twitter, which is even more gratuitous jackassery.


Is this the social media version of "Oooh God, this tastes like ####. Try it."?
   12. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:40 PM (#4192993)
Tell that to Lysa Tully!
Ha! Just watched that episode.

What's up with the useless boys in the Thrones? Between Lysa's son and Joffrey, seems Westeros paid a price for its lack of emotionally-healthy male role models.
   13. Poster Nutbag Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:41 PM (#4192994)
That would pretty much justify whatever insults Jaffe chose to run with. #### LoMo, if that's true.


Agreed. She should have responded by saying "Logan Morrison? Another jackass who has never breastfed w a big mouth. Shocker!"
   14. Guapo Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:41 PM (#4192996)
The polls I've seen done suggest that the majority of Americans disapprove of breastfeeding in public.


Nobody ever polls the babies.
   15. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:42 PM (#4192997)
I guess Nordstrom's does need to consider that there are plentiful ignoramuses out there who will deem the store to be a horrifying place if they spy someone breastfeeding there.
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:42 PM (#4192998)


Agreed. She should have responded by saying "Logan Morrison? Another jackass who has never breastfed w a big mouth.


That sounds painful for the mom.
   17. Into the Void Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:43 PM (#4192999)
That would pretty much justify whatever insults Jaffe chose to run with. #### LoMo, if that's true.


It's definitely true. Click on the "img.ly/lgbC" in Morrison's tweet that's posted.
   18. SteveF Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:43 PM (#4193000)
Nobody ever polls the babies.


That's true on a number of issues.
   19. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:46 PM (#4193003)
So you're saying that no one thinks of the children?
   20. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:47 PM (#4193006)
He should have his access to breasts taken away.
   21. Joe Kehoskie Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:48 PM (#4193007)
That would pretty much justify whatever insults Jaffe chose to run with. #### LoMo, if that's true.

To play devil's advocate for a moment, if it's OK to breastfeed in public, then why wouldn't it be OK to take a picture of someone breastfeeding in public? Why would a special right to privacy attach to that specific act that doesn't attach to anything else that's done in public?
   22. Guapo Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:49 PM (#4193009)
Logan's response to this article:

@HardballTalk Craig saw ur post. He attacked my BA & lack of power. I guess I'm the last to know that hitting MLB pitching is easy...


Wah! He attacked my BA & lack of power!
   23. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:50 PM (#4193010)
If it's OK to breastfeed in public, then why wouldn't it be OK to take a picture of someone breastfeeding in public? Why would a special right to privacy attach to that specific act that doesn't attach to anything else that's done in public?

It's not OK because it's the kind of thing a gaping ####### would do, not because it's illegal. Who mentioned a "special right to privacy"?
   24. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:54 PM (#4193015)
To play devil's advocate for a moment, if it's OK to breastfeed in public, then why wouldn't it be OK to take a picture of someone breastfeeding in public? Why would a special right to privacy attach to that specific act that doesn't attach to anything else that's done in public?


Because it's rude. I'd say tweeting a picture of a normal person just going about their business is also rude. I'm still kind of surprised it's legal.
   25. PreservedFish Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:54 PM (#4193016)
If it's OK to breastfeed in public, then why wouldn't it be OK to take a picture of someone breastfeeding in public? Why would a special right to privacy attach to that specific act that doesn't attach to anything else that's done in public?


Are you trying to turn this into some weird political point? This is about manners, and about not being a jackass.
   26. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:56 PM (#4193017)
Taking a picture of someone without their permission and putting it on the internet is a total jackass move.

Trying to intimidate someone by posting their photo on the internet is a a whole nother level of jackassery, and approaches to criminal.

It's particularly bad, beyond those basics, with breastfeeding because the woman is in a partial state of undress. Being a good member of society means recognizing that trying to go about your daily life as a breastfeeding mother may require a little bit of public undress, and being a ####### polite human being about it, rather than taking advantage of the woman's partial undress and publishing a photo of her.
   27. PreservedFish Posted: July 26, 2012 at 06:57 PM (#4193018)
Two cokes.

Oh, but MCoA owes me one, so I'm only down one. Crispix is up three.
   28. Joe Kehoskie Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:01 PM (#4193020)
It's not OK because it's the kind of thing a gaping ####### would do, not because it's illegal. Who mentioned a "special right to privacy"?

Nobody used those specific words, but the fact it's apparently verboten to take a picture of a breastfeeding woman suggests people believe this specific act is deserving of more privacy than anything else that's done in public.

It seems like there's a cognitive dissonance here. If Morrison should have no problem with women breastfeeding in public, then breastfeeding women shouldn't mind having their photos taken by (perhaps classless or juvenile or prudish) people with camera phones.
   29. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:02 PM (#4193023)
If LoMo should have no problem with women breastfeeding in public, then breastfeeding women shouldn't mind having their photos taken by (perhaps classless or juvenile or prudish) people with camera phones.
This is the single dumbest thing I have read in at least a week.

EDIT: One last statement here, if you follow up with the same idiocy, I'm out:

The thing that makes this a stupendous jackass move is not so much the taking of a picture of a stranger, but rather the posting of the photo on the internet. You left that out of your post here, but it's the primary issue up for discussion.
   30. Joe Kehoskie Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:04 PM (#4193025)
Taking a picture of someone without their permission and putting it on the internet is a total jackass move.

Happens to people thousands of times per day.

Trying to intimidate someone by posting their photo on the internet is a a whole nother level of jackassery, and approaches to criminal.

Huh? You're claiming Morrison is trying to "intimidate" this woman, whose face is barely visible in a blurry camera-phone shot? That's ludicrous. (Talk about the "single dumbest thing" someone has said all week.)
   31. PreservedFish Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:04 PM (#4193026)
What are you, a robot?
   32. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:05 PM (#4193028)
Happens to people thousands of times per day.


Yes. There are lots of rude ######## out there. Just because there are a lot of them does not make them any less rude, or any less ########.
   33. Poster Nutbag Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:10 PM (#4193031)
Happens to people thousands of times per day.


This can apply to a shitton of AWFUL things...let's not use this as a reason to declare something acceptable, please....
   34. Poster Nutbag Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:14 PM (#4193033)
It seems like there's a cognitive dissonance here. If LoMo should have no problem with women breastfeeding in public, then breastfeeding women shouldn't mind having their photos taken by (perhaps classless or juvenile or prudish) people with camera phones.


Logan Morrison can simply turn away and not look if it makes him so uncomfortable, yet the woman being photographed without her knowledge can't defend herself against what will make her uncomfortable when it's posted on the internet. It's really that simple.

Besides, if he's so damn uncomfortable, why the hell photograph it and post it on Twitter...he's actually showing it to MORE people that way, no? This guy is just an idiot and a jackass!

Edit: The idiot and jackass is Mr. morrison, not any poster here. Just wanted to clarify.
   35. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:15 PM (#4193034)
Nobody used those specific words, but the fact it's apparently verboten to take a picture of a breastfeeding woman suggests people believe this specific act is deserving of more privacy than anything else that's done in public.


Yes, and?
   36. Joe Kehoskie Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:17 PM (#4193036)
Typical BBTF lefty behavior. Everyone's in such a big hurry to show the most outrage that they can't have a non-hysterical discussion.

The bottom line here is this: Anything done in public is fair game when it comes to being photographed. If something is so sensitive or private that one wouldn't want to be photographed doing it, then one shouldn't do it in public.
   37. Poster Nutbag Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:20 PM (#4193037)
Typical BBTF lefty behavior. Everyone's in a big hurry to show the most outrage.


Gotta love rhetoric!

Not a "lefty" or whatever inappropriate/irrelevant label you'd like to apply to me to simplify matters, it's just plain decency.

Why not be "conservative" about manners?

   38. Steve Treder Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:21 PM (#4193038)
Anything done in public is fair game when it comes to being photographed. If something is so sensitive or private that one wouldn't want to be photographed doing it, then one shouldn't do it in public.

And boorish rudeness is an unfathomable concept.
   39. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:23 PM (#4193039)
Typical BBTF lefty behavior. Everyone's in such a big hurry to show the most outrage that they can't have a non-hysterical discussion.


What on earth are you talking about? I just don't care to have my picture taken in public by a stranger and posted on the internet without my consent. There's nothing left-wing about it. It's even right-wing, a little. Maybe even Libertarian depending on whatever that word means exactly.
   40. Poster Nutbag Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:24 PM (#4193040)
I'll reiterate the real bottom line:

"...if he's so damn uncomfortable, why the hell photograph it and post it on Twitter...he's actually showing it to MORE people that way, no?..."

If it's his stance that it shouldn't be seen, his actions don't really follow....he is intentionally showing more people....I actually kinda think he may have some sort of attention problem. "Look! Boobies!"
   41. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:25 PM (#4193042)
Typical BBTF lefty behavior. Everyone's in such a big hurry to show the most outrage that they can't have a non-hysterical discussion.


...Ahh, never mind. This toolbag makes Joey look reasonable.

   42. dr. scott Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:26 PM (#4193043)
So rightwing conservatives either dont breastfeed in public, or are OK with people posting pictures of them on the internet doing it?

I dont think this is a left/right issue JK. I think its just there is a small subset of people that have the opinion that "Anything done in public is fair game when it comes to being photographed". I know next to no people that would take that statement in all the directions it can go and agree with it.
   43. Joe Kehoskie Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:29 PM (#4193045)
What on earth are you talking about? I just don't care to have my picture taken in public by a stranger and posted on the internet without my consent. There's nothing left-wing about it. It's even right-wing, a little.

It doesn't matter what you "care to have." If you do it in public, you have ZERO right to privacy.

***
If it's his stance that it shouldn't be seen, his actions don't really follow....he is intentionally showing more people....I actually kinda think he may have some sort of attention problem. "Look! Boobies!"

This makes no sense. People who are unhappy about something typically tell as many people as possible in order to try to effect change. This appears to have been Morrison's strategy, although somewhere Yosemite Sam is chuckling.
   44. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:34 PM (#4193050)
It doesn't matter what you "care to have." If you do it in public, you have ZERO right to privacy.


I'm not talking about rights, I'm talking about manners. It is perfectly legal to be rude to people, but not very nice. Not only do I think one should follow the laws, but one should also treat others with courtesy. Call me old fashioned.
   45. Poster Nutbag Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:34 PM (#4193052)
This makes no sense. People who are unhappy about something typically tell as many people as possible in order to try to effect change.
(Emphasis mine)

Really? It makes no sense?

Showing something that you think should not be seen.

Not discussing it, talking about....actually showing it....to millions, potentially....something you think should not be seen...

You're right, that makes no sense....
   46. dr. scott Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4193053)
It is currently illeagal to film someone and display their images in public without thier consent. I dont know if the same law applies to the internet and its not enforced, or if its a grey area that has not been litigated yet. This is why in certain documentaries or on Cops, you see people's face blurred out.

I think everytime we go to an MLB game the purchace of the ticket signs away this right... but Im not sure.
   47. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:36 PM (#4193054)
Not only do I think one should follow the laws, but one should also treat others with courtesy. Call me crazy.


Typical lefty BTF bull ####
   48. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:36 PM (#4193055)
This makes no sense. People who are unhappy about something typically tell as many people as possible in order to try to effect change. This appears to have been Morrison's strategy, although somewhere Yosemite Sam is chuckling.

Of course, you're right. I now applaud Logan Morrison's courage in standing up for his beliefs and leading this grass-roots resistance.
   49. Joe Kehoskie Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4193056)
So rightwing conservatives either dont breastfeed in public, or are OK with people posting pictures of them on the internet doing it?

When did I approve of Morrison's behavior here? I'm talking about the outrage that's been generated simply because of Morrison's apparent dislike of public breastfeeding. (The woman in question can barely be seen, so the photo aspect is essentially meaningless, despite the hysterical response.)

I dont think this is a left/right issue JK. I think its just there is a small subset of people that have the opinion that "Anything done in public is fair game when it comes to being photographed". I know next to no people that would take that statement in all the directions it can go and agree with it.

Really? In which situations do you believe people have a right to privacy when in public?
   50. SteveF Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4193058)
It is currently illeagal to film someone and display their images in public without thier consent.


This is not correct. It's not legal to do so for commercial use. The issue is the commercial use part, and is primarily an issue about money/compensation/endorsement and not privacy.
   51. Poster Nutbag Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:40 PM (#4193060)
I'm talking about the outrage that's been generated simply because of Morrison's apparent dislike of public breastfeeding.


Um....I think it's the taking the picture and being a jackass that did it...nobody really cares what he does/doesn't like.
   52. Into the Void Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:41 PM (#4193061)
Really? In which situations do you believe people have a right to privacy when in public?


How about after they've been in an accident and are lying in the street bleeding? Or is that their fault for being injured in public?
   53. Joe Kehoskie Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:41 PM (#4193062)
It is currently illeagal to film someone and display their images in public without thier consent. I dont know if the same law applies to the internet and its not enforced, or if its a grey area that has not been litigated yet. This is why in certain documentaries or on Cops, you see people's face blurred out.

Totally false. It's illegal to use people's likenesses for commercial purposes without their consent. TV shows like Cops are also different because the cameras follow the police onto private property and into private homes.

***
How about after they've been in an accident and are lying in the street bleeding? Or is that their fault for being injured in public?

The media can't take pictures of bleeding victims? Since when?
   54. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:44 PM (#4193064)
How about a rape in progress?
   55. Into the Void Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:45 PM (#4193066)
The media can't take pictures of bleeding victims? Since when?


Jesus. You said "In which situations do you believe people have a right to privacy when in public?" I didn't say the media "can't." You seem a bit dense so I'm going to bow out of this now.
   56. Poster Nutbag Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:46 PM (#4193067)
JK:

I think you are mistaking what people are saying. It's not a legality thing, it's a common courtesy thing.

Also, he could simply say he doesn't like it (-Place Free Speech Banner Here-). To be a douche and post a picture is what makes him, well, a douche. He's no gentleman. That's all.
   57. Steve Treder Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:47 PM (#4193068)
D!ckmove rudeness is the new market inefficiency.
   58. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:49 PM (#4193069)
Wah! He attacked my BA & lack of power!


See, I think this is the issue here. Jaffe questioned his baseball manhood. If he said something like "Friends don't let jackasses tweet breastfeeding pics," I think it would be different. Maybe this is why I never made it as a baseball blogger. I would never have the stones to go on Twitter to tell someone to STFU.
   59. Joe Kehoskie Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:50 PM (#4193070)
How about a rape in progress?

There's no law against taking a photo(s) of a rape in progress. The person taking the pictures might (justifiably) face criminal charges for failure to report a felony in progress, but anything that happens in public is fair game.

Now, the media has a tradition of not publishing photos of (or otherwise identifying) the victims of sexual assault, but it's not analogous to breastfeeding in public because the latter is voluntary behavior.
   60. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:51 PM (#4193071)
It doesn't matter what you "care to have." If you do it in public, you have ZERO right to privacy.


Just to re-iterate what a ton of people have said: if I eat a hot dog on a street, I don't think I have a legal right to privacy, but I think that if you take a picture of me doing it and post it on the internet then you're probably being a dick.

FWIW, my gun nut libertarian survivalist co-worker Andy just said he agrees with me.

EDIT: Andy describes his politics as "gun nut libertarian survivalist". I'm not being pejorative.
   61. JLAC is engulfed in a harmless burst of flame Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:52 PM (#4193072)
"Jay Jaffe called Morrison out for being boorish and retrograde about public breastfeeding"

He did nothing of the kind.
   62. Joe Kehoskie Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:53 PM (#4193073)
Also, he could simply say he doesn't like it (-Place Free Speech Banner Here-).

So I'm supposed to believe that if Morrison merely expressed his dislike for public breastfeeding, minus the accompanying picture, it would have either been met with silence from the blogosphere or inspired a dispassionate debate about the issue? Not buying it.

I'm not defending Morrison here. I just hate these constant attempts to shout down anyone who has the temerity to express an unpopular opinion.
   63. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:55 PM (#4193074)
Holy ####, this is an impressively pointless flame war we got going right here.
   64. dr. scott Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4193075)
Apologize, I left out the commercial use, and did not mention it with the internet part either. Cops is commercial use, so Im not sure what the private property has to do with it, and most of the time they are stopped while driving on public roads.

I guess I see you're point in 49, and I may not have addressed it completely, but to think that only leftys are outraged at people taking photos of breastfeeding women seems short sighted, and Id imagine plenty of right of center folks would find it annoying too.

Again, I dont think anyone is saying its illegal, just that lots of people dont like it.

A bad example. My coworker had a seisure the other day... just dropped on the floor and started convulsing. All of us could have taken a picture, but decency said that would be inappropriate. This time was not in public Iit was at work hense the bad example), but given her medical condition could happen any time in public. She could choose not to go out in public, but I think society gives her same slack by not taking photos when it happens. Society could choose to give the breastfeeding women the same courtesy to make what is a difficult circumstance just a little bit easier. This is about courtesy, not the law.
   65. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4193076)
Who you calling a lefty anyways, Kehoskie? I may BLTL, but I'm no liberal. There isn't some hivemind here. In fact some us don't give a #### at all about politics. There's me and, uhm, that other guy; the Apolitcal Blues Duo.
   66. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4193078)
It doesn't matter what you "care to have." If you do it in public, you have ZERO right to privacy.


Technically, the inside of a Nordstrom store is not "public". It's private property, so Nordstrom could have asked/told LoMo to not take any photos in there if they wanted.
   67. JLAC is engulfed in a harmless burst of flame Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4193079)
Joe Kehoskie, you're not supposed to believe anything the beta waves from the alien mothership don't tell you.
   68. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4193080)
The text of the tweet itself merits his being called an ignoramus, but only the posting of the photo makes it appropriate to call him a gaping #######.
   69. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:59 PM (#4193083)
The text of the tweet itself merits his being called an ignoramus, but only the posting of the photo makes it appropriate to call him a gaping #######.


Right, but he attacked his baseball skills. These guys aren't robots.
   70. dr. scott Posted: July 26, 2012 at 07:59 PM (#4193084)
Also, he could simply say he doesn't like it (-Place Free Speech Banner Here-).

So I'm supposed to believe that if Morrison merely expressed his dislike for public breastfeeding, minus the accompanying picture, it would have either been met with silence from the blogosphere or inspired a dispassionate debate about the issue? Not buying it.


Probably not, but at least it would have been a more polite discourse. People who yell and scream and rant and rave, or in this case do something on purpose to inflame rarely convince anyone.
   71. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4193085)
Anything done in public is fair game when it comes to being photographed.


Like walking up a flight of stairs wearing a skirt?
   72. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:04 PM (#4193088)
So I'm supposed to believe that if Morrison merely expressed his dislike for public breastfeeding, minus the accompanying picture, it would have either been met with silence from the blogosphere or inspired a dispassionate debate about the issue? Not buying it.
Classic.

"Imagine that something else had happened, which was not the thing that happened. In that case, people would have been unreasonable. I have seen it in my mind pictures."
   73. Joe Kehoskie Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:06 PM (#4193090)
Technically, the inside of a Nordstrom store is not "public". It's private property, so Nordstrom could have asked/told LoMo to not take any photos in there if they wanted.

It would have been more fun if Nordstrom asked the woman not to breastfeed. The interwebs would have exploded in outrage!

***
My coworker had a seisure the other day... just dropped on the floor and started convulsing. All of us could have taken a picture, but decency said that would be inappropriate.

Like being raped, having a seizure is an involuntary occurrence. Regardless, Logan Morrison apparently believes "decency" says it's "inappropriate" to breastfeed in public. Whether he's right or wrong, he should be able to express his opinion about it.

Society could choose to give the breastfeeding women the same courtesy to make what is a difficult circumstance just a little bit easier. This is about courtesy, not the law.

Nordstrom has really nice bathrooms. There's a middle ground between "force women to breastfeed in the parking lot during a snowstorm" and "breastfeed in aisle 7."
   74. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:06 PM (#4193091)
Right, but he attacked his baseball skills. These guys aren't robots.


Seriously, how would you guys like it if I said you were a bad boxing afficianado/pilot/writer/divinity student/lawyer/whatever? It would be a slap in the face.
   75. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:08 PM (#4193094)
So I'm supposed to believe that if Morrison merely expressed his dislike for public breastfeeding, minus the accompanying picture, it would have either been met with silence from the blogosphere or inspired a dispassionate debate about the issue? Not buying it.


If he'd done that, his behavior would have still been rude, but not as rude as what he actually did. As such, I suspect that people still would have criticized him for being rude, but with less vehemence since his behavior would have been less offensive.

People have the legal right to do a lot of things that they probably shouldn't do, out of common courtesy. This was one of them. Nobody's trying to put Morrison in jail - they're just exercising their right to free speech, the same way he did.
   76. Poster Nutbag Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:09 PM (#4193095)
Meh #74, I work for the Gov't and hear it ALL the time, everywhere I go/look/live/breathe! ;-)
   77. Steve Treder Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4193096)
Regardless, Logan Morrison apparently believes "decency" says it's "inappropriate" to breastfeed in public. Whether he's right or wrong, he should be able to express his opinion about it.

List of people in this thread who have asserted that Morrison should not be able to express his opinion about breastfeeding in public:

   78. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4193097)
Regardless, Logan Morrison apparently believes "decency" says it's "inappropriate" to breastfeed in public. Whether he's right or wrong, he should be able to express his opinion about it.


And right or wrong, we should be able to express our opinions about his opinion. Which is what we're doing.

Once again: The right to free speech only protects you from legal sanctions related to what you've said. It's not a magic "get-out-of-being-called-an-asshat" card.
   79. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:12 PM (#4193099)
I'm not defending Morrison here. I just hate these constant attempts to shout down anyone who has the temerity to express an unpopular opinion.


Ok, let's shift the terms of the debate then. If this is about taking pictures of strangers being a totally cool thing to do (legal though it may be), I think you're wrong and I fear for your attempts at social interaction in the future.

If this is about whether breastfeeding in public is ok or not, then that's a different argument and I'm out.
   80. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:13 PM (#4193101)
Meh #74, I work for the Gov't and hear it ALL the time, everywhere I go/look/live/breathe! ;-)


That doesn't make it right, though. Maybe I was raised wrong, but I was told not to say something if I don't have anything nice to say. And Calxaterra, who I like, is praising this behavior.
   81. DA Baracus is a "bloodthirsty fan of Atlanta." Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:14 PM (#4193103)
Like being raped, having a seizure is an involuntary occurrence.


Only one of them invades your privacy.
   82. Lassus Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4193106)
The right to free speech only protects you from legal sanctions related to what you've said. It's not a magic "get-out-of-being-called-an-asshat" card.

I'm stealing THIS one.
   83. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4193107)
Like being raped, having a seizure is an involuntary occurrence.


And yet, it's totally cool to photograph and publish photos of both on the internet.
   84. Tripon Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4193109)
If one of my friends whips out his dick in public, I'm taking a picture of it and splashing it all over the internet. People still get a loud out from Brett Farve's crotch after all.

Is LoMo a jerk? Yes, very much. But breast feeding in public will attract jerks like LoMo, and people should expect that.
   85. Joe Kehoskie Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4193110)
If he'd done that, his behavior would have still been rude, but not as rude as what he actually did. As such, I suspect that people still would have criticized him for being rude, but with less vehemence since his behavior would have been less offensive.

Expressing his opinion would have been "rude"? Why? Who magically decided that it's beyond the pale to discuss the issue of breastfeeding in public?

***
Ok, let's shift the terms of the debate then. If this is about taking pictures of strangers being a totally cool thing to do (legal though it may be), I think you're wrong and I fear for your attempts at social interaction in the future.

Huh? I was in a bar last night for 2 hours and probably had my picture taken involuntarily about 20 times. One of us might be out of touch when it comes to modern-day photography habits, but it isn't me.
   86. salajander Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4193111)
Typical BBTF lefty behavior. Everyone's in such a big hurry to show the most outrage that they can't have a non-hysterical discussion.

The bottom line here is this: Anything done in public is fair game when it comes to being photographed. If something is so sensitive or private that one wouldn't want to be photographed doing it, then one shouldn't do it in public.


Whaaaaa? Most of the posters aren't saying Morrison's twitter post and picture are illegal. They are saying it was rude.

I can't fathom how this is a righty/lefty distinction, unless you're asserting that only lefties have manners?
   87. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:25 PM (#4193115)
"Imagine that something else had happened, which was not the thing that happened. In that case, people would have been unreasonable. I have seen it in my mind pictures."


What if, instead of talking about breastfeeding, Morrison had announced he was a Nazi? And, instead of Morrison, it was Mitt Romney? I highly doubt we would be having this breastfeeding debate you libs want so much.
   88. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:26 PM (#4193116)
unless you're asserting that only lefties have manners?
Have you ever listened to the Tea Partiers?
   89. Guapo Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:26 PM (#4193117)
Attention theatergoers. In tonight's performance of "Baseball Think Factory," the role of "Ray DiPerna" will be played by Joe Kehoskie. Thank you and enjoy the show.
   90. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:26 PM (#4193118)
Expressing his opinion would have been "rude"? Why? Who magically decided that it's beyond the pale to discuss the issue of breastfeeding in public?


Society.
   91. Nineto Lezcano needs to get his shit together (CW) Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:26 PM (#4193119)
Typical BBTF lefty behavior. Everyone's in such a big hurry to show the most outrage that they can't have a non-hysterical discussion.


As a registered Republican, I just want to take this moment to tell you what an ass you are.
   92. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4193121)
As a registered Republican, I just want to take this moment to tell you what an ass you are.
RINO.
   93. Joe Kehoskie Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4193122)
Whaaaaa? Most of the posters aren't saying Morrison's twitter post and picture are illegal. They are saying it was rude.

Morrison didn't name the woman and she unidentifiable front the blurry picture he posted, so all this faux "defending the woman's honor" nonsense is goofy. Take away the picture, and people would still be bashing Morrison as a Neanderthal because he expressed an unpopular opinion.

***
Society.

Well, when a woman started breastfeeding in the middle of a busy, cramped restaurant in Syracuse* last week, "society" seemed less than impressed.

(Of course, Syracuse isn't the most enlightened place; otherwise, more people would have moved away from it.)
   94. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4193123)
Huh? I was in a bar last night for 2 hours and probably had my picture taken involuntarily about 20 times. One of us might be out of touch when it comes to modern-day photography habits, but it isn't me.

How many people posted the picture online for the purpose of mocking you to their legions of fans?
   95. salajander Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4193124)
And as a follow-up, over 20 years on the intertubes and I should know better than to feed the trolls, but there I went.
   96. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4193125)
I can't fathom how this is a righty/lefty distinction, unless you're asserting that only lefties have manners?


No. he's asserting that only rightys are misogynistst.
   97. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4193126)
Huh? I was in a bar last night for 2 hours and probably had my picture taken involuntarily about 20 times. One of us might be out of touch when it comes to modern-day photography habits, but it isn't me.


Really? A total stranger who you've never met and no one in your friend group (assuming you were with one) knows took your picture 20 times and posted it on the internet for the public to see? Do you look like some kind of celebrity?

And I don't care for modern-day photo habits, no. I hope you'll defend my right to my opinions as vigorously as you're defending Morisson's.
   98. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4193127)
Attention theatergoers. In tonight's performance of "Baseball Think Factory," the role of "Ray DiPerna" will be played by Joe Kehoskie. Thank you and enjoy the show.


Speaking of Vegas Elvis fan, how did he feel about this weeks Yanks-M's trade?
   99. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4193128)
What if, instead of talking about breastfeeding, Morrison had announced he was a Nazi? And, instead of Morrison, it was Mitt Romney? I highly doubt we would be having this breastfeeding debate you libs want so much.


Mitt Romney absolutely has the right to admit that he's a Nazi, if he feels like doing so. And like Morrison complaining about breastfeeding, it's probably not a great idea for him to do so, if he cares about his reputation.

This may shock you, but it's possible to defend someone's right to speak while simultaneously attacking the specific content of that speech. The two positions aren't contradictory in any way. That's why the ACLU is willing to go to bat for groups like the KKK, even though they're ######## who'd cheerfully take a bullwhip to the average ACLU member if given half a chance.
   100. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: July 26, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4193130)
Are you implying that Romney is a Nazi, Vlad? That is as whacky as calling Obama a socialist. I am sick and tired of political hyperbole. But it sometimes seems like I'm the only one here.
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