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Now he protests having seen a female breast doing what they are known to do.
I'm just sayin...not that there's anything wrong with that.
The next question is: how will Ozzie react?
EDIT: Did LoMo delete the tweet? I don't see it on his twitter feed.
Personally it makes me uncomfortable, but I acknowledge the level of inconvenience to me is far less than the level of inconvenience to the mom were she prohibited from breastfeeding in public.
The age of the child is probably a relevant consideration. There are people with widely varying opinions on the appropriate weening age, and there's a point at which the inconvenience to the public begins to outweigh the inconvenience to the mother.
Tell that to Lysa Tully!
Is this the social media version of "Oooh God, this tastes like ####. Try it."?
What's up with the useless boys in the Thrones? Between Lysa's son and Joffrey, seems Westeros paid a price for its lack of emotionally-healthy male role models.
Agreed. She should have responded by saying "Logan Morrison? Another jackass who has never breastfed w a big mouth. Shocker!"
Nobody ever polls the babies.
That sounds painful for the mom.
It's definitely true. Click on the "img.ly/lgbC" in Morrison's tweet that's posted.
That's true on a number of issues.
To play devil's advocate for a moment, if it's OK to breastfeed in public, then why wouldn't it be OK to take a picture of someone breastfeeding in public? Why would a special right to privacy attach to that specific act that doesn't attach to anything else that's done in public?
Wah! He attacked my BA & lack of power!
It's not OK because it's the kind of thing a gaping ####### would do, not because it's illegal. Who mentioned a "special right to privacy"?
Because it's rude. I'd say tweeting a picture of a normal person just going about their business is also rude. I'm still kind of surprised it's legal.
Are you trying to turn this into some weird political point? This is about manners, and about not being a jackass.
Trying to intimidate someone by posting their photo on the internet is a a whole nother level of jackassery, and approaches to criminal.
It's particularly bad, beyond those basics, with breastfeeding because the woman is in a partial state of undress. Being a good member of society means recognizing that trying to go about your daily life as a breastfeeding mother may require a little bit of public undress, and being a ####### polite human being about it, rather than taking advantage of the woman's partial undress and publishing a photo of her.
Oh, but MCoA owes me one, so I'm only down one. Crispix is up three.
Nobody used those specific words, but the fact it's apparently verboten to take a picture of a breastfeeding woman suggests people believe this specific act is deserving of more privacy than anything else that's done in public.
It seems like there's a cognitive dissonance here. If Morrison should have no problem with women breastfeeding in public, then breastfeeding women shouldn't mind having their photos taken by (perhaps classless or juvenile or prudish) people with camera phones.
EDIT: One last statement here, if you follow up with the same idiocy, I'm out:
The thing that makes this a stupendous jackass move is not so much the taking of a picture of a stranger, but rather the posting of the photo on the internet. You left that out of your post here, but it's the primary issue up for discussion.
Happens to people thousands of times per day.
Huh? You're claiming Morrison is trying to "intimidate" this woman, whose face is barely visible in a blurry camera-phone shot? That's ludicrous. (Talk about the "single dumbest thing" someone has said all week.)
Yes. There are lots of rude ######## out there. Just because there are a lot of them does not make them any less rude, or any less ########.
This can apply to a shitton of AWFUL things...let's not use this as a reason to declare something acceptable, please....
Logan Morrison can simply turn away and not look if it makes him so uncomfortable, yet the woman being photographed without her knowledge can't defend herself against what will make her uncomfortable when it's posted on the internet. It's really that simple.
Besides, if he's so damn uncomfortable, why the hell photograph it and post it on Twitter...he's actually showing it to MORE people that way, no? This guy is just an idiot and a jackass!
Edit: The idiot and jackass is Mr. morrison, not any poster here. Just wanted to clarify.
Yes, and?
The bottom line here is this: Anything done in public is fair game when it comes to being photographed. If something is so sensitive or private that one wouldn't want to be photographed doing it, then one shouldn't do it in public.
Gotta love rhetoric!
Not a "lefty" or whatever inappropriate/irrelevant label you'd like to apply to me to simplify matters, it's just plain decency.
Why not be "conservative" about manners?
And boorish rudeness is an unfathomable concept.
What on earth are you talking about? I just don't care to have my picture taken in public by a stranger and posted on the internet without my consent. There's nothing left-wing about it. It's even right-wing, a little. Maybe even Libertarian depending on whatever that word means exactly.
"...if he's so damn uncomfortable, why the hell photograph it and post it on Twitter...he's actually showing it to MORE people that way, no?..."
If it's his stance that it shouldn't be seen, his actions don't really follow....he is intentionally showing more people....I actually kinda think he may have some sort of attention problem. "Look! Boobies!"
...Ahh, never mind. This toolbag makes Joey look reasonable.
I dont think this is a left/right issue JK. I think its just there is a small subset of people that have the opinion that "Anything done in public is fair game when it comes to being photographed". I know next to no people that would take that statement in all the directions it can go and agree with it.
It doesn't matter what you "care to have." If you do it in public, you have ZERO right to privacy.
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This makes no sense. People who are unhappy about something typically tell as many people as possible in order to try to effect change. This appears to have been Morrison's strategy, although somewhere Yosemite Sam is chuckling.
I'm not talking about rights, I'm talking about manners. It is perfectly legal to be rude to people, but not very nice. Not only do I think one should follow the laws, but one should also treat others with courtesy. Call me old fashioned.
Really? It makes no sense?
Showing something that you think should not be seen.
Not discussing it, talking about....actually showing it....to millions, potentially....something you think should not be seen...
You're right, that makes no sense....
I think everytime we go to an MLB game the purchace of the ticket signs away this right... but Im not sure.
Typical lefty BTF bull ####
Of course, you're right. I now applaud Logan Morrison's courage in standing up for his beliefs and leading this grass-roots resistance.
When did I approve of Morrison's behavior here? I'm talking about the outrage that's been generated simply because of Morrison's apparent dislike of public breastfeeding. (The woman in question can barely be seen, so the photo aspect is essentially meaningless, despite the hysterical response.)
Really? In which situations do you believe people have a right to privacy when in public?
This is not correct. It's not legal to do so for commercial use. The issue is the commercial use part, and is primarily an issue about money/compensation/endorsement and not privacy.
Um....I think it's the taking the picture and being a jackass that did it...nobody really cares what he does/doesn't like.
How about after they've been in an accident and are lying in the street bleeding? Or is that their fault for being injured in public?
Totally false. It's illegal to use people's likenesses for commercial purposes without their consent. TV shows like Cops are also different because the cameras follow the police onto private property and into private homes.
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The media can't take pictures of bleeding victims? Since when?
Jesus. You said "In which situations do you believe people have a right to privacy when in public?" I didn't say the media "can't." You seem a bit dense so I'm going to bow out of this now.
I think you are mistaking what people are saying. It's not a legality thing, it's a common courtesy thing.
Also, he could simply say he doesn't like it (-Place Free Speech Banner Here-). To be a douche and post a picture is what makes him, well, a douche. He's no gentleman. That's all.
See, I think this is the issue here. Jaffe questioned his baseball manhood. If he said something like "Friends don't let jackasses tweet breastfeeding pics," I think it would be different. Maybe this is why I never made it as a baseball blogger. I would never have the stones to go on Twitter to tell someone to STFU.
There's no law against taking a photo(s) of a rape in progress. The person taking the pictures might (justifiably) face criminal charges for failure to report a felony in progress, but anything that happens in public is fair game.
Now, the media has a tradition of not publishing photos of (or otherwise identifying) the victims of sexual assault, but it's not analogous to breastfeeding in public because the latter is voluntary behavior.
Just to re-iterate what a ton of people have said: if I eat a hot dog on a street, I don't think I have a legal right to privacy, but I think that if you take a picture of me doing it and post it on the internet then you're probably being a dick.
FWIW, my gun nut libertarian survivalist co-worker Andy just said he agrees with me.
EDIT: Andy describes his politics as "gun nut libertarian survivalist". I'm not being pejorative.
He did nothing of the kind.
So I'm supposed to believe that if Morrison merely expressed his dislike for public breastfeeding, minus the accompanying picture, it would have either been met with silence from the blogosphere or inspired a dispassionate debate about the issue? Not buying it.
I'm not defending Morrison here. I just hate these constant attempts to shout down anyone who has the temerity to express an unpopular opinion.
I guess I see you're point in 49, and I may not have addressed it completely, but to think that only leftys are outraged at people taking photos of breastfeeding women seems short sighted, and Id imagine plenty of right of center folks would find it annoying too.
Again, I dont think anyone is saying its illegal, just that lots of people dont like it.
A bad example. My coworker had a seisure the other day... just dropped on the floor and started convulsing. All of us could have taken a picture, but decency said that would be inappropriate. This time was not in public Iit was at work hense the bad example), but given her medical condition could happen any time in public. She could choose not to go out in public, but I think society gives her same slack by not taking photos when it happens. Society could choose to give the breastfeeding women the same courtesy to make what is a difficult circumstance just a little bit easier. This is about courtesy, not the law.
Technically, the inside of a Nordstrom store is not "public". It's private property, so Nordstrom could have asked/told LoMo to not take any photos in there if they wanted.
Right, but he attacked his baseball skills. These guys aren't robots.
Probably not, but at least it would have been a more polite discourse. People who yell and scream and rant and rave, or in this case do something on purpose to inflame rarely convince anyone.
Like walking up a flight of stairs wearing a skirt?
"Imagine that something else had happened, which was not the thing that happened. In that case, people would have been unreasonable. I have seen it in my mind pictures."
It would have been more fun if Nordstrom asked the woman not to breastfeed. The interwebs would have exploded in outrage!
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Like being raped, having a seizure is an involuntary occurrence. Regardless, Logan Morrison apparently believes "decency" says it's "inappropriate" to breastfeed in public. Whether he's right or wrong, he should be able to express his opinion about it.
Nordstrom has really nice bathrooms. There's a middle ground between "force women to breastfeed in the parking lot during a snowstorm" and "breastfeed in aisle 7."
Seriously, how would you guys like it if I said you were a bad boxing afficianado/pilot/writer/divinity student/lawyer/whatever? It would be a slap in the face.
If he'd done that, his behavior would have still been rude, but not as rude as what he actually did. As such, I suspect that people still would have criticized him for being rude, but with less vehemence since his behavior would have been less offensive.
People have the legal right to do a lot of things that they probably shouldn't do, out of common courtesy. This was one of them. Nobody's trying to put Morrison in jail - they're just exercising their right to free speech, the same way he did.
List of people in this thread who have asserted that Morrison should not be able to express his opinion about breastfeeding in public:
And right or wrong, we should be able to express our opinions about his opinion. Which is what we're doing.
Once again: The right to free speech only protects you from legal sanctions related to what you've said. It's not a magic "get-out-of-being-called-an-asshat" card.
Ok, let's shift the terms of the debate then. If this is about taking pictures of strangers being a totally cool thing to do (legal though it may be), I think you're wrong and I fear for your attempts at social interaction in the future.
If this is about whether breastfeeding in public is ok or not, then that's a different argument and I'm out.
That doesn't make it right, though. Maybe I was raised wrong, but I was told not to say something if I don't have anything nice to say. And Calxaterra, who I like, is praising this behavior.
Only one of them invades your privacy.
I'm stealing THIS one.
And yet, it's totally cool to photograph and publish photos of both on the internet.
Is LoMo a jerk? Yes, very much. But breast feeding in public will attract jerks like LoMo, and people should expect that.
Expressing his opinion would have been "rude"? Why? Who magically decided that it's beyond the pale to discuss the issue of breastfeeding in public?
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Huh? I was in a bar last night for 2 hours and probably had my picture taken involuntarily about 20 times. One of us might be out of touch when it comes to modern-day photography habits, but it isn't me.
Whaaaaa? Most of the posters aren't saying Morrison's twitter post and picture are illegal. They are saying it was rude.
I can't fathom how this is a righty/lefty distinction, unless you're asserting that only lefties have manners?
What if, instead of talking about breastfeeding, Morrison had announced he was a Nazi? And, instead of Morrison, it was Mitt Romney? I highly doubt we would be having this breastfeeding debate you libs want so much.
Society.
As a registered Republican, I just want to take this moment to tell you what an ass you are.
Morrison didn't name the woman and she unidentifiable front the blurry picture he posted, so all this faux "defending the woman's honor" nonsense is goofy. Take away the picture, and people would still be bashing Morrison as a Neanderthal because he expressed an unpopular opinion.
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Well, when a woman started breastfeeding in the middle of a busy, cramped restaurant in Syracuse* last week, "society" seemed less than impressed.
(Of course, Syracuse isn't the most enlightened place; otherwise, more people would have moved away from it.)
How many people posted the picture online for the purpose of mocking you to their legions of fans?
No. he's asserting that only rightys are misogynistst.
Really? A total stranger who you've never met and no one in your friend group (assuming you were with one) knows took your picture 20 times and posted it on the internet for the public to see? Do you look like some kind of celebrity?
And I don't care for modern-day photo habits, no. I hope you'll defend my right to my opinions as vigorously as you're defending Morisson's.
Speaking of Vegas Elvis fan, how did he feel about this weeks Yanks-M's trade?
Mitt Romney absolutely has the right to admit that he's a Nazi, if he feels like doing so. And like Morrison complaining about breastfeeding, it's probably not a great idea for him to do so, if he cares about his reputation.
This may shock you, but it's possible to defend someone's right to speak while simultaneously attacking the specific content of that speech. The two positions aren't contradictory in any way. That's why the ACLU is willing to go to bat for groups like the KKK, even though they're ######## who'd cheerfully take a bullwhip to the average ACLU member if given half a chance.
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