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Can Wilmer Flores turn out to be a success story at shortstop for Mets?

Oh, I love it when we sign pricey, big-bopping outfielders! Great track record.

[Wilmer] Flores will never be a great defensive shortstop, but the Mets hope the 23-year-old will hit enough for his bat to carry his glove.

Or, as manager Terry Collins put it Saturday night: “You’re not going to make Wilmer Flores into [Andrelton] Simmons. He’s not going to be that kind of player.”... But he’s younger and can come cheaper than… potential free agents. He is a lot cheaper than Troy Tulowitzki, who is ending another season on the disabled list, this time with a torn labrum in his hip, and is owed $118 million over the next six seasons.

Trading for the fragile but immensely talented Tulowitzki is a gamble the Yankees can afford to take. Not the Mets…

“[Flores] makes the routine play,” Collins said. “If he hits the way everybody thinks he can hit and he can make the routine play, yeah, he can play every day in the big leagues at shortstop.”

There’s a great chance this experiment will fail… But the holes at shortstop and leftfield are gargantuan. Platooning Matt den Dekker and Eric Campbell is nothing to get excited about. Both are 27 and without significant power. If they were going to be regulars at the major-league level, it already would have happened.

The Mets are going to have to spend to upgrade that position… If Flores can handle short, that gives the Mets a better shot to use their small-market checkbook to sign or trade for a pricey, big-bopping outfielder.

So give Flores a chance. Be pleasantly surprised if it works out, if it turns into a great success story. Maybe they’ll even make a movie out of it.

The District Attorney Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:07 PM | 53 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:21 PM (#4773185)
Wilmer Flores WAR

2013: -0.7

2014: -0.6

This is not a good idea.
   2. Boxkutter Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:31 PM (#4773193)
Can Wilmer Flores turn out to be a success story at shortstop for Mets?


No.
   3. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:38 PM (#4773197)
He's 23 and hit well in the minors, cut him some slack.
That said - guys with 20 speed tend not to stick at short. (Wonder how Roy Smalley graded on that tool?)
   4. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:48 PM (#4773202)
Flores could make a solid 3B, but obviously won't happen in New York.
   5. Bobvila Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:55 PM (#4773207)
Flores will be a wonderful add on chip in a Syndergaard + Flores + ?montero for Starling Castro
   6. Walt Davis Posted: August 17, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4773208)
By WAR, Tejada is at 1, a bit below average. It puts him +4 in the field, he gives that and a bit more back with the bat. Those are perfectly cromulent numbers for a starting SS.

Tejada of course has a history that puts him at about 4 WAR in 2.5-3 full seasons, about half a win below average per season. But then that's completely dominated by his horrible 2013 in which he managed to be more than a win below replacement in a mere 250 PA ... that's tough work. However this year's "offense" is fueled by a very high walk rate, including 11 IBB (just how wimpy is the manager of today?)

There are also a number of SS options on the FA market this year -- Hanley, Hardy, Drew, A Cabrera at least.

It's likely best to give Flores a position he can handle. Granted, I can't say that he can't handle SS -- his ML numbers, very small sample, are bad but not horrible. If you think he can hit, put him in LF. If you don't think he can hit that well, then consider trading Murphy and putting him at 2B.

The 2015 Mets probably aren't that far from competing for a WC spot. They need to upgrade the LF/RF combo/rotation, could use an upgrade at SS, have a solid but unspectacular rotation that could be good if Wheeler and Harvey step it up, need some bullpen improvement. They are however in the dreaded land of mediocrity where you can make a case for any individual player keeping their job (except E Young).
   7. Bobvila Posted: August 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM (#4773216)
Bullpen improvement? too volatile. Mets current bullpen + Parnell is good enough where it would be difficult to reliably get better.

Flores would be a perfect upgrade for the Cubs. They could play Russell at short and Bryant at 3b with Flores getting 300+ PA as utility IF. They could get older / better together.
   8. Lassus Posted: August 17, 2014 at 11:19 PM (#4773220)
Without getting into the snark part of it, Flores has been pretty meh, but then again D'Arnaud was worse than that and has turned it around, so.
   9. billyshears Posted: August 17, 2014 at 11:31 PM (#4773230)
Flores has only had very limited and sporadic playing time in the majors. He really needs to play everyday until the end of the season, and that won't even be enough data to make a reasonable determination as to his ability to hit major league pitching. The Mets wasted a bunch of ABs on Eric Campbell this season that should have gone to Flores.
   10. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:06 AM (#4773263)
Although there are some decent options with respect to FA, I'm not sure that's the way to go. First, the Yankees and Dodgers are going to need to replace their starting shortstops, and Boston could be as well. It's not going to be cheap and I don't love any of those options for various reasons.

I'd actually like to see if the Mets can trade for Alexei Ramirez. He's a good player singed for reasonable money, and he is signed for 2015 with a team option for 2015. The Mets have the minor league depth to make that move.

I wouldn't be against going with Flores going into next season as the starter. If he falls on his face, Tejada can be a place holder with the hope that Matt Reynolds is ready to help at some point.

Reynolds has been hitting really well in AAA.

I think it's likely that Flores is traded this offseason.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:19 AM (#4773265)
If he falls on his face, Tejada can be a place holder with the hope that Matt Reynolds is ready to help at some point.


Matt Reynolds is not a good enough prospect for anyone above him to be called a "place holder."
   12. zack Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:24 AM (#4773269)
I really wish the Mets AAA affiliate wasn't on the moon so I could have some inherent sense of what is good and bad. Should never have broke up with Tidewater.
   13. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:45 AM (#4773272)
Matt Reynolds is not a good enough prospect for anyone above him to be called a "place holder."

Fair enough. What I meant to say is that I could live with an offseason SS plan being Flores as Plan A, and some combo of Tejada/Reynolds as Plan B.
   14. adenzeno Posted: August 18, 2014 at 09:01 AM (#4773309)
Flores has always hit, and when he hits, the sound is different than lots of players(in a good way). Watching him at SS, he does not seem worse than Tejada, not better but not worse , BUT his hitting ability is far above Tejada. As to why the Mets don't put him in LF is a good question(or RF). Hopefully the Mets keep him..I know he does not walk a lot, but that should improve, and I think he will be a very good hitter..I am glad and surprised that they have decided to play him a lot the rest of the year.
   15. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 18, 2014 at 09:28 AM (#4773323)
The Mets wasted a bunch of ABs on Eric Campbell this season that should have gone to Flores.


The Mets wasted a bunch of ABs on the Youngs this season that should have gone to Flores.

FTFY
   16. formerly dp Posted: August 18, 2014 at 09:54 AM (#4773338)
I really wish the Mets AAA affiliate wasn't on the moon so I could have some inherent sense of what is good and bad. Should never have broke up with Tidewater.
+1. I was hoping the partnership would only be temporary, but no such luck so far...
As to why the Mets don't put him in LF is a good question(or RF).
1) We don't know if he can handle a corner OF spot. 2) His bat becomes less appealing if he's in a corner.
I am glad and surprised that they have decided to play him a lot the rest of the year.
Yeah, I'm really pleased with this decision. Though it looks like he may be going back to 3B if Wright needs to miss significant time. The Mets need to be patient with Flores-- Lassus mentioned d'Arnaud above, and I think that lesson should be instructive here. Flores has hit at every level in the minors, mostly while playing SS, and in every instance, he has been on the younger side relative to the competition.

D'Arnaud since being recalled is at .273/.321/.493-- that's an impressive line, and I wonder if the lower walk rate indicates a significant change in his approach.

The ETA for Nimmo and Herrera has to be mid-2015 with the way they're both going this year. It's going to start getting tough to find ABs for everyone at the ML level to sort through what they have in these guys, which sort of underscores Johnny's point about all of the ABs wasted on the Youngs this year.
   17. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 18, 2014 at 10:10 AM (#4773357)
Should never have broke up with Tidewater.


They didn't have that option, the Tides were bought in 2000 by an entity, Maryland Baseball Holding LLC, whose owner is BFF with Peter Angelos, basically as soon as the deal he inherited with the Mets expired he switched to Baltimore because that's what he does with all his minor league teams.

Where the Mets screwed up was with Buffalo.
   18. JE (Jason) Posted: August 18, 2014 at 10:18 AM (#4773365)
+1. I was hoping the partnership would only be temporary, but no such luck so far...

I am no fan of having the Triple-A club in Las Vegas but the venue is way less miserable than the swamps outside New Orleans.
   19. formerly dp Posted: August 18, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4773377)
I am no fan of having the Triple-A club in Las Vegas but the venue is way less miserable than the swamps outside New Orleans.
With all of the viable spots in the northeast, it's weird that these would be the two choices. They could have had Syracuse when the Jays bailed, right? And why does Albany not have a AAA team? It's a bigger market than Syracuse and Rochester.
   20. zonk Posted: August 18, 2014 at 10:54 AM (#4773400)
Flores would be a perfect upgrade for the Cubs. They could play Russell at short and Bryant at 3b with Flores getting 300+ PA as utility IF. They could get older / better together.


The Cubs already have Alcantara who could fit this bill, plus Logan Watkins - who's no great shakes -- but has a cromulent enough minor league track record to play all over... plus Valbuena doesn't appear to be going anywhere.

I'm not averse to dealing Castro - or Russell, for that matter - and the Mets seem like they'd be a pretty good fit... but the deal almost has to be about arms. Bobvila's #5 seems like a good place to start - but I'd rather look at maybe an OF or another arm than Flores...
   21. formerly dp Posted: August 18, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4773415)
I'm not averse to dealing Castro - or Russell, for that matter - and the Mets seem like they'd be a pretty good fit... but the deal almost has to be about arms.
This came up in an earlier Met thread-- I don't think he'd be worth the cost for the Mets. I think they need to keep as many of their young arms (Wheeler, Harvey, Syndergaard, deGrom, Montero) as possible, and move the vets like Gee and Niese instead. This will likely mean a much lower return, but each of the younger guys, maybe with the exception of Montero, have a higher upside than the ones from the older generation.
   22. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 18, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4773468)
It's likely best to give Flores a position he can handle. Granted, I can't say that he can't handle SS -- his ML numbers, very small sample, are bad but not horrible. If you think he can hit, put him in LF. If you don't think he can hit that well, then consider trading Murphy and putting him at 2B.


Honestly, if Wright's health keeps trending down, the Mets may need him at third for a decent chunk of next year. I hate to say it, but there it is.
   23. Lassus Posted: August 18, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4773477)
I really wish the Mets AAA affiliate wasn't on the moon so I could have some inherent sense of what is good and bad. Should never have broke up with Tidewater.

+1. I was hoping the partnership would only be temporary, but no such luck so far...

Utica is available.
   24. The District Attorney Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:03 PM (#4773485)
You should be able to get something good for Niese, since his contract is very friendly. But it's tough to say who should be traded, since it's just a question of what offers are coming in. I think the only guy, rightly or wrongly, whom the team would not consider trading is Harvey. I don't exactly think they're dying to trade Wheeler, but you can't take him "off the table" either.

I certainly don't get how it would help any of the Cubs, the Mets, or Flores himself to trade him to the Cubs. If the way to handle Flores is to make him a utility infielder, the Mets could do that themselves. I think most people don't think that's the way to go; they think the best way to develop a guy is to assign him to a specific position. I agree with the basic premise of the article that it's worth a shot to try Flores at SS, but that it is a long shot. Collins's quotes seem to demonstrate the minimal level of enthusiasm one could politically get away with expressing. I totally agree with #14 that I don't know why LF is so out of the question.
   25. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4773497)
Bobvila's #5 seems like a good place to start - but I'd rather look at maybe an OF or another arm than Flores...

The Mets need OF prospects more than any other team in baseball. Other than Brandon Nimmo, I don't think they have a legitimate OF prospect and there is certainly a need on the big league club.

This came up in an earlier Met thread-- I don't think he'd be worth the cost for the Mets.

Castro is already a good player, is only 24 years old, and is signed to a pretty reasonable long-term extension. As much as I hate to give up that package, I think that's something the Mets should do if that were an option.
   26. PreservedFish Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:14 PM (#4773503)
As a long-time skeptic of Flores I don't see the need to move pieces around to accommodate him. Is it better to park him at one place and give him 500 ABs? Sure it is. But would that be so much better for his development that it should guide other personnel decisions? I don't know about that. Let Flores bounce around for another year, giving him those ABs that guys like Campbell, Satin and Turner have gotten in recent years. Let him be the super utility guy.
   27. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:16 PM (#4773507)
It really is confusing to me that the Mets haven't given Flores a shot at LF. It seems like an obvious move for this team. I think that's the reason why he won't be given a super utility role; the team doesn't seem to think he can handle the OF.
   28. Conor Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4773511)
I know Flores has killed the ball in AAA, but it is Vegas. I'm not exactly convinced he's gonna hit a ton at the big league level. I could just be biased against him. Still think they should play him every day though.
   29. bfan Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM (#4773516)
It really is confusing to me that the Mets haven't given Flores a shot at LF.


so we stick a guy with a sub 80 OPS+ in MLB, and a minor league career OPS of about .780, into a hitting position (LF)? I think this bat at SS makes more sense, as maybe he doesn't have the glove for ss, but it sure looks like he doesn't have the bat for LF, either.
   30. billyshears Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:25 PM (#4773519)
I really wish the Mets AAA affiliate wasn't on the moon so I could have some inherent sense of what is good and bad. Should never have broke up with Tidewater.


I was really skeptical of Matt Reynolds, but he kept hitting so I started to believe a bit. Then I read that he had only the 6th highest OPS of any Las Vegas player, and my skepticism was renewed.
   31. formerly dp Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4773523)
I know Flores has killed the ball in AAA,
As a 20 year-old splitting time between A and AA, he hit .300/.349/.479, and actually improved upon his promotion to AA. That, to me, suggests there's some legitimacy to his Vegas performance.
===
Utica is available.
Thanks Cal Ripken.
   32. Buck Coats Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4773524)
You should be able to get something good for Niese, since his contract is very friendly.


On the other hand, didn't he just pass through trade waivers unclaimed?
   33. Elvis Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM (#4773526)
The Mets tried Lucas Duda in the OF over several seasons. The fact that they considered Duda a potential OF and not Flores should tell you all you need to know.

I appreciate the fact that international players don't all have the same cookie-cutter swings that American-born players have. But, having said that, I hate Flores' swing and I'm amazed that they didn't overhaul his swing five years ago.

Tejada seemed to take a nice step forward with his defense this year. He's a lot better in the field right now than Flores.

If Flores has any trade value, the Mets should deal him this winter. He's not good enough to play SS and the Mets have two better options at both 2B (Murphy, Herrera) and 3B (Wright, Campbell).
   34. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 18, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4773543)
so we stick a guy with a sub 80 OPS+ in MLB, and a minor league career OPS of about .780, into a hitting position (LF)? I think this bat at SS makes more sense, as maybe he doesn't have the glove for ss, but it sure looks like he doesn't have the bat for LF, either.


a .855 OPS in AA and .903 in AAA, I'm not sure how relevant his struggles in the Sallie League when he was 17 are relevant to where he is now.

I was really skeptical of Matt Reynolds, but he kept hitting so I started to believe a bit. Then I read that he had only the 6th highest OPS of any Las Vegas player, and my skepticism was renewed.


Reynolds hit .225/.300/.335 last year (almost all at St Lucie)
he's hitting .344/.409/.461 this year, the improvement is literally 50 extra singles, either 2013 or 2014 is/was one hell of a BABIP fluke, and I wouldn't bet on 2013 being the fluke outlier
   35. The District Attorney Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4773620)
Heh, this is timely... a New York Post article entitled "Mets have pitching, Cubs hitting — so why hasn’t a deal happened?"
The rest of the sport keeps trying to play matchmaker between the Mets and Cubs. Talk to an executive about the Mets’ search for hitting or the Cubs’ hunt for pitching and inevitably you get some version of, “If you have any reason why these teams should not be united in trade, speak now or forever hold your peace.”...

In an age of decreased offense, the Cubs’ theory is he who has the most prime-aged quality hitters is king.

Also, the Cubs see avenues to rotation help without touching the hitters. Their pitching coach, Chris Bosio, has shown an ability to resurrect careers (Ryan Dempster, Scott Feldman, Jason Hammel, Jake Arrieta). Plus with so many cost-effective young hitters such as Arismendy Alcantara, Javier Baez, Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Jorge Soler, etc., Chicago can use its money to buy pitching. Key members of the front office, for example, have long-standing relationships with Jon Lester, a free agent this coming offseason, and David Price, a free agent after 2015...

An NL executive described the Mets this way: “They don’t make a lot of trades and that is because they really don’t like to give up what they perceive as their big talent, unless they can convince you to give them $2 for their 35 cents.”

Strategically, general manager Sandy Alderson also is concerned how quickly you can go from too much to not enough pitching...

the Mets would have to give up more than just a pitcher — no matter how talented Wheeler or Syndergaard is — to get a Cubs shortstop... the sense I get currently from the Mets is they would like to protect Harvey, Syndergaard and probably Wheeler and use other elements to solve positional problems. So I could see the Mets shooting a little lower on the shortstop food chain by trying to use Dillon Gee, Niese, Sunday’s starter Rafael Montero or others from their deep trove to see if they could get, say, the White Sox’s Alexei Ramirez or try for an Arizona shortstop — the Diamondbacks seem much more willing to talk Didi Gregorius than Chris Owings, but while a defensive whiz, Gregorius might not project to hit enough for the Mets.

The lack of quality available inventory at shortstop ultimately could push the Mets even more toward the Cubs, who have Castro, Russell and Javier Baez. The matchmakers just might ultimately have it right.
   36. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4773647)
Do we care at all that Wilfredo Tovar is hitting .299/.370/.377 in AA? The batitng average, strike zone judgment (More BB than Ks), and defense are all good. The power seems Rubenesque so I guess we don't care. He's still pretty young at 23.
   37. PreservedFish Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4773656)
So who are our pitchers for 2015?

1. Harvey
2. Wheeler
3. Niese
4. Gee
5. Colon
6. DeGrom
7. Syndergaard
8. Montero

It is nice to have so many young or youngish pitchers that we like, but I'm not seeing an equivalent glut here to what the Cubs have. I don't think the Mets should feel compelled to deal from this strength. Sometimes you need 8 starters. Obviously if the deal is right, you do it, but that's always true of any team and any deal, so that's like saying nothing at all.

   38. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:47 PM (#4773663)
You probably can add Steven Matz to that list as well. He has pitched very well in AA this year. Also, and I may be the only one who thinks this, but I wouldn't hate the idea of letting Mejia start again. I think they were too quick to send him to the bullpen.

Matthew Bowman has pitched very well this year but I don't know much about him. Did well in AA and off to a hot start in AAA.
   39. PreservedFish Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4773677)
Do we care at all that Wilfredo Tovar is hitting .299/.370/.377 in AA? The batitng average, strike zone judgment (More BB than Ks), and defense are all good.


In his THIRD YEAR at the level? No, we do not care.

I hate it to break if to you Russlan, but guys like Wilfredo Tovar and Matt Reynolds ... they aren't worth talking about. Sure, sometimes these guys end up as contributors or even regulars. But if you're the GM of the Mets they are essentially irrelevant. No short- or longterm plan will ever consider them. They are lottery tickets, and in this case, and the jackpot is a cheap utility infielder.

To me, there are two types of prospects. There are guys that you think will be good starters for your team. Travis D'Arnaud and Zack Wheeler, for example. You clean roster space for these guys so they get regular appearances. Then there are guys that you like but you're not sure about. Flores and Montero are in this category for me. I'll give them as many opportunities as possible, but I'm not going to plan around their arrival or bump a solid veteran out of the way. Reynolds and Tovar? Not prospects.
   40. billyshears Posted: August 18, 2014 at 02:15 PM (#4773720)
Reynolds and Tovar? Not prospects.


I think this is a bit hard on Reynolds. He was a second round pick, is only in his second full season and he's hitting rather well at AAA. I agree that he's not a guy to plan around, but he is a bit of a prospect.
   41. zack Posted: August 18, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4773752)
They didn't have that option, the Tides were bought in 2000 by an entity, Maryland Baseball Holding LLC

Yeah, I know it wasn't their idea. It just seems like ever since then the AAA team has been a mess. I was really happy when they were in Buffalo and then they screwed that up too.

They could have had Syracuse when the Jays bailed, right? And why does Albany not have a AAA team? It's a bigger market than Syracuse and Rochester.

The Jays left Syracuse several years before they hooked up with Buffalo, they were in Vegas in the interim and that's how the Mets ended up with that particular musical chair. The (Sky)chiefs have been with the Nats since 2009.

And no, Albany is not a bigger market than Rochester. Rochester has just over 1m in the metro, Albany is around 880k, Syracuse around 660k. As a resident of the foremost, I challenge you to pistols at dawn. Albany doesn't have a very good baseball history, unlike the Red Wings (continually in the IL since the 30's) and Chiefs (since the 60's, and earlier in the EL). They had an EL team for roughly the mid-80's through the mid-90's, and NYP team in the 2000's. The latter plays in a community college park, the former EL stadium looks like this. That's a long-winded way of saying that it'd cost a lot more money and energy to put a IL franchise in Albany.
   42. formerly dp Posted: August 18, 2014 at 02:40 PM (#4773761)
Flores has any trade value, the Mets should deal him this winter. He's not good enough to play SS and the Mets have two better options at both 2B (Murphy, Herrera) and 3B (Wright, Campbell).
How is Campbell better than Flores? He's 27, and it took him 3 years to figure out AA. To me, he looks very well-suited to his current role, but it seems like he would be stretched outside of it. Perhaps I'm underestimating him.
   43. Conor Posted: August 18, 2014 at 02:43 PM (#4773765)
I know Flores hit before Vegas, and he was still one of the youngest players in AAA. I just am not convinced he's gonna hit. It makes no sense really, for some reason I'm just really skeptical of him.

   44. Elvis Posted: August 18, 2014 at 02:53 PM (#4773781)
Campbell has outhit Flores at both Triple-A and the majors, although neither has a ton of time under their belt in Queens. The ball appears to jump off Campbell's bat while Flores' forte seems to be a soft liner to the opposite field.

If you want to say that his age makes him better, I won't object too much but it's really not important because neither one is playing third as long as Wright's around.
   45. formerly dp Posted: August 18, 2014 at 02:58 PM (#4773788)
The (Sky)chiefs have been with the Nats since 2009.
OK, I feel old now. I loved me some (non-Sky)Chiefs when I was growing up, and it gave Syracuse a bit of a connection to the Jays(particularly when the Yankees sucked), which has vanished entirely now.
And no, Albany is not a bigger market than Rochester. Rochester has just over 1m in the metro, Albany is around 880k, Syracuse around 660k.
Thanks for the numbers. 1 out of 2 isn't bad.
As a resident of the foremost,
I apologize for your misfortune. Kidding, sort of.
That's a long-winded way of saying that it'd cost a lot more money and energy to put a IL franchise in Albany.
Well, they wouldn't be the smallest city with a AAA team. What's tricky with Albany, though, is its proximity to NYC-- really easy to get into the city and see real MLB, then hop in the car and be home before too ridiculous of an hour. This is a little harder in Syracuse or Rochester.

Anyway, Vegas seems to be about the most undesirable location for their AAA team.
   46. formerly dp Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:01 PM (#4773800)
I know Flores hit before Vegas, and he was still one of the youngest players in AAA. I just am not convinced he's gonna hit. It makes no sense really, for some reason I'm just really skeptical of him.
Watching him in this trial, it's understandable-- he just doesn't seem to have any sort of a plan at the plate. A lot of weak contact. But everyone looks bad when they're not going well, and I think he would benefit from hitting a little higher in the order, he doesn't have Tejada's patience to take a walk when they're not giving him anything to hit.
   47. PreservedFish Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:09 PM (#4773815)
I think this is a bit hard on Reynolds. He was a second round pick, is only in his second full season and he's hitting rather well at AAA. I agree that he's not a guy to plan around, but he is a bit of a prospect.


Fair enough. Mayhaps I was too hard on the fellow.
   48. Lassus Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:38 PM (#4773867)
I apologize for your misfortune. Kidding, sort of.

I believe he meant Rochester, and if you are ragging on Rochester, I know where you're from and that ain't gonna fly. Honestly, ragging on Albany wouldn't even be right. You're limited to like, Bakersfield, Gary IN, and, I dunno, maybe Anchorage. That's about it.
   49. formerly dp Posted: August 18, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4773882)
I know where you're from and that ain't gonna fly.
Yeah, but I left...

Lots of love for Albany though, great city.
   50. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: August 18, 2014 at 04:56 PM (#4773963)
Anyway, Vegas seems to be about the most undesirable location for their AAA team.

I'd go so far as to say that it's the least desired AAA market to affiliate with (incl. New Orleans).
   51. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 18, 2014 at 06:05 PM (#4774046)
I'd go so far as to say that it's the least desired AAA market to affiliate with (incl. New Orleans).


If push came to shove, I'd probably rather have Vegas than Colorado Springs.
   52. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 19, 2014 at 10:22 AM (#4774367)
I haven't watched the games but Wilmer has made some nice highlight reel plays recently. How has he looked?
   53. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: August 19, 2014 at 11:18 AM (#4774442)
If push came to shove, I'd probably rather have Vegas than Colorado Springs.

Sure - I can see that being true for a lot of teams, but not for Denver. If Las Vegas can't forge a relationship with a southern California team or Phoenix... it's rough sledding for them.

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