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Career hit leaders for each team

In light of all the Jeter news about his impending franchise record, we get the franchise-by-franchise list for career hits leaders.

NaOH Posted: September 09, 2009 at 04:53 PM | 60 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JRVJ (formerly Delta Socrates) Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:20 PM (#3317768)
I was surprised at how low the all-time Philly hit record stood (no disrespect to Mike Schmidt, but 2234 hits seem low for a franchise as old as Philly. Granted, the Phillies sucked for most of their history, but still).

Jimmy Rollins is the only active on the top 10 hit list at 1598, which I guess means that he could catch Schmidt if he has 4 to 5 healthy seasons with the Phils. However, his numbers have trended down, so I wouldn't bet on him catching Schmidt (Chase Utley only has 959 hits, so he's not a candidate, either).
   2. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:23 PM (#3317774)
how "ironic". I think this list was part of a thread yesterday, reformatted to be posted to a blog, then re-linked to here.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:24 PM (#3317777)
The Mets hit leader seems absurdly low for a franchise that is nearly 50 years old now. Carl Crawford will likely pass Ed Kranepool next year, meaning the Mets will have the lowest career hit record out of any franchise.

I guess it is hard to think of guys who spent a really long time with the Mets. Even guys I associate with playing with them a long time - Keith Hernandez, Gary Carter, Mike Piazza - all spent a lot of time with other clubs.

Here is the Mets list:

1. Ed Kranepool 1418
2. Cleon Jones 1188
3. Edgardo Alfonzo 1136
4. Mookie Wilson 1112
5. Bud Harrelson 1029
6. Mike Piazza 1028
7. Daryl Strawberry 1025
8. Howard Johnson 997
9. Jerry Grote 994
10.David Wright 963

16.Rey Ordonez 720

Yikes.
   4. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:25 PM (#3317779)
   5. StHendu Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:25 PM (#3317781)
It’s amazing given their history that the Yankees didn’t have somebody collect 3,000 hits along the way.


How many players had 3,000 hits for one team? I count 13.
   6. NaOH Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:26 PM (#3317783)
I think this list was part of a thread yesterday, reformatted to be posted to a blog, then re-linked to here.

I didn't see the thread which had this list yesterday. Apologies for an unnecessary re-link.

Regarding Kranepool as the Mets leader, there's a good article in the NY Times today about him.
   7. JRVJ (formerly Delta Socrates) Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:27 PM (#3317786)
The Mets hit leader seems absurdly low for a franchise that is nearly 50 years old now. Carl Crawford will likely pass Ed Kranepool next year, meaning the Mets will have the lowest career hit record out of any franchise.


David Wright is the only active Met on the top 10 list for hits, at 963.

Health permitting, he passes Kranepool in about 3 years
   8. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:28 PM (#3317787)
Meanwhile, pretty sad that the Mets have never had somebody stick around long enough to collect even 1,500 hits. Kranepool was a .261 hitter who made the All-Star team once and never had more than 133 hits in a season.


Kranepool is also far and away the best retired player to play exclusively for the Mets. He's better than Bruce Benedict though.

By the middle of next year, the Rays will pass the Mets (Crawford), leaving them 3 from the bottom, ahead of only Arizona and Florida with their two Luises.
   9. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:28 PM (#3317788)
For a long time, people would joke about how pathetic it was Ed Kranepool was the Mets' career leader in hits. I haven't heard anyone talk about that in a while, but there he jolly well is, still to this day.

It's not like anyone is on the verge of catching him, either. David Wright should get there some day, but he's still 450 hits behind.
   10. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:28 PM (#3317789)
I was surprised at how low the all-time Philly hit record stood (no disrespect to Mike Schmidt, but 2234 hits seem low for a franchise as old as Philly. Granted, the Phillies sucked for most of their history, but still).


Heck, Cleveland's hit leader is still Nap Lajoie. Should never have changed the name from the Naps.
   11. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:29 PM (#3317791)
The Mets hit leader seems absurdly low for a franchise that is nearly 50 years old now. Carl Crawford will likely pass Ed Kranepool next year, meaning the Mets will have the lowest career hit record out of any franchise.


not true, as per #8.
   12. cardsfanboy Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:36 PM (#3317800)
how "ironic". I think this list was part of a thread yesterday, reformatted to be posted to a blog, then re-linked to here.

that list only had the original franchises, the rest of the franchises are included in this list so it's clear he got his info from more than that thread.
   13. Tracy Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:41 PM (#3317809)
I was surprised at how low the all-time Philly hit record stood (no disrespect to Mike Schmidt, but 2234 hits seem low for a franchise as old as Philly. Granted, the Phillies sucked for most of their history, but still).


I'm equally surprised that the Athletics' leader is Bert Campaneris.
   14. DL from MN Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:41 PM (#3317810)
Senators get Sam Rice, the Twins only leader is Puckett
   15. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:41 PM (#3317811)
I'm more surprised that the A's leader is so low than I am about the Mets. I'm even more surprised that Sam Malone was surprised a few seconds before I was.
   16. RJ in TO Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:42 PM (#3317813)
How many players had 3,000 hits for one team? I count 13.


Rose, Cobb, Musial, Aaron, Mays, Ripken, Gwynn, Yount, Brett, Yaz, Wagner, Biggio, Clemente, Kaline.

I get 14.
   17. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:45 PM (#3317817)
Wagner came up a little short with the Pirates.
   18. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:46 PM (#3317819)
The Mets hit leader seems absurdly low for a franchise that is nearly 50 years old now. Carl Crawford will likely pass Ed Kranepool next year, meaning the Mets will have the lowest career hit record out of any franchise.

It does seem low - but on the bright side you achieved to which a person can reasonably hope for: inspiring a quick bit at THT Live
   19. Delorians Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:46 PM (#3317820)
Without looking at the article, I decided to take a stab at guessing the leaders for each team. I've ranked them in order of certainty from highest to lowest.

1-Cobb-Tigers
2-Rose-Reds
3-Yount-Brewers
4-Gwynn-Padres
5-Brett-Royals
6-Ripken-Orioles
7-Biggio-Astros
8-Musial-Cardinals
9-Yaztremski-Red Sox
10-Aaron-Braves
11-Mays-Giants
12-Wagner-Pirates
13-Gehrig/about to be Jeter-Yankees
14-Anson-Cubs
15-Crawford-Rays
16-Collins-Athletics
17-Helton-Rockies
18-I Rodriguez-Rangers
19-Schmidt-Phillies
20-L Gonzalez-Diamondbacks
21-T Fernandez-Blue Jays
22-Sheffield-Marlins
23-Appling-White Sox
24-Speaker-Indians
25-Dawson-Expos
26-Snider-Dodgers
27-G Anderson-Angels
28-Puckett-Twins
29-E Martinez-Mariners
30-Strawberry-Mets
   20. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:48 PM (#3317825)
Rose, Cobb, Musial, Aaron, Mays, Ripken, Gwynn, Yount, Brett, Yaz, Wagner, Biggio, Clemente, Kaline.

I get 14.


The discrepancy must arise from there being one player who had 3,000 hits for one team despite not being that team's career hits leader. (Kaline)
   21. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:48 PM (#3317826)
Among those, I think only Rose got 3,000 hits for one team and some more for another, but that depends on whether you think a Milwaukee and Atlanta are the same team.

*EDIT*

Whoops! Forgot Mays.
   22. Srul Itza Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:48 PM (#3317827)
I was surprised at how low the all-time Philly hit record stood


What about the A's? Bert Campaneris at 1882, and yes, that includes the Philadelphia and KC A's -- over 100 years of history, and not player ever broke 2,000?

EDIT: Should have refreshed before posting

Also, only one guy on the list is active on the team for which he is the leader: I-Rod.

With a home run today, 1,737, and counting.
   23. NaOH Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:49 PM (#3317829)
Delorians, you missed the Cubs, Athletics, Marlins, Dodgers, Indians, Expos/Nats, and Mets. Nice job.

Edit: Not wrong on the Cubs as per Misirlou below.
   24. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:50 PM (#3317830)
Rose, Cobb, Musial, Aaron, Mays, Ripken, Gwynn, Yount, Brett, Yaz, Wagner, Biggio, Clemente, Kaline.

I get 14.


Tricksey. 13 teams have had someone get 3,000 hits for them, but 14players have done it. The tigers have a very impressive list. 7 players with more than the top Athletic.

And I just realized than Banks is wrong for the Cubs. It's Anson with 2995.
   25. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:52 PM (#3317831)
Connie Mack kept getting rid of his stars. Al Simmons had 1796 hits for the A's, and had just gotten 216 at the age of 30, when Connie sold him to the White Sox. Eddie Collins was just 27 with 1221 hits, and coming off an MVP year with 181 hits, when Connie - you guessed it - sold him to the White Sox.
   26. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:53 PM (#3317832)
Among those, I think only Rose got 3,000 hits for one team and some more for another, but that depends on whether you think a Milwaukee and Atlanta are the same team.

*EDIT*

Whoops! Forgot Mays.


And Aaron and Cobb.
   27. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:53 PM (#3317833)
No, it's 12 teams and 13 players. Honus Wagner had 2967 hits for Pittsburgh.
   28. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3317837)
Delorians, you missed the Cubs,


No, he's right, the blog list is wrong.
   29. SoSH U at work Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:55 PM (#3317838)
Among those, I think only Rose got 3,000 hits for one team and some more for another, but that depends on whether you think a Milwaukee and Atlanta are the same team.


Well, they weren't, at least the version of Milwaukee that Hank finished his career with.
   30. SoSH U at work Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:57 PM (#3317843)
Delorians, you missed the Cubs, Athletics, Marlins, Dodgers, Indians, Expos/Nats, and Mets. Nice job.


Didn't Delorians miss the Twins. Shouldn't that be Sam Rice?
   31. stealfirstbase Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:57 PM (#3317844)
Cobb and Musial. Those are two team records that won't be broken anytime soon.
   32. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: September 09, 2009 at 05:59 PM (#3317845)
Washington: Tim Wallach – 1,694

I knew it!

I know we're talking "franchise", but darn, "Washington" just does not sound right...

I'm actually surprised Wallach is ahead of Dawson, Guerrero, Carter and Raines
   33. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:04 PM (#3317852)
Cobb and Musial. Those are two team records that won't be broken anytime soon.


While it's never a good bet to say a player will get 2,000 more hits in his career, if he keeps up his career pace (again, not a good bet), Pujols will pass 3630 hits before he's 40.

Again, not good odds, so your declaration has a very good chance to be correct. But it seems odd to make it when the best hitter in baseball is under 30 and already nearly 50% there.
   34. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:06 PM (#3317855)
Also, only one guy on the list is active on the team for which he is the leader: I-Rod.


Ichiro could get there by late next season. He's 247 behind Edgar
   35. Srul Itza Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:08 PM (#3317859)
Ichiro could get there by late next season. He's 247 behind Edgar


He's slowing down some. I put my money on very early the season after that.
   36. flournoy Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:08 PM (#3317860)
Helton is active and on the Rockies...
   37. OsunaSakata Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:09 PM (#3317864)
I know we're talking "franchise", but darn, "Washington" just does not sound right...


Washington Nationals 2005-Present is of course, Ryan Zimmerman.
   38. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:11 PM (#3317868)
And Crawford on the Rays.
   39. cardsfanboy Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:12 PM (#3317869)
Again, not good odds, so your declaration has a very good chance to be correct. But it seems odd to make it when the best hitter in baseball is under 30 and already nearly 50% there.

is he going to be a Cardinal though for that entire time frame?
   40. Delorians Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:14 PM (#3317871)
Back from checking the article and checking the BBREF pages of the guys I incorrectly guessed.
As someone already pointed out, Anson is the Cubs leader.
I was surprised to learn that Collins and Speaker each spent much of their prime playing for a second team.
Surprised that Sheffield had so few hits (and years played with the Marlins (or any one team, for that matter)
I knew that Wagner started in Louisville, but somehow I thought that was the same franchise that moved to Pittsburgh, i was wrong.
Several of my other misses were just guesses (Strawberry, Snider, Puckett).
   41. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:19 PM (#3317874)
He's slowing down some. I put my money on very early the season after that.


As would I. But say 25 more hits this year and he's now 222 behind. not a good bet, not not a ridiculous proposition either.

IRod is the current Rangers leader, but Michael Young is not far behind, and should move past him next year, unless Ivan resigns with the team.
   42. RJ in TO Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:20 PM (#3317875)
is he going to be a Cardinal though for that entire time frame?


I'm fully in favor of changing the law of the land to ensure that he is.

Honestly, I expect him to re-sign with the Cards, and eventually retire with the Cards. He's already the face of the franchise, and it's a franchise that has done a remarkably good job of keeping their stars. Combine that with the PR hit they'd take by letting him walk, and I think it's almost a sure thing.
   43. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:24 PM (#3317882)
is he going to be a Cardinal though for that entire time frame?


Another bit of uncertainty which lowers the odds. But again, an odd declaration, kind of like someone saying "There will never be a 30 game winner for a long time" when there is someone with 23 wins on Sept 1.
   44. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:27 PM (#3317886)
Campaneris leading the A's is just amazing. I was floored by that. Most games and plate appearances in franchise history, too.

Eric Chavez had 1,026 through his age-27 season. He would have pretty easily broken it. Man, he was so good there, even pretty recently. It's hard to remember that now. Best current bet has to be Kurt Suzuki. 333 at 25, with a contact-approach. After that would be like Ryan Sweeney I guess, but whereas I see Suzuki's chances as being small, but not non-existent, I see Sweeney's as entirely non-existent.
   45. cardsfanboy Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:28 PM (#3317887)
I'm fully in favor of changing the law of the land to ensure that he is.

you could be a republican, and you would still get my vote on that platform.
   46. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:34 PM (#3317894)
Connie Mack kept getting rid of his stars. Al Simmons had 1796 hits for the A's, and had just gotten 216 at the age of 30, when Connie sold him to the White Sox. Eddie Collins was just 27 with 1221 hits, and coming off an MVP year with 181 hits, when Connie - you guessed it - sold him to the White Sox.

It's not just Connie Mack, either. Reggie Jackson, Mark McGwire, Rickey!... the A's have basically always had trouble holding onto superstars.
   47. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:36 PM (#3317897)
Without looking at the article, I decided to take a stab at guessing the leaders for each team. I've ranked them in order of certainty from highest to lowest.

Good guesses, but did you really think Carl Crawford had more hits than Kirby Puckett, Mike Schmidt or Edgar Martinez?
   48. JPWF13 Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:36 PM (#3317898)
It's not like anyone is on the verge of catching him, either. David Wright should get there some day, but he's still 450 hits behind.


Reyes was ahead of Wright until his extended DL spell this year
he has 960 to Wright's 963.

If he's allowed to he should pass Kranepool as well.
   49. cardsfanboy Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:38 PM (#3317901)
Good guesses, but did you really think Carl Crawford had more hits than Kirby Puckett, Mike Schmidt or Edgar Martinez?

he wasn't sorting by hits, he was sorting by certainty of which teams he felt most sure about. With the Rays Crawford was the only real choice, with the other teams there are more options.
   50. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:38 PM (#3317902)
Good guesses, but did you really think Carl Crawford had more hits than Kirby Puckett, Mike Schmidt or Edgar Martinez?


He ranked them in order of his certainty the guess was correct.
   51. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:46 PM (#3317912)
It's not just Connie Mack, either. Reggie Jackson, Mark McGwire, Rickey!... the A's have basically always had trouble holding onto superstars.



Hell, even Giambi and Tejada could've staked their claim if they'd been kept around.
   52. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 09, 2009 at 06:48 PM (#3317914)

He ranked them in order of his certainty the guess was correct.


Aha! My apologies!
   53. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: September 09, 2009 at 07:23 PM (#3317952)
Some hits leaders of defunct franchises:

Chicago (FL) - Dutch Zwilling, 342 (most by any player for one Federal League franchise)

Louisville (AA/NL) - Jimmy "Chicken" Wolf, 1,438

(old) Baltimore Orioles (NL) - Joe Somer, 670

Cleveland Spiders (NL) - Ed McKean, 2,011 (most by any player with a defunct team)

Chicago (Players League) - Hugh Duffy, 191 (most by any player for one PL team)

Washington (UA) - Harry Moore, 155 (Fred Dunlap and Orator Shaffer had more for St. Louis, but that team also played briefly in the NL. Moore has the most for any franchise that didn't play outside the UA. [And nobody has any idea who Moore was, since he never played anywhere else!])

Wilmington Quicksteps (UA) - Tom Lynch, 16 (just because I could)

Baltimore Marylands (NA; played a total of six games, lost them all) - Three players with 4.
   54. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 09, 2009 at 08:01 PM (#3318003)
I wouldn't have guessed Lynch for the Quicksteps, I thought Redlegs Snyder or even Oyster Burns would have had more.
   55. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: September 09, 2009 at 08:12 PM (#3318027)
I thought Somers as the leader for the old Orioles looked wrong: it's actually 1,097 for Willie Keeler, just ahead of Joe Kelley and John McGraw...
   56. jingoist Posted: September 09, 2009 at 08:30 PM (#3318053)
The Quicksteps?
Did they all have loose bowels?
   57. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 10, 2009 at 12:05 AM (#3318335)
#53, Damn, that's impressive work and a fun list...thanks for the info.
Didn't the Spiders lose like 120+ games on year? How many hits did McKean get that year?
   58. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 10, 2009 at 12:11 AM (#3318351)
"Wagner came up a little short with the Pirates."

I'm kind of surprised that Clemente was the Pirates' leader. I would've expected both Wagner and Paul Waner to be ahead of him, but I underestimated the number of hits both had with other clubs.
   59. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: September 10, 2009 at 12:37 AM (#3318405)
#53, Damn, that's impressive work and a fun list...thanks for the info.
Didn't the Spiders lose like 120+ games on year? How many hits did McKean get that year?


The Spiders sent Ed McKean to the St. Louis Perfectos right before the year they went 20-134. That was the only year in franchise history McKean didn't play for the team, and it's where baseball learned not to piss off Ed McKean. McKean ranked #77 on the St. Louis career hits list when he stopped playing. He's been passed by a few hundred Perfectos since then, and he's now tied for #440 with Ray Sadecki and Steve Lake.
   60. Srul Itza Posted: September 10, 2009 at 01:37 AM (#3318502)
Our long national nightmare is over -- Jeter got 3 hits today.

Well, almost over -- he's tied. One more hit to go.

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