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Friday, July 06, 2012

Carl Crawford cites racial slur after rehab outing

But one negative stood out for Crawford, who referenced a fan who heckled the outfielder to the point where it was mentioned after Thursday night’s game.

“[That guy] actually called me a racial slur to begin the game with,” Crawford said when asked about a fan who had been noticeably vocal in his criticism of the Sox outfielder. “He was the only one I had a problem with. People in Boston don’t even do that so I don’t even know what that was about.

“I can understand why people can be upset about me signing my contract and me having the kind of year I had. I understand. They love their team and they want you to produce when you signed the contract like that. I can’t get mad at them. All I can do is just get ready to play this year and try to produce.”

Thanks to Phil.

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   1. Koot Posted: July 06, 2012 at 07:33 AM (#4174292)
The comment board on there is amazing. Amongst the more reasonable fans is a guy bragging about how he was at the game and he heckled Crawford with witty gems like "Overpaid" and "Boo", and a couple people claiming that Carl is overreacting and/or making it up with regard to the racist comment.
   2. LargeBill Posted: July 06, 2012 at 08:53 AM (#4174308)
I wasn't there so I have no idea if he actually heard what he thinks he heard. Heck, there was that congressman who lied about people shouting the n word at him as he walked to the Capital Bldg for the Health Care bill vote. I've lived long enough to know to take everything with a large grain of salt. As far as the commenters on that site go, newspaper & radio station website comments are generally a cesspool full of "internet bravery." Not to defend their honor, but quite a few said that yelling racial crap is unacceptable no matter what the circumstances. Regardless of what was said, to be successful Crawford is going to have to find a way to block out the booing and other crap and focus on that thing the pitcher is throwing his direction. I'm not saying it's easy. Mike Schmidt early in his career let the fans get to him to the point he had to play with ear plugs. Right or wrong, Boston fans will rate him based not just on his performance but also his paycheck.
   3. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 06, 2012 at 08:53 AM (#4174309)
I have stopped being shocked at the stupidity that gets posted on comment section of news articles. The ability of my fellow man to be an idiot is limitless.
   4. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 06, 2012 at 08:58 AM (#4174312)
Not to defend their honor, but quite a few said that yelling racial crap is unacceptable no matter what the circumstances.
Quite a few!
   5. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: July 06, 2012 at 09:04 AM (#4174314)
So far as I can tell there isn't any out-of-the-blue sexism or homophobia in the comments, which makes it the Periclean Athens of internet comment boards.
   6. Darren Posted: July 06, 2012 at 09:14 AM (#4174319)
Heck, there was that congressman who lied about people shouting the n word at him as he walked to the Capital Bldg for the Health Care bill vote.


I mean, yeah, there's even a Breitbart video that proves he was lying so, case closed!
   7. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 06, 2012 at 09:31 AM (#4174329)
You know, Carl, you probably don't want to say "people in Boston don’t even do that" like Boston is as bad a city as you can imagine. Because, you know, you do still play there. At least in theory.
   8. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: July 06, 2012 at 09:39 AM (#4174332)
Read the comments section to any Sun-Times article having anything to do with violent crime. The racism therein is really something to behold.
   9. Answer Guy Posted: July 06, 2012 at 09:44 AM (#4174336)
It's a news comment board, people.

Also, it's WEEI. Home of the Dennis & Callahan Show or whatever they call it. Ugh.
   10. Tilden Katz Posted: July 06, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4174343)
Heck, there was that congressman who lied about people shouting the n word at him as he walked to the Capital Bldg for the Health Care bill vote.


How do you know he lied?
   11. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: July 06, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4174361)
Regardless of what was said, to be successful Crawford is going to have to find a way to block out the booing and other crap and focus on that thing the pitcher is throwing his direction.


He was the only one I had a problem with.


Racial/ethnic slurs shouldn't be lumped in with booing.
   12. YR Misses Reggie Bars Posted: July 06, 2012 at 10:30 AM (#4174375)
Racial/ethnic slurs shouldn't be lumped in with booing


Maybe they were saying "jigaboo"?
   13. YR Misses Reggie Bars Posted: July 06, 2012 at 10:31 AM (#4174376)
Heck, there was that congressman who lied about people shouting the n word at him as he walked to the Capital Bldg for the Health Care bill vote.

How do you know he lied?


He's Swedish.
   14. Answer Guy Posted: July 06, 2012 at 10:34 AM (#4174379)
I don't know which member of Congress this was supposed to be but Capitol Hill isn't the kind of place where you see a lot of people who throw racial slurs around in public. The whole metro area is pretty buttoned-down. I'm not going to say there's no racism here but there's a lot of discretion.

You don't often see people lined up to protest votes outside office buildings much either, but I suppose it could happen from time to time.

In Boston things are a bit more coarse.

   15. gef the talking mongoose Posted: July 06, 2012 at 10:42 AM (#4174386)
How do you know he lied?


His lips moved?
   16. LargeBill Posted: July 06, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4174395)
The Answer Guy has the answer. This "incident" happened in 2009 not 1969. Of course there are still some people with racist attitudes. However, I don't believe someone would shout the N word in a large ethnically mixed group. Not exactly a safe habit to get into.

Beyond that, the person making the false claim is a politician which makes me naturally skeptical of anything that comes out of his mouth.

Lastly, that march was filmed by multiple news outlets from various vantage points and no one reported the racist comment until the congressman lied about that word being shouted at him. Then once he made the false claim the media took it as Gospel truth without questioning it. Since someone brought up Breitbart, he offered $100,000 to anyone who could show any evidence that the word was shouted at the lying congressman - no one claimed the money.
   17. McCoy Wilfong for Money Posted: July 06, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4174401)
If I say I did it do I get the money?
   18. Tilden Katz Posted: July 06, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4174441)
The Answer Guy has the answer. This "incident" happened in 2009 not 1969. Of course there are still some people with racist attitudes. However, I don't believe someone would shout the N word in a large ethnically mixed group. Not exactly a safe habit to get into.

Beyond that, the person making the false claim is a politician which makes me naturally skeptical of anything that comes out of his mouth.

Lastly, that march was filmed by multiple news outlets from various vantage points and no one reported the racist comment until the congressman lied about that word being shouted at him. Then once he made the false claim the media took it as Gospel truth without questioning it. Since someone brought up Breitbart, he offered $100,000 to anyone who could show any evidence that the word was shouted at the lying congressman - no one claimed the money.


These are the same people who carry around pictures of the president with a bone in his nose. And think he wasn't born in this country because he's black. I'm not saying he did or didn't actually hear it, just that it's insane to claim that it definitively didn't happen.

   19. Dan Szymborski Posted: July 06, 2012 at 11:25 AM (#4174448)
And think he wasn't born in this country because he's black.

Breitbart was a loud shrill conservative, but he and after his death, his site, explicitly stated:


Note from Senior Management:
Andrew Breitbart was never a "Birther," and Breitbart News is a site that has never advocated the narrative of "Birtherism." In fact, Andrew believed, as we do, that President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961.
   20. Tilden Katz Posted: July 06, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4174481)
But his site definitely caters to the birthers and the bone-in-nosers (check the comments for any story about the president), the same people who were at that Capitol in 2010 and may or may not have called John Lewis a n-----.
   21. LargeBill Posted: July 06, 2012 at 11:45 AM (#4174492)
And think he wasn't born in this country because he's black.


People bought into the birth place conspiracy crap for a couple reasons which had nothing to do with race.
1. His grandmother in Kenya claimed she was there when he was born in Kenya. She likely was lying to increase her connection to a famous relative.
2. Barack Obama himself (prior to being a potential presidential candidate) had included the Kenyan born nonsense on literary brochures. I think he may have done that to come across as more worldly. At that point it was all about book sales.
   22. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 06, 2012 at 11:46 AM (#4174494)
2. Barack Obama himself (prior to being a potential presidential candidate) had included the Kenyan born nonsense on literary brochures.
This came out a couple months ago, and no one has claimed that Obama "himself" wrote it. You're getting facts wrong, and you're apparently arguing that birthers could see the future.
   23. YR Misses Reggie Bars Posted: July 06, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4174512)
1. His grandmother in Kenya claimed she was there when he was born in Kenya. She likely was lying to increase her connection to a famous relative.


You need to listen to the whole interview with her. On one occasion she says she was there when he was born. On two other instances in the same interview, she says he was born in Hawaii and she was not present. This was almost assuredly a translation error (and she and the interviewer conducted the interview through a translator), and the fact that people are unaware of the fact that his grandmother explicitly denied being at his birth in the same interview shows how dishonestly this issue was covered.

But as a Democratic president it's assumed that his election was illegitimate by a certain segment of the Dittohead Right. Bill Clinton's 1992 election was similarly illegitimate, as the communist-sympathizing Clinton renounced his American citizenship in a letter to the state department during a visit to Moscow in the 1960s. Much like Obama's refusal to release his original birth certificate, Clinton's refusal to open his state department file to inspection provided damning proof of the accusations. This being before the internet and Fox News, these claims didn't propagate as widely.
   24. Tilden Katz Posted: July 06, 2012 at 11:54 AM (#4174517)
People bought into the birth place conspiracy crap for a couple reasons which had nothing to do with race.
1. His grandmother in Kenya claimed she was there when he was born in Kenya. She likely was lying to increase her connection to a famous relative.
2. Barack Obama himself (prior to being a potential presidential candidate) had included the Kenyan born nonsense on literary brochures. I think he may have done that to come across as more worldly. At that point it was all about book sales.


Both of these contentions are false. First, it wasn't his grandmother, but his step-grandmother. And she never said he was born in Kenya, and in fact immediately corrected the interviewer when he asked which hospital in Kenya Obama was born in. And second, the "literary brochure" nonsense only came out in the last two months, about four years after the birther army assembled.

I am not saying all Republicans are racist, all Tea Partiers are racist, or all people who don't support the president are racist. That is clearly not the case. But birthers are racist and it would absolutely not shock me if one of them called John Lewis a racial slur.
   25. Tilden Katz Posted: July 06, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4174520)
People bought into the birth place conspiracy crap for a couple reasons which had nothing to do with race.
1. His grandmother in Kenya claimed she was there when he was born in Kenya. She likely was lying to increase her connection to a famous relative.
2. Barack Obama himself (prior to being a potential presidential candidate) had included the Kenyan born nonsense on literary brochures. I think he may have done that to come across as more worldly. At that point it was all about book sales.


Both of these contentions are false. First, it wasn't his grandmother, but his step-grandmother. And she never said he was born in Kenya, and in fact immediately corrected the interviewer when he asked which hospital in Kenya Obama was born in. And second, the "literary brochure" nonsense only came out in the last two months, about four years after the birther army assembled.

I am not saying all Republicans are racist, all Tea Partiers are racist, or all people who don't support the president are racist. That is clearly not the case. But birthers are racist and it would absolutely not shock me if one of them called John Lewis a racial slur.

EDIT: cokes to all
   26. Danny Posted: July 06, 2012 at 12:14 PM (#4174557)
Breitbart was a loud shrill conservative, but he and after his death, his site, explicitly stated:


Note from Senior Management:
Andrew Breitbart was never a "Birther," and Breitbart News is a site that has never advocated the narrative of "Birtherism." In fact, Andrew believed, as we do, that President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961.

Right, they're just asking questions because "Barack Obama--who, despite four years in office remains a mystery to many Americans, thanks to the mainstream media."
   27. UCCF Posted: July 06, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4174558)
Guys... OT:P thread for this.
   28. Answer Guy Posted: July 06, 2012 at 12:35 PM (#4174596)
My bad. Anyway, news comment sites everywhere are a cesspool of ugly anonymous racism and all-around "internet tough guy" syndrome.

I suppose re: Crawford the comparisons are Lackey and DiceK. I have not seen evidence CC has had more dung heaped upon him than either of those two guys.
   29. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 06, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4174635)
Except for the time that someone in the crowd shouted a racial slur at Crawford.
   30. GEB4000 Posted: July 06, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4174644)
TK

Obama's literary agent seemed to think he was born in Kenya. Her lit agency listed him as Kenyan-born on its website as late as 2007. I don't know where she got that idea.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/born-kenya-obamas-literary-agent-misidentified-birthplace-1991/story?id=16372566
   31. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 06, 2012 at 01:11 PM (#4174650)
I don't know where she got that idea.
This seems to be the preferred phraseology of the birther-curious who don't want to admit their curiosity. It's a little bit transparent, guys.
   32. Answer Guy Posted: July 06, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4174679)
Stepdad bought me a Crawford #13 T shirt. Can't get myself to wear it in public. Dunno if that makes me a bad person but it makes nice if overpriced sleepwear.

What I read about him suggests that he might have been trying too hard while hurt last year to prvoe he was worth that contract. I never thought signing him was wise, but I didn't expect this. Sad story so far; hope it ends better.
   33. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: July 06, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4174683)
Stepdad bought me a Crawford #13 T shirt. Can't get myself to wear it in public.
Racist! Also, Hamlet!
   34. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: July 06, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4174698)
I just call everyone a honky. White people don't care and I can use the confusion it causes with everyone else to make a quick getaway!
   35. Tilden Katz Posted: July 06, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4174710)
TK

Obama's literary agent seemed to think he was born in Kenya. Her lit agency listed him as Kenyan-born on its website as late as 2007. I don't know where she got that idea.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/born-kenya-obamas-literary-agent-misidentified-birthplace-1991/story?id=16372566


I really hate to do this since this really does belong in the politics thread, but I can't let that statement go unchallenged. It wasn't his literary agent, it was a representative of a publishing company that was trying to sign him to write what would become Dreams From My Father. I have no idea why she made that mistake, but of course it doesn't matter since Obama was born here.
   36. Monty Posted: July 06, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4174727)
I really hate to do this since this really does belong in the politics thread, but I can't let that statement go unchallenged.


Yes you can. You can very easily not post political things outside the thread designated for political arguing.
   37. Swedish Chef Posted: July 06, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4174740)
Stepdad bought me a Crawford #13 T shirt.

That makes me wonder if anybody is non-ironically pushing the theory that the number 13 is the cause of his misfortunes.
   38. rconn23 Posted: July 06, 2012 at 02:28 PM (#4174768)
"Also, it's WEEI. Home of the Dennis & Callahan Show or whatever they call it. Ugh."

This. Why should anyone be shocked by anything posted on a WEEI message board when they employ two craven scumeaters like those two?
   39. Answer Guy Posted: July 06, 2012 at 02:28 PM (#4174769)
Probably the same people who think dropping the Devil from Devil Rays is responsible for their more recent good fortune.
   40. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 06, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4174773)
We're 100% certain that McCain was born in Panama, yet the birthers don't give a #### about that.
   41. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: July 06, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4174776)
I've never been so happy to see an OT thread. It's nice to see this conversation move from this shameful display of racism by the dumb hicks in my home state to political chatter circa 2009.
   42. Answer Guy Posted: July 06, 2012 at 02:37 PM (#4174779)
Wonder if the Red Sox will reach a point where they have more payroll on the DL than on the active roster. Gotta be close at this point, and it seems Pedroia is headed to the DL now...
   43. morineko Posted: July 06, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4174801)
That makes me wonder if anybody is non-ironically pushing the theory that the number 13 is the cause of his misfortunes.


#13 seems to be working out great for Zack Greinke and Jerry Blevins...except for the 4 years Blevins spent riding the Sacramento-Oakland shuttle and Greinke's basketball injury that he got right after changing numbers.
   44. villageidiom Posted: July 06, 2012 at 07:18 PM (#4175003)
Wonder if the Red Sox will reach a point where they have more payroll on the DL than on the active roster. Gotta be close at this point, and it seems Pedroia is headed to the DL now...
Just count "salary playing for them" vs. "salary not playing for them", because that way you can count the continued salary payments for Youkilis (and Jenks, and McDonald) along with the DL money.

In 2nd-half dollars:

$ 9.8m Crawford
$ 7.6m Lackey
$ 5.5m Youkilis
$ 5.0m Matsuzaka
$ 4.0m Ellsbury
$ 3.0m Jenks
$ 2.0m Bailey
$ 1.8m Buchholz
$ 0.9m Sweeney
$ 0.4m Hill
$ 0.2m McDonald
$ 0.2m Carpenter
-----------------
$40.4m total

Soxprospects has the 40-man roster salary (including players on 60-day DL) in the neighborhood of $160m, so around $80m in the second half. Subtract the on-roster salaries above, and the serviceable players amount to around $48.5m total. Hey, it's not as bad as you feared!

If you want to throw Bard and the other minor-leaguers in with the injured and castaways, that makes it worse, but that seems unfair. However, the moment Gonzalez's undiagnosed injury is revealed and he goes on the DL, it's over.

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