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Saturday, December 21, 2013

Carlos Beltran stuns at Yankees press conference with shots at Mets

Duke Carmel never did anything like this, then again…Duke Carmel never did much of anything.

Still, it was a bit stunning to find out on Friday, years later, just how strongly he felt about the way things ended between him and his old ballclub. Indeed, on the same day he was thrilled to be introduced as a Yankee, Beltran spoke of what he seemed to perceive as a smear campaign by Mets management — the result of a couple of “controversies,” as he called them.

“The organization tried to paint me as a bad apple,” Beltran said.

He referred specifically to the team’s visit — that Beltran missed — to pay tribute to wounded veterans at Walter Reed Army Medical Center during a 2010 series in Washington, and his 2011 knee surgery that the Mets objected to at least initially.

“I can deal with the 0-for-4s, with three strikeouts, and talking to you guys,” Beltran said, speaking to the print media after his introductory press conference. “But when somebody’s trying to hurt you in a personal way, trying to put things out there that are not me, then we have trouble. Now it’s personal.

“When they say all of that, of course I was hurt because you can’t believe the organization that signed you for seven years is trying to put you down.”

Beltran didn’t refer to anyone by name, but when he was asked specifically about Wilpon’s comments in that New Yorker article, in which the Mets’ owner also implied it was a mistake to sign Beltran for $119 million off one great postseason, the player shrugged.

“It wasn’t right,” he said. “Put it that way.”

Repoz Posted: December 21, 2013 at 12:37 AM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: December 21, 2013 at 01:42 AM (#4622043)
He referred specifically to the team’s visit — that Beltran missed — to pay tribute to wounded veterans at Walter Reed Army Medical Center during a 2010 series in Washington,

Only the NFL and Jeff Wilpon have difficulty understanding the meaning of "voluntary."
   2. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: December 21, 2013 at 02:53 AM (#4622052)
Out of all the 9-figure deals signed by free agents, I think Beltran has to rank in the top-3 or 4 when you consider what the Mets got from him and what they were able to trade him for (Zack Wheeler.) You couldn't really reasonably hope for much more than that.
   3. bjhanke Posted: December 21, 2013 at 03:57 AM (#4622055)
The Cardinals aren't exactly complaining about Carlos, either. If they didn't have 2 first basemen in hand (Craig and Adams) one of whom (Craig) can sort of play right field, and two hot OF prospects in AAA, they would have almost certainly re-signed him to be the starting RF. He was their main power source last year, and played well in the postseason. (It's really disorienting to read David Ortiz' numbers for the WS and then remember that Beltran robbed Ortiz of a grand slam with an over-the-fence catch. David only got a SF out of it.) - Brock Hanke
   4. PreservedFish Posted: December 21, 2013 at 04:02 AM (#4622057)
"the organization that signed you for seven years..."

for $119 million


###### bargain.
   5. rpackrat Posted: December 21, 2013 at 09:56 AM (#4622080)
Carlos has every right to be bitter. He was great as a Met, but Mets fans treated him like ####, and he was scapegoated by an ownership group who's incompetence is outpaced only by their arrogance. I say this as a Mets fan of 40+ years.
   6. Bob Tufts Posted: December 21, 2013 at 10:11 AM (#4622087)
Carlos has every right to be bitter, but move on - just like you did from KC to Oakland to the Mets to the Cards....

You've had a great career, made lots of money and now feel compelled to tell management (and fans) that you were misunderstood and unappreciated?

To come out swinging now? Insert 2007 strikeout with bat on shoulder joke....

   7. Bob Tufts Posted: December 21, 2013 at 10:22 AM (#4622090)
difficulty understanding the meaning of "voluntary."


It applies to high schools and colleges as it relates to graduation requirements, as kids are forced to do the same community service that is used as a punishment by a judge in some cases
   8. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: December 21, 2013 at 11:38 AM (#4622105)
Oakland?
   9. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: December 21, 2013 at 12:01 PM (#4622111)
The A's had Damon and Jermaine Dye, why not throw an imaginary Beltran in too?

I still feel bad for Royals fans...
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: December 21, 2013 at 12:14 PM (#4622119)
Oakland?


What Bob gives to the Bay Area, he also takes away.

   11. denDekker, Mattsui (jemile weeks) Posted: December 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM (#4622121)
I'll always side against the Wilpons, especially when it's coming from one of my favorite players.

Last month I got a call from a Mets ticket rep. Eventually, he was so exasperated by my complaints that he asked "What can the team do, besides a change in ownership, which obviously isn't going to happen, to instill any confidence in you?"

It was the first time in a long time I'd been speechless in discussing the Mets.
   12. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: December 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM (#4622123)
Carlos has every right to be bitter. He was great as a Met, but Mets fans treated him like ####, and he was scapegoated by an ownership group who's incompetence is outpaced only by their arrogance. I say this as a Mets fan of 40+ years.



Being a Eastern NJ resident you're pretty much either a Yankee or Met fan. Quite a few of my Met fan friends seem to have this visceral disliking of Beltran, something I never understood. I think some has to do with how badly he was in his 1st year there, but of course the main culprit was him watching Wainwrights curveball go by without taking his bat off his shoulder.
The fact that he had a 1.054 OPS including 3 HR and 8 R in that series doesn't seem to matter. Nor does the fact that nobody could have done anything with that pitch. It would have froze Babe Ruth.
I used always tell my Met fan buddies, I'd be more then happy to take him off your hands.
They can't seem to distinguish Beltran from George Foster and Bobby Bonilla when thinking of FA failures. Truly bizarre.
   13. bobm Posted: December 21, 2013 at 12:25 PM (#4622125)
 Insert 2007 (sic) strikeout with bat on shoulder joke....


How about a repost of "Carlos At The Bat" (a slightly altered version of Thayer's poem)

The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Flushing Nine that night;
The score stood one to three, with but one inning more to fight,
The Redbirds' Adam Wainwright took his place upon the mound,
Three outs were left before the Cards as League champs would be crowned.

Valentin drove a single, to the wonderment of all,
And Chavez, his catch admired, tore the cover off the ball;
And when the dust had lifted, and the fans were about to burst,
There was Jose safe at second and Endy a-hugging first.

And then when Floyd K'ed looking, and Reyes lined out to 8,
Depression and despair became the patrons' mental state.

A straggling few got up to go in deep despair. The rest
Clung to that hope which springs eternal in the human breast;
They thought, if only Beltran could get but a whack at that -
They'd put up even money, now, with Carlos at the bat.

But Lo Duca preceded Carlos, with the season now at stake,
The All Star catcher who Mitchell's Report would unmask as fake;
So upon that stricken multitude grim melancholy sat,
For there seemed but little chance of Carlos's getting to the bat.

On three and one Lo Duca walked to load the bases full,
Then Lo Duca, for pinch runner Hernandez, would be pulled; 

From 50,000 throats and more the cheering rose anew;
It rumbled through the orange, it rattled in the blue;
It knocked upon the green seats and recoiled upon the red,
For Carlos, mighty Carlos, up to bat would slowly tread.

There was ease in Carlos's manner as he stepped into his place;
There was pride in Carlos's bearing and a smile on Carlos's face.
And when, responding to the cheers, he lightly doffed his hat,
No stranger in the crowd could doubt 'twas Carlos at the bat.

One hundred thousand eyes were on him as he rubbed his hands with dirt;
Fifty thousand tongues applauded when he wiped them on his shirt.
Then while the writhing pitcher ground the ball into his hip,
Defiance gleamed in Carlos's eye, a sneer curled Carlos's lip.

And now the leather-covered sphere came hurtling through the air,
And Carlos stood a-watching it in haughty grandeur there.
Close by the sturdy batsman the ball unheeded sped-
"That ain't my style," said Carlos. "Strike one," the umpire said.

From the benches, black with people, there went up a muffled roar,
Like the beating of the storm-waves on a stern and distant shore.
"Kill him! Kill the umpire!" shouted someone on the stand;
And it's likely they'd a-killed him had not Carlos raised his hand.

With a smile of Christian charity great Carlos's visage shone;
He stilled the rising tumult; he bade the game go on;
He signaled down to Wainwright, and once more the spheroid flew;
Carlos fouled the pitch off, and the umpire said, "Strike two."

The fans saw Carlos's face grow stern and cold, they saw his muscles strain,
And they knew that Carlos wouldn't let that ball go by again.
The sneer is gone from Carlos's lip, his teeth are clenched in hate;
He pounds with cruel violence his bat upon the plate.

And now the pitcher holds the ball, and now he lets it go,
And now Carlos takes the pitch, frozen as an ice floe.

Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy in Flushing — mighty Carlos has struck out.
   14. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: December 21, 2013 at 12:57 PM (#4622139)
How dare Carlos Beltran take a pitch for strike three. I mean, sure, it looked high and out of the zone before it broke into the strike zone, but that's only because it was thrown by Adam Wainwright, who has one of the best curveballs in baseball.
   15. Bob Tufts Posted: December 21, 2013 at 01:28 PM (#4622155)

Oakland? What Bob gives to the Bay Area, he also takes away.


Yes, there was no Beltran there (Damon flashback) and is no there there.
   16. Lassus Posted: December 21, 2013 at 01:31 PM (#4622157)
I hope Cliff Floyd thanks Beltran every week for the lack of grief Floyd has had to endure.

I defend Beltran more than anyone to this day. That being said, I admit I think at least a protective swing should have been taken there. A curveball is not some magic unhittable pitch, and Wainwright was not one of the best pitchers in the league yet. I think a good pitcher beat a great hitter there, not the other way around.
   17. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: December 21, 2013 at 02:50 PM (#4622203)
Why take a lame swing at a pitch that looks like a ball before it breaks over the strike zone. Hitting a little nubber wouldn't have helped much. In his mind he thought it was a ball and he'd have another shot a pitch he could drive. Just because Wainwright wasn't yet an established ace, doesn't mean he didn't have a nasty arsenal and wasn't capable of throwing great pitches.
The sun can even shine on a dogs ass once in a while...just ask Don Larson.
   18. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: December 21, 2013 at 03:06 PM (#4622209)
#16, Wainwright may not have been fully formed back then, but that was one hell of a curveball. A greater hitter was beaten by a perfect ####### pitch.
   19. tfbg9 Posted: December 21, 2013 at 03:21 PM (#4622215)
They call it "emergency mode". You can't look at strike 3 there. You just can't.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 21, 2013 at 03:47 PM (#4622225)
He referred specifically to the team’s visit — that Beltran missed — to pay tribute to wounded veterans at Walter Reed Army Medical Center during a 2010 series in Washington,


Bobby Valentine would also like to point out that Beltran wasn't down at Ground Zero after 9/11 either!
   21. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: December 21, 2013 at 03:56 PM (#4622229)


Bobby Valentine would also like to point out that Beltran wasn't down at Ground Zero after 9/11 either!


I consider being on Bobby's shitlist a plus.
   22. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: December 21, 2013 at 06:56 PM (#4622276)
It was a fantastic ####### pitch. Taking it was the right call. Didn't work.
   23. Gonfalon B. Posted: December 21, 2013 at 08:45 PM (#4622300)
It's interesting that striking out Lazzeri was all about Grover Alexander, and striking out Reggie was all about Bob Welch, but striking out Beltran was all about Beltran. Then again, we don't even know the name of "the writhing pitcher" who got Mighty Casey.
   24. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: December 21, 2013 at 09:33 PM (#4622315)
The pitch was filthy. Re-watch it. It's at eye level and then dives through the bottom of the strike zone.
   25. Doris from Rego Park Posted: December 21, 2013 at 09:38 PM (#4622317)
agreed, re: third strike, of course. from what i remember, he really should have swung at the first pitch.

still blame most things on rostering shawn green (see: scott spiezio triple in game two)
   26. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 21, 2013 at 10:12 PM (#4622324)
Can you imagine if someone got thrown out stealing to end Game 7 of the World Series today?
   27. Lassus Posted: December 21, 2013 at 10:20 PM (#4622326)
It's interesting that striking out Lazzeri was all about Grover Alexander, and striking out Reggie was all about Bob Welch, but striking out Beltran was all about Beltran.

I don't want to seem unreasonable, because I think it was an absolutely great pitch which beat Beltran - and the pitch did beat him. I don't think it was all about Beltran at all. My own opinion is that it was at least slightly, partly about Beltran, who was a major league hitter capable of hitting a curveball. Even if it was certainly mostly - perhaps almost entirely - about Wainwright.
   28. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 21, 2013 at 10:24 PM (#4622327)
My own opinion is that it was at least partly about Beltran, who was a major league pitcher capable of hitting a curveball, even if it was certainly mostly - perhaps almost entirely - about Wainwright.

I didn't know that about Beltran. It makes him a lot more valuable if he can soak up some innings here and there and take some pressure off the bullpen.
   29. Gonfalon B. Posted: December 21, 2013 at 10:37 PM (#4622331)
Re: #27-- I was referring to the crib-kicking reaction, not the reality. When Bob Welch struck out Jackson, the was "Wow, how about this little-known rookie, rising to the occasion and neutralizing a great player with a sterling postseason record." But when Wainwright struck out Beltran, it was "Ugh, how could that overpaid sack of shit just stand there?"

It's also interesting to see the psychopathology of what sticks to who. When's the last time anybody mentioned Ryan Howard's almost equivalent strikeout against Brian Wilson, let alone decided it defined Howard?
   30. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: December 21, 2013 at 10:41 PM (#4622333)
Yankee fans are more knowledgeable and appreciative then Met fans?
   31. Lassus Posted: December 21, 2013 at 10:50 PM (#4622337)
When's the last time anybody mentioned Ryan Howard's almost equivalent strikeout against Brian Wilson, let alone decided it defined Howard?

True, but no one gives a shit about the Phillies.
   32. Doris from Rego Park Posted: December 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM (#4622340)
and the following year's groundout on the last play of the season---->tendon blowout----->terrible contract immediately goes into effect probably is the easier laugh
   33. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 21, 2013 at 10:59 PM (#4622342)
#32: That kind of annoys me because now Ruben Amaro can spin it to current and future employers as, "Well, obviously Howard was a great player but we just had a horrible stroke of luck, for that career-altering Achilles injury to happen just when his new contract kicked in."
   34. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 21, 2013 at 11:29 PM (#4622347)
When's the last time anybody mentioned Ryan Howard's almost equivalent strikeout against Brian Wilson, let alone decided it defined Howard?

You mean the one that happened AFTER Howard and the Phillies had won two NL pennants and one World Series?
   35. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 21, 2013 at 11:44 PM (#4622355)
When's the last time anybody mentioned Ryan Howard's almost equivalent strikeout against Brian Wilson, let alone decided it defined Howard?

Like 32 says. For one year, it was a steady topic of conversation in Philly. Then it became a lesser story.
   36. Gonfalon B. Posted: December 21, 2013 at 11:54 PM (#4622361)
Hold it, hold it. You mean narrative is a factor in creating narrative?

Poor, chokey Carlos Beltran... .370/.480/.827/1.307 going into that revelatory at-bat, but he forgot to count the ringzzz.
   37. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 21, 2013 at 11:59 PM (#4622363)
Yankee fans are more knowledgeable and appreciative then Met fans?


Better looking too.
   38. AJMcCringleberry Posted: December 22, 2013 at 12:14 AM (#4622369)
Mets fans are idiots. Why else would we keep rooting for this team?
   39. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 22, 2013 at 11:06 AM (#4622438)

The pitch was filthy. Re-watch it. It's at eye level and then dives through the bottom of the strike zone


IIRC, no one was hitting Wainwright's curveball that post-season. He struck out 15 in 12 2/3 innings with no runs and just seven hits. That was one of the greatest post-season pitching runs in recent history.
   40. greenback likes millwall Posted: December 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM (#4622457)
IIRC, no one was hitting Wainwright's curveball that post-season.

Fox may have been adding a couple of clicks onto their radar gun readings, but I thought Wainwright's fastball had more life on it in October. In particular, my memory was that Wainwright looked like he was overdosing on adrenaline during the Lo Duca walk. He wasn't given the closer role until late September, and it seemed to amp him up a bit in a way that couldn't last long.

Apparently the last guy involved in the strikeout, Yadier Molina, lobbied the Cardinals pretty hard to bring Beltran back. I haven't heard a peep from the Cardinals organization to suggest that Beltran was a problem of any sort, except obviously he's a lot more expensive than Oscar Taveras. I guess that's why the Cardinals are the Cardinals and the Mets are the Mets.

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