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Tuesday, January 18, 2011

Cashman: I told Andy Pettitte ‘not to Brett Favre us’

I only text messaged twice!

The biggest blow to the Yankees’ pitching would be Andy Pettitte, retiring after a great 2010 season.

“Andy has talking about being home for years,” said Cashman. “Being from Texas and having to be in New York for six months out of the year can be hard because he has kids and he’s missing important time with them. He’s opting not to play right now but that might change it might not. I told him don’t ‘Brett Favre’ us. You got to be all in and fully dedicated to play. Do I need him? I need him, but I don’t want him to play if his heart’s not in it.”

...Cashman knows how to win baseball games. The 2011 season has not started and the Yankees always find a way to put money together and bring in exceptional talent to guide them to October baseball.

“My job is all about winning,” said Cashman. “You have to make tough decisions, like when I let Bernie Williams go, Matsui, and Johnny Damon. But when you’re trying to win you can’t think about anything else. You just need to put the best team you can out there.”

Repoz Posted: January 18, 2011 at 10:34 PM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 18, 2011 at 10:40 PM (#3732196)
Brett Favre is the only quarterback to record his own sack
   2. Lassus Posted: January 18, 2011 at 10:44 PM (#3732203)
Cashman better change his cell number, then.
   3. Swedish Chef Posted: January 18, 2011 at 10:45 PM (#3732206)
I told him don’t ‘Brett Favre’ us.

And Andy mercifully backed out of the messaging app on his phone.
   4. BDC Posted: January 18, 2011 at 10:52 PM (#3732213)
“Andy has talking about being home for years,” said Cashman. “Being from Texas and having to be in New York for six months out of the year can be hard because he has kids and he’s missing important time with them."

Oh pshaw. He just wants more than the lousy $10M or whatever you were fixing to pay him. Which is fine, but seriously, the guy could have retired many years ago or just kept working in Texas if all that stuff were important to him.
   5. villageidiom Posted: January 18, 2011 at 11:41 PM (#3732243)
That's the thing about Andy Pettitte. He's not afraid to steal his father's HgH and use it illegally for a competitive advantage. You have to admire him for that.
   6. A triple short of the cycle Posted: January 18, 2011 at 11:53 PM (#3732249)
Kids, I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news is, I'll be working on the road again this year, and so I won't be around much to play catch and to watch your Little League games. The good news is, I'll be getting paid 15 MILLION DOLLARS to play catch with Jorge Posada.
   7. thok Posted: January 19, 2011 at 12:12 AM (#3732258)
The good news is, I'll be getting paid 15 MILLION DOLLARS to play catch with Jorge Posada


Kids: That's enough to buy us two gold-plated ponies each, right?

Pettitte: No, I'll be investing it for my retirement. Damn greedy kids.

(I don't actually know what Pettitte would do with 15 million. The above is an attempt at bad humor.)
   8. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: January 19, 2011 at 12:13 AM (#3732260)
“Andy has talking about being home for years,” said Cashman. “Being from Texas and having to be in New York for six months out of the year can be hard because he has kids and he’s missing important time with them."


This is so old. Andy, you're not doing us a big favor by playing, and it's no one's decision but your own as to how much time you spend with your kids. Stop acting like somebody is holding a gun to your head by offering you $15 million. We all wish we had that option.
   9. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: January 19, 2011 at 12:24 AM (#3732266)
I agree - I think Petttttittttte (I always thought he had an unusual number of "t"s in his name) is full of crap. If he cared that much about being near his family, he could sign with Houston or Texas for $5m or something, make more money in one year than most of us will make in 20 years, and then go home after 2011. It's not like his family is in Montana or Hawaii, and no team is close by - boo friggin' hoo.

And Brett Favre - who has virtually every passing record in NFL history - is better known for his inability to retire the right way than for his play on the field. How will ESPN fill those three minutes every night without a dumb story about Brett Favre's emotional turmoil?
   10. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: January 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM (#3732269)
You know what pisses me off off about this whole situation? Everyone insisting on calling picture messages text messages, that's what! You can't text message a picture... unless it's ASCII art :-P
   11. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: January 19, 2011 at 12:33 AM (#3732273)
On The Daily Show, they asked the Michael Steele muppet (don't ask) if he knows anything about new RNC chair Reince Preibus.

"I don't want to say he's a dick from Wisconsin, but Brett Favre just texted me a picture of him!"
   12. Darren Posted: January 19, 2011 at 01:35 AM (#3732294)
Is Pettitte holding press conferences where he slowly goes through every detail of his thinking on whether to retire or not? Is he even saying anything about it publicly at all?

It's a really neat trick the way the media and fans talk about such subjects incessantly and then decide at some point that they are mad at the player for 'making such a big deal out of it' or being an attention whore. Pettitte has a difficult decision to make. If you don't like talking about it, don't.
   13. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 19, 2011 at 01:56 AM (#3732303)
Is Pettitte holding press conferences where he slowly goes through every detail of his thinking on whether to retire or not? Is he even saying anything about it publicly at all?

It's a really neat trick the way the media and fans talk about such subjects incessantly and then decide at some point that they are mad at the player for 'making such a big deal out of it' or being an attention whore. Pettitte has a difficult decision to make. If you don't like talking about it, don't.


Thank you Darren. I thought I was the only one who didn't see anything wrong with Pettitte in this situation. He tells them at the end of the season that he's not certain whether he's coming back, then he tells them when he's made up his mind. As far as I can tell, in between he doesn't say a damn thing.
   14. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 19, 2011 at 02:10 AM (#3732308)
Andy Pettitte just wants to sit by a quiet lake somewhere, and watch the sunset with an intense, cartoonishly focused stare.
   15. 'Spos Posted: January 19, 2011 at 02:10 AM (#3732309)
FPH:
You mean B=D Farve?
   16. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 19, 2011 at 03:07 AM (#3732329)
Or, you know, his family could do what ten million other American families have done and move to where Dad's job is.
   17. Repoz Posted: January 19, 2011 at 03:10 AM (#3732330)
I'll be getting paid 15 MILLION DOLLARS to play catch with Jorge Posada

And it's 15 million to one Jorge Posada catches any of them.
   18. Brian Posted: January 19, 2011 at 03:29 AM (#3732336)
Great point Darren. Pettitte hasn't been looking for attention or sympathy from others for the decision he has to make. Get over it folks. Pettitte, and many of these other players we watch play baseball, make more in a year than most posters here will make in their lifetime.
   19. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: January 19, 2011 at 06:04 AM (#3732450)
Is Pettitte holding press conferences where he slowly goes through every detail of his thinking on whether to retire or not? Is he even saying anything about it publicly at all?

It's a really neat trick the way the media and fans talk about such subjects incessantly and then decide at some point that they are mad at the player for 'making such a big deal out of it' or being an attention whore. Pettitte has a difficult decision to make. If you don't like talking about it, don't.
Ding!

I don't think I've heard a single thing *from* Pettitte this offseason. Cashman said that Pettitte told him after the ALCS that he was probably going to retire. Everything since then has been "nothing has changed", and finally, "don't count on me for 2011."

If the Yankees assumed anything this offseason other than Pettitte not coming back, that's their own problem, not Pettitte's.

If the media doesn't like the uncertainty, that's *their* own problem, not Pettitte's.
   20. McCoy Posted: January 19, 2011 at 06:29 AM (#3732461)
I don't think it is a problem for the media. I think they love it.
   21. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: January 19, 2011 at 06:39 AM (#3732466)
Being from Texas and having to be in New York for six months out of the year can be hard because


because he's stuck in ####### Godforesaken New York City instead of Texas.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: January 19, 2011 at 07:03 AM (#3732475)
How long before the OED accepts favre as a verb? I give it two weeks.
   23. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 19, 2011 at 07:21 AM (#3732478)
Yeah, I don't have a problem with what Pettitte has done so far. If he pulls a Clemens and decides he only wants to pitch the second half of each season, that would be a problem.

It's a little different with a QB which is a position that teams need to plan around long-term. #3 or #4 starter isn't quite the same thing.
   24.  Hey Gurl Posted: January 19, 2011 at 07:40 AM (#3732482)

You know what pisses me off off about this whole situation? Everyone insisting on calling picture messages text messages, that's what! You can't text message a picture... unless it's ASCII art :-P


8====D

Favre has actually filed retirement papers with the NFL on three separate occasions. I don't think it's fair to compare Pettitte at all. I agree with Larry.
   25. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 19, 2011 at 07:53 AM (#3732486)
8====D

Steroid abuse can really shrink your eight.
   26. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 19, 2011 at 08:51 AM (#3732490)
I prefer 8====0, because it's more to scale. On the other hand, it's not really quite the right shape.
   27. BFFB Posted: January 19, 2011 at 09:52 AM (#3732495)
C======8
   28. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: January 19, 2011 at 01:34 PM (#3732510)
Stay Classy, Brett Favre! His family must be so proud!
   29. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: January 19, 2011 at 02:06 PM (#3732518)
because he's stuck in ####### Godforesaken New York City instead of Texas.

Seems like a good idea to stay out of Texas during the summer months (really, any time, but especially summer). Pettitte's got a good racket going, especially since he gets paid well to do it.
   30. SOLockwood Posted: January 19, 2011 at 03:05 PM (#3732541)
I think in this case, "to Brett Favre," would mean for Pettite to decide on February 1, that, "Yeah, I want to come back," and disrupt the Yankees' plans for the rotation and roster. Although in such a case, it would simply mean that whoever would have become the #5 starter would have to go back to AAA. As opposed to having to revamp the entire offense when the QB does it.
   31. bunyon Posted: January 19, 2011 at 03:20 PM (#3732546)
Get over it folks. Pettitte, and many of these other players we watch play baseball, make more in a year than most posters here will make in their lifetime.

A guy who plays two years at league minimum makes as much (approximately) as a guy who makes $10/hour will make in a lifetime:

work age 20-65 (45 years x 50 weeks/year x 40 hours/week x $10/hour) = $900,000.


Forget the rich guys in pro sports, the guy who manages to hang onto a job for a few years makes out pretty well. No use ######## about it.


If he pulls a Clemens and decides he only wants to pitch the second half of each season, that would be a problem.

I disagree with this. I don't like all the drama around it, but it seems a pretty decent way to use an old or fragile pitcher. Limits innings, maximizes leverage in that, if you're not in the race, you don't sign him. I wouldn't pay what Clemens was paid, but it seems a good way to get everyone something they want.

Heard a talking head talk about the possibility that Favre might come back if NFL 2011 is something like 8 games. First time I found myself rooting against an NFL work stoppage.
   32. BDC Posted: January 19, 2011 at 03:21 PM (#3732548)
Actually whatever Pettitte wants to do, I agree, is supremely his own business. I was snarking above more at Cashman, who seems to have gone out of his way to repeat the usual disingenuousnesses ...
   33. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: January 19, 2011 at 03:48 PM (#3732566)
I'm sure this has been beaten to death around here, but does Pettitte have any chance for the HOF?
Lets make believe he didn't have the steroid stench, did he do enough?

Would two more 14-10 115ERA+ do it?
   34. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 19, 2011 at 03:57 PM (#3732574)
I'm sure this has been beaten to death around here, but does Pettitte have any chance for the HOF?
Lets make believe he didn't have the steroid stench, did he do enough?

Would two more 14-10 115ERA+ do it?


Personally, I think he's a little short right now. Probably has a good chance if there's a functioning Veteran's Committe in 20 years.

Getting above 270 wins would help him immensely with the BBWAA. Two more years like you say and he's ~270-160 with a 116 ERA+ and a gaudy postseason record. Probably gets in pretty easily after 5-7 years on the ballot.

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