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1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 24, 2012 at 11:38 AM (#4216701)AL: Miguel Cabrera, Joe Mauer (twice I think), um...
NL: Matt Kemp? Or was it Braun? All I know is Braun won the MVP but I though Kemp had the better overall stats. Votto, Pujols, oh wait, did Reyes win it last year? I think Hanley won it once. I'm just guessing. I used to be better at stuff like that.
Really? That's you go to source for baseball stats?
The McGee one I liked, as Pedro Guerrero had the best overall average in baseball and didn't win anything.
Reyes won last year in the NL, didn't he? I remember there being controversy about whether he should play the last day, and I seem to remember that he played and got a hit or two.
It also seems that there used to be some physical award for a batting title. I remember having a Kirby Puckett baseball card as a kid where he was holding some sort of inscribed bat, and I don't think it was a Silver Slugger. That might be wrong, though.
Altogether, the point is a pretty fair one, similar to the argument for putting steroid use on a HOF plaque. Steroids are part of the Melky story, as is his batting average. Neither gets the point across without the other.
That was Eddie Murray, who hit .330. Brett led the AL at .329 and McGee's combined NL and AL average was .324. Dave Magadan and Lenny Dykstra in the NL and Rickey Henderson in the AL also finished ahead of .324.
I kind of lost interest in baseball for a few years starting in 1991, with girls and then college and all that. It was the last year I followed baseball like a kid, so I remember all kinds of stuff about 1990 that I'lll never know about 2011 or 2012.
He definitely had TEH FEAR at one time.
Bill James in the abstracts used to call him 'one of the best hitters God ever made' or something like that. Park effects/injuries/bad defense, plus the fact that his raw numbers were quickly overwhelmed during sillyball, and he's been sort of forgotten.
My favorite James line about Guerrero was when he wrote, "They asked Guerrero to play third base, and he said, 'Is it that one over there?' but just kept on hitting up a storm."
And, of course, we can't fail to relate the great LaSorda quip. LaSorda is grilling Guerrero (who was not only a hilariously bad fielder, but a space cadet of epic proportion): "Pedro, there are runners on first and third, and one out. What are you thinking?"
Pedro: "Don't hit it to me?"
Tommy: "OK, but then what?"
Pedro: "Don't hit it to Sax?"
Batting title champs off the top of my head but for most of them not exact years: Ted Williams, Tony Gwynn, Ty Cobb, Yaz, and Wade Boggs. If you made me sit down and think about it I could add more but it would take awhile.
Looking at the list, I never would have guessed Derrek Lee has a batting title and Derek Jeter does not.
D'oh. You are of course right, horrible with names, and was thinking Guerrero , took a quick glance at Pedro and saw that he finished second in the NL that year, and said "that seems like the guy". Should have doubled checked the al stats.
And Castrovince is completely right. I'm rooting for McCutchen to win it, but if he doesn't I won't lose any sleep. This isn't exactly the Hall of Fame we're talking about.
Me too. Of course, that also applies to every single other fragment of knowledge at my disposal.
I was basically going to say this. When I was in college in about 1992, I could have told you the AL MVP, NL MVP, AL Cy, NL Cy, and a host of other leaders from 1980 on. After that, it gets hazy. I don't think it's a matter of not emphasizing, I think it just happens to everyone. I mean, I know that Bonds won 7 MVP's, but I couldn't tell you the years.
Considering his well-chronicled outbreak of hemmorrhoids, I am impressed that Brett was actually able to sit a lot.
Bill Mueller always stands out to me too. The fluke guys kinda stand out. Freddy Sanchez. Terry Pendleton. John Olerud.
Olerud was a borderline HOFer, beautiful swing, career .295 hitter who also had a .354 season in which he finished second in the league to Coors Field Larry Walker. I don't lump him in with those other guys.
Obviously what we need to rule the world is a carefully assembled team of Primates ranging from Dan Evensen to Harvey, with all ten year gaps of age groups represented in between. We can call it Appling to Morgan to Pujols.
He sat out a few games at the end of the 1990 season. He only had 5 plate appearances (4 AB) in KC's last six games.
Same here. Once I saw the names, I at least remembered Reyes, but I don't remember any fanfare for Miggy winning one last year.
Derek Jeter does not.
It's been a heartbreaking ride. He's been in it the last week or so a few times (1999, 2003, 2006). I think Bernie and Paul O'neil are the only Yanks I've seen win a batting title.
Just glancing at the list, it looks like Trout is going to be the first non-Seattle rookie to win a batting title in a long time.
I didn't say he wasn't any good, but his batting title year was pretty fluky. He had two .350+ seasons, but aside from that never hit higher than .302 in a season, and only had four .300 seasons in his career.
It seems to me like more sluggers are winning batting titles, like Cabrera and Bonds and Pujols and Chipper and Josh Hamilton, and I wonder if that's one reason people are paying less attention to the batting crown. When people like Rod Carew and Wade Boggs and Tony Gwynn were winning lots of them, it was a big deal for them, because BA was their central skill. Nowadays, if Josh Hamilton wins the batting title, it's just not a big deal, because it's not the most important part of his game.
Winning that BA title sure seems to be more significant to the Jose Reyeses and Ichiros of the world.
I assume that you are confusing Pedro with some one else in your mind...
Doesn't Mauer have 3 batting titles?
edit: looked it up. Yes, he does. 2006, 08, 09.
His stroke was a thing of profound beauty. And I say that as a Giants' fan who was terrified at the thought of him.
Player BA PA OPS+ OBP SLG Pos
Babe Herman .324 6228 141 .383 .532 *937
Jack Fournier .313 6033 142 .392 .483 *3/7981
Pedro Guerrero .300 6115 137 .370 .480 35978/4
Rico Carty .299 6318 132 .369 .464 7D/3295
Mo Vaughn .293 6410 132 .383 .523 *3D
Larry Doby .283 6299 136 .386 .490 *89/7436
Dolph Camilli .277 6352 135 .388 .492 *3
Danny Tartabull .273 5842 133 .368 .496 *9D/4675
Darryl Strawberry .259 6326 138 .357 .505 *9D/78
Big time. Herman and Carty in particular were famously (infamously?) dreadful fielders.
Doby's the interesting exception. Rarely does an athletic center fielder with his breadth of tools break down so quickly and thoroughly in his mid-30s.
Reyes got a bunt single in the first in Game 162, then sat the rest of the game with his title secured.
Of course big bodies and poor fielding often go with injuries and short careers but there's an alternate universe where Carty had Edgar's career.
he played a brand of attack baseball---always on--always in--
attack defense-- offensive defense
attack offense
special player robbed of time due to an injury sliding into the 3rd base wall at wrigley
the only time I was at HOF there was a display near the Reds case with what he did in '03
maybe one of the ultimate examples of the mind and body all in
special player
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