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Friday, July 21, 2006

CBC: Yankees’ Mussina rips struggling Rodriguez

And why, during sign-off,  did Michael Kay call Mariano Rivera “the hard-luck loser” of the game?

“I don’t know what’s going on,” said a pained Mussina. “I know he’s played better. I know he’s disappointed in the way he’s playing. It’s not him right now. We need him back the way he’s supposed to be.”

...However, Mussina didn’t mince words when assessing the play…“All he had to do was throw it on target,” he said. “He would have been out by 20 feet.”

...“It bothers me when it all mounts up like that, especially after pitching so well for five innings,” said Mussina. “When you get momentum going like that it’s tough to stop.”

 

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   1. bunyon Posted: July 21, 2006 at 11:52 AM (#2106328)
I dunno, this isn't really ripping is it? I mean, he isn't saying Arod isn't trying, he just said that it was a bad throw and a good throw had him and it's frustrating. He also says, accurately, that Arod no doubt is disappointed in it.


Still, shades of Chuck Knoblauch.
   2. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: July 21, 2006 at 11:55 AM (#2106331)
It's not "shades of chuck knoblauch." Did you watch the play. It was a difficult throw that should never have been made, and that POSADA called for. He had to throw over or around the runner.

Two gutpunch losses in a row for the Yanks and they've given back most of the gains since the ASB. At least Boston is going on the road, the the WC is now quite reachable.
   3. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: July 21, 2006 at 12:03 PM (#2106335)
BTW, I am done talking about A-Rod. It's ridiculous. He's not being traded so Yankee fans had better learn to live with him and enjoy the greatest Yankee third baseman since...wel...ever.
   4. Jimmy P Posted: July 21, 2006 at 12:14 PM (#2106341)
BTW, I am done talking about A-Rod. It's ridiculous. He's not being traded so Yankee fans had better learn to live with him and enjoy the greatest Yankee third baseman since...wel...ever.

What about Brosius and Boone? Those guys were good in the clubhouse. This article is proof that everyone hates A-Rod in the clubhouse.
   5. jmac66 Posted: July 21, 2006 at 12:17 PM (#2106343)
I miss Celerino Sanchez
   6. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: July 21, 2006 at 12:19 PM (#2106346)
Classy!
   7. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 21, 2006 at 12:32 PM (#2106350)
I have remained reticent on this topic because I know my opinion may likely cause some consternation. But I am finally compelled to ask?

Where, exactly, is the captain?

I don't know everything there is to know about leadership. I doubt I know 10% of what there is to know about leadership. But I do know when a co-worker is struggling the person considered the group leader needs to intervene. In this case a public show of support would be appropriate. But last I checked said captain was shrugging his shoulders when asked about the home crowd booing said co-worker pretty much telling his peer to "suck it up".

Maybe tough love is needed. I certainly have no idea on the clubhouse dynamic.

But if it's not tough love then at BEST it's disinterest. Which I find highly curious.

So, folks closer to the situation explain to me why the designated captain of the squad sits idly by while the poor b*stard who plays 15 feet away from him is drowning in a sea of criticism???

Honest, I do not understand. Enlighten me.
   8. CrazyAboutLou Posted: July 21, 2006 at 12:33 PM (#2106351)
Trade that loser to the Cubs! Take Ramirez, Jones, and Felix Pie.
   9. The Original SJ Posted: July 21, 2006 at 12:46 PM (#2106353)
Where, exactly, is the captain?....

In this case a public show of support would be appropriate.


Yeah. The captain has always been jealous of Arod's ability.

You know who Arod should call, Mike Schmidt. He understands.
   10. jmac66 Posted: July 21, 2006 at 12:47 PM (#2106354)
Honest, I do not understand. Enlighten me.

ahh, little grasshopper, the actions of The Face of Baseball are beyond the ken of us mere mortals
   11. The Original SJ Posted: July 21, 2006 at 12:48 PM (#2106355)
Oh, and I don't consider this a ripping, it has always been pretty clear that Mike Mussina hates everyone.
   12. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: July 21, 2006 at 12:51 PM (#2106358)
As rippings go, this was disappointing. Mussina could have done much better.
   13. jmac66 Posted: July 21, 2006 at 12:58 PM (#2106361)
you're right, but Mussina's never been a clutch ripper
   14. JC in DC Posted: July 21, 2006 at 12:59 PM (#2106362)
This wasn't a ripping. This is strictly a media attempt to create a story that isn't there. And I don't know what Jeter's supposed to do. He's backed ARod already this season. Big f-in deal. ARod blew another throw.
   15. Chris Dial Posted: July 21, 2006 at 01:06 PM (#2106365)
It's not "shades of chuck knoblauch." Did you watch the play. It was a difficult throw that should never have been made, and that POSADA called for. He had to throw over or around the runner.

It certainly wasn't ripping. ARod may have a damaged shoulder. He's had some real throwing problems.

But, no, that was an easy throw. Posada should have stepped in front of the plate with all that time, but the throw itself was the correct play, and it was a BAD throw. Yes, I was watching the game.
   16. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 21, 2006 at 01:15 PM (#2106373)
JC:

When and what did Jeter say on behalf of the lad? Because the only bit I heard was earlier in the season when folks asked Jeter about the booing which I mentioned in the prior post.

Again, I don't recall anything definitive. If he did then I stand corrected.
   17. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: July 21, 2006 at 01:18 PM (#2106374)
Did you watch the play.

Did you?


It was a difficult throw that should never have been made, and that POSADA called for. He had to throw over or around the runner.

It only looks like the runner was in the way because the throw unnecessarily crossed the line on its way to the back corner of the right-handed batter's box. From the right edge of the third base cut-out to Posada's position out in front of the plate was completely unobstructed.

And, really, the throw wasn't even that bad. They still would've gotten the out if Posada hadn't been more worried about keeping the plate blocked than making the catch. Hill hadn't even reached the cut-out, so there was no reason to try keeping a foot anchored in front of the plate at the expense of reaching another two inches for the ball.
   18. The Original SJ Posted: July 21, 2006 at 01:25 PM (#2106380)
Yeah, Posada reminded me of Millar at 1b who wouldn't give up 1b to go get an errant throw.

Moose did lose the next two hitter after having them up 0-2. ARod didn't have anything to do with that.
   19. jmac66 Posted: July 21, 2006 at 01:30 PM (#2106383)
but Posada's a True Yankee(TM), which trumps all other analysis
   20. Boomer Posted: July 21, 2006 at 01:31 PM (#2106384)
Jeter is not coming to Arod's defense becuase Derek Jeter has the leadship skills of a sea slug. Who doesn't know this already?
   21. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: July 21, 2006 at 01:35 PM (#2106389)
Jeter is not coming to Arod's defense becuase Derek Jeter has the leadship skills of a sea slug. Who doesn't know this already?

Arrr, who's that a-rap tap tapping across my bridge?
   22. Repoz Posted: July 21, 2006 at 01:39 PM (#2106392)
If A-Rod was allowed to play SS in the first place...he wouldn't have had to learn that annoying Jerry Kenney crow-hopping Graig Nettles 3-quarter soft arm toss.

Plant and throw...
   23. Marcus Giles 2 Posted: July 21, 2006 at 01:54 PM (#2106405)
I won't be doing any video clips of A-rod's throwing, but I have an interesting comparison of his swing this year to last year.

This is depressing - from A-rod to A-boot. Man I just want to see him hit a bomb a game the rest of the way and tell everyone to shove it. He should throw the next ball into the upper deck just because. Or maybe peg the runner like dodge-ball (as soon as ball hits runner, A-rod must argue that the runner is out because he got hit before he reached the base)
   24. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 21, 2006 at 02:08 PM (#2106411)
I've said this before, I'll say it again...

A-Rod = the "new" Dave Winfield

The Gods of Baseball abhor gluttony.

The Yankees -- coming off a 103 win/loss in the ALCS season -- signed Winfield in December 1980, amid much rejoicing and continued smugness from Yankee fans. From other circles, there was moaning, groaning, wailing and gnashing of teeth: "The rich get richer!" "Who can beat the Yankees now?" "They've bought another pennant! They'll win forever!"

In 1981, they went on to lose a heartbreaker of a post-season series to a historic rival, then spent the next 13 seasons away from post-season play.

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The Yankees -- coming off a 101 win/loss in the WS season -- traded for A-Rod February 2004, amid much rejoicing and continued smugness from Yankee fans. From other circles, there was moaning, groaning, wailing and gnashing of teeth: "The rich get richer!" "Who can beat the Yankees now?" "They've bought another pennant! They'll win forever!"

In 2004, they went on to lose a heartbreaker of a post-season series to a historic rival...

The Gods of Baseball abhor gluttony.
   25. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: July 21, 2006 at 02:29 PM (#2106433)
The Gods of Baseball abhor gluttony.

As I recall, the Yankees needed a third baseman at the time since the one they were going to go with blew out his knee during a basketball game. So I guess they should've stood pat and just sucked it up.

But then again, gluttony is only limited by one's allegiance to a team. Yankees getting A-Rod is gluttony, Met fans crying for Dontrelle Willis with their team holding a double digit lead in the division must be construed as astute baseball observations by a fan base well known throughout the galaxy for their magnanimity and undying devotion to God, country and Mom's apple pie.
   26. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 21, 2006 at 02:34 PM (#2106439)
As I recall, the Yankees needed a third baseman at the time since the one they were going to go with blew out his knee during a basketball game. So I guess they should've stood pat and just sucked it up.


True enough, but that doesn't mean they had to go the shiniest, most expensive toy on the shelf. There were 27 other thirdbasemen not named Rolen that they could have acquired.


And regarding your Dontrelle argument: as you would no doubt be the first to point out, the Mets haven't won anything yet...
   27. The Original SJ Posted: July 21, 2006 at 02:35 PM (#2106440)
It is certainly hard to say the baseball gods smiled on the Mets the last 20 years.

Hey, is that a firecracker?
   28. Guapo Posted: July 21, 2006 at 02:35 PM (#2106441)
The Gods of Baseball abhor gluttony.

Babe Ruth is the original God of Baseball, and he loved gluttony.

PS: Count the ringzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
   29. Sam M. Posted: July 21, 2006 at 02:36 PM (#2106443)
Met fans crying for Dontrelle Willis with their team holding a double digit lead in the division must be construed as astute baseball observations by a fan base well known throughout the galaxy for their magnanimity and undying devotion to God, country and Mom's apple pie.

I'm glad you see the difference. Saves us having to explain it to you. (But I will point out that the Mets haven't been in the post-season since 2000, and haven't won a World Series in 20 years. We might justifiably be a bit hungrier to win, without it being called gluttony, than Yankee fans circa 2004, coming off a decade of sparkling success.)

But more to the point . . . which Mets' fans around here do you hear clamoring for Willis??? Almost all of us are opposed to a Willis trade, at least any of the ones that you hear bandied about, that would essentially trade every good prospect the Mets have for Willis.
   30. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: July 21, 2006 at 02:41 PM (#2106450)
I can't stand the whole story of someone "ripping" a player or "throwing a player under the bus." It's so freaking gossipy and childish, and it's become such a staple of how sports are covered these days. The whole world's going to hell! To HELL I tell you!
   31. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: July 21, 2006 at 02:42 PM (#2106452)
Face it, we're all gluttons.
   32. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 21, 2006 at 02:43 PM (#2106454)
Hey, is that a firecracker?


EXACTLY!
   33. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: July 21, 2006 at 02:49 PM (#2106459)
Hey, is that a firecracker?

That's col', man.
   34. bunyon Posted: July 21, 2006 at 03:02 PM (#2106471)
True enough, but that doesn't mean they had to go the shiniest, most expensive toy on the shelf. There were 27 other thirdbasemen not named Rolen that they could have acquired.


Or they could have, you know, gotten a third baseman.
   35. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 21, 2006 at 03:06 PM (#2106474)
Geeze...I'm getting old...LOL bunyon...
   36. bunyon Posted: July 21, 2006 at 03:06 PM (#2106475)
BTW, my Knoblauch comp wasn't based on this one bad throw but on the five or six over the last week. With the spotlight that is always on Arod, I would expect a landslide of press about a defensive slump. I don't expect the slump to last, but one never does. Defensive switches often don't work so well and there is no reason to expect a guy to move from gold glove level shortstop to gold glove level third base. From where I sit, Arod looks like a good third baseman who has lapses. Which with his hitting is HOF quality third base. However, he was, defensively, a much better shortstop, which with his hitting made him a candidate for second best player ever. Ah, well.
   37. SG Posted: July 21, 2006 at 03:13 PM (#2106482)
But I will point out that the Mets haven't been in the post-season since 2000, and haven't won a World Series in 20 years
The Mets made the postseason in 2000? What happened that year?

I'm happy to have Alex Rodriguez playing for my favorite team. He's one of the most talented players in baseball. I agree with mcgriffy. The state of sports coverage nowadays is ridiculous. With all the good stories to cover, why must the media focus on garbage like Rodriguez not being able to "handle pressure."

Peter Abraham said it best regarding Steve Phillips, who said the Yankees should trade Rodriguez.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Sort of like trading for an aging Robbie Alomar and Mo Vaughn.
   38. The Original SJ Posted: July 21, 2006 at 03:16 PM (#2106485)
I believe the Mets ended the Yankees 14 game World Series winning streak that year.
   39. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 21, 2006 at 03:23 PM (#2106492)
I find it interesting that Mussian "rips" on ARod for his poor throw because Posada didn't save his bacon by leaving the plate to make the catch, but on the previous batter, Jeter makes a poor throw to first base and Giambi leaves the bag to make the catch and the swipe tag.

If Posada makes the catch and Giambi doesn't make the catch, do you think Mussina would have said anything about Jeter?
   40. Inquisitor Posted: July 21, 2006 at 03:25 PM (#2106496)
Or they could have, you know, gotten a third baseman.



BURNINATION!!!!!


What they needed was a real shortstop. They already had a second baseman (playing shortstop) and a third baseman (playing second). So they very astutely picked up the best shortstop in the game.

Then made him play third base.
   41. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 21, 2006 at 03:42 PM (#2106508)
So they should cancel each other out...
   42. JPWF13 Posted: July 21, 2006 at 03:50 PM (#2106513)
So, folks closer to the situation explain to me why the designated captain of the squad sits idly by while the poor b*stard who plays 15 feet away from him is drowning in a sea of criticism???

Honest, I do not understand. Enlighten me.


1: Jeter does not actually have any real leadership role- "Captain" is a meaningless title (BTW I think its highly unlikely that any player in THAT clubhouse has, or could have a significant meaningful teamwide leadership role)

2: Jeter and ARod used to be chummy- ARod dissed Jeter in an interview, that was it, ARod was dead to him- Jeter's a grudge holder- he may be quiet about it- but it's there (kind of like how Joe DiMaggio has been protrayed in some recent hack job bios actually)
   43. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: July 21, 2006 at 04:14 PM (#2106543)
If anyone would be interested in potentially having a shot at an entry-level position for major league baseball, send your resume to my e-mail listed in my member profile. I'm not promising anything.
   44. Gotham Dave Posted: July 21, 2006 at 04:23 PM (#2106555)
If anyone would be interested in potentially having a shot at an entry-level position for major league baseball, send your resume to my e-mail listed in my member profile. I'm not promising anything.
Assistant to the traveling secretary?
   45. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 21, 2006 at 04:28 PM (#2106560)
Big Stein wants his calzone...
   46. Guapo Posted: July 21, 2006 at 04:37 PM (#2106575)
The position is: Derek Bell's Assistant Crack Whore
   47. Benji Posted: July 21, 2006 at 04:41 PM (#2106580)
Back on point, what Mussina did was the absolute mark of a bad teammate. Last October 10th he got lit up by the Angels and ended the Yankee season. ARod didn't bash him. And last night three other Blue Jays scored on plays that didn't involve Rodriguez. How did they get on base with "not my fault" Moose in there? I wanted the Mets to sign him after he left Baltimore but a friend who knows him said "good pitcher, lousy teammate, insufferable prick". I guess he pegged him pretty good.
   48. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 21, 2006 at 04:55 PM (#2106593)
Jeter does not actually have any real leadership role- "Captain" is a meaningless title

he gets to go out for the coin-toss
   49. villainx Posted: July 21, 2006 at 05:08 PM (#2106602)
Back on point, what Mussina did was the absolute mark of a bad teammate. Last October 10th he got lit up by the Angels and ended the Yankee season. ARod didn't bash him. And last night three other Blue Jays scored on plays that didn't involve Rodriguez. How did they get on base with "not my fault" Moose in there? I wanted the Mets to sign him after he left Baltimore but a friend who knows him said "good pitcher, lousy teammate, insufferable prick". I guess he pegged him pretty good.


Plus Moose's start did nothing to improve my fantasy league team ERA.
   50. Al Kaline Trio Posted: July 21, 2006 at 05:53 PM (#2106634)
Can't Arod just flip to Jeter who can make the clutch throw to first? I'll bet Jeter could even do all that while jumping to prove how uber-clutch and fantastic he is.
   51. T.J. Posted: July 21, 2006 at 07:19 PM (#2106731)
Assistant to the traveling secretary?


No, Assistant Traveling Secretary.
   52. J. Michael Neal Posted: July 21, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2106740)
I wanted the Mets to sign him after he left Baltimore but a friend who knows him said "good pitcher, lousy teammate, insufferable prick".

He's from Stanford. What do you expect?
   53. baudib Posted: July 21, 2006 at 07:50 PM (#2106762)
A-Rod needs some psychotherapy. The guy's a mess.
   54. CrosbyBird Posted: July 21, 2006 at 08:02 PM (#2106775)
I actually watched the post-game interviews on YES last night. The reporters were close to abusive in their questioning... either they were acting on behalf of the extraordinarily dense, or they were deliberately provoking ARod.

"Was it particularly difficult for you to handle the fact that your throw blew the game?"

They actually asked him if he intended to leave after the 2006 season because of the fan's criticisms.

Then they went to Mussina who did sort of throw ARod under the bus. He's a lousy teammate for sure.

ARod seems a little too calm for me. There's no way I would have let Mussina's comments to the press stand without a serious and likely heated discussion. There's just no excuse for burying a teammate when he misplays... to the outside world, he's the greatest player at the position... and you handle the differences in the privacy of the clubhouse.
   55. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: July 21, 2006 at 08:25 PM (#2106789)
ARod seems a little too calm for me. There's no way I would have let Mussina's comments to the press stand without a serious and likely heated discussion. There's just no excuse for burying a teammate when he misplays... to the outside world, he's the greatest player at the position... and you handle the differences in the privacy of the clubhouse.

If you're supposed to handle differences in the privacy of the dugout, why do you expect Little Lord Fauntleroy to be publicly upset by Mussina's comments?
   56. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: July 21, 2006 at 08:29 PM (#2106793)
What I mean is, do you expect ARod to be surly in public over this? How do you know he didn't tell Mussina to eff off in private?
   57. Zac Schmitt Posted: July 21, 2006 at 09:01 PM (#2106810)
not much of a rip. alex does need to play better than he has been playing.


What about Brosius and Boone? Those guys were good in the clubhouse.


plus, they were clutch! i mean, they sucked, but they were clutch.
   58. Zac Schmitt Posted: July 21, 2006 at 09:03 PM (#2106813)
by the way, i love brosius. but alex he ain't.
   59. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: July 21, 2006 at 09:03 PM (#2106814)
The NY media smell Milk-Bone underwear.
   60. DCW3 Posted: July 21, 2006 at 09:35 PM (#2106832)
Dear Mr. Rodriguez:

It is becoming clear that it will be impossible for you to ever satisfy the New York fans. Therefore, I suggest that you stop trying to please them, and become every bit the villain they so desperately want you to be. A few recommendations:

1) Begin referring to yourself in the third person, as "the Rod."

2) When asked after the game about your feelings on a loss (or a win), simply repeat this mantra: "The Rod don't care long as the Rod gets paid."

3) If this response fails to satisfy reporters after a tough loss, enumerate in detail all the points in the game where your teammates and manager failed to perform. Explain that "the Rod can't do it all hisself, people."

4) Buy ten World Series rings from former players or front office personnel who are now down and out and in need of cash. Hell, buy twenty. After completing each transaction, point out to the seller that you just bough the crowning achievement of his life for as much money as you make in the time it takes you to take a dump in the morning. Wave your ring-covered fingers around the clubhouse, yelling, "Count the ringzzzzz!!"

5) Speaking of jewelry, spend more money than most people make in their lives on a huge, diamond-encrusted piece of bling reading "CHOKER LIFE."

6) Take every opportunity to show up the opposing team. When you hit a home run, don't trot around the bases. Walk. The important thing is that at no time should both your feet ever be off the ground. As you walk, perhaps take out an antique pipe and smoke it with a thoughtful look on your face. Or take out a block of wood and a knife and begin whittling.

7) Cloak yourself in as much body armor (preferably diamond-encrusted) as the rules allow, so that you can shrug off the fastballs that will come hurtling after you after the above incidents, and skip merrily to first base.

8) Make sure to always insult the memories of beloved sports figures from the past. For example, if a reporter asks you what you think about the campaign to retire Roberto Clemente's number, respond, "The Rod ain't heard of this Clemento cat, but so long as fools still get to wear the Rod's number, the Rod don't want to hear no more of this retiring number business, a'ight?" When the reporter counters that Clemente gave his life flying to help earthquake victims, write a check for $1,000,000 to "Earthquake Kids" and give it to the reporter, telling him to cash it the next time there's an earthquake: "Now how come the Rod don't get his number retired now? Just 'cause he ain't dumb enough to sit his ass on no plane?" (Be sure to stop payment on the check.)

9) Only endorse the most controversial and/or distasteful products, like Alex Rodriguez Home Abortion Kits, or Alex Rodriguez Heroin Nougat.
   61. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: July 21, 2006 at 10:21 PM (#2106852)
Therefore, I suggest that you stop trying to please them, and become every bit the villain they so desperately want you to be.

I've thought so for a long time. He should take a page out of The Rock's book - become such a heel that everyone can't help but like you.
   62. Johnny Tuttle Posted: July 21, 2006 at 10:25 PM (#2106854)
As I recall, the Yankees needed a third baseman at the time since the one they were going to go with blew out his knee during a basketball game. So I guess they should've stood pat and just sucked it up.

But then again, gluttony is only limited by one's allegiance to a team. Yankees getting A-Rod is gluttony, Met fans crying for Dontrelle Willis with their team holding a double digit lead in the division must be construed as astute baseball observations by a fan base well known throughout the galaxy for their magnanimity and undying devotion to God, country and Mom's apple pie.


They're all idiots. Got it?
   63. Johnny Tuttle Posted: July 21, 2006 at 10:29 PM (#2106857)
As I recall, the Yankees needed a third baseman at the time since the one they were going to go with blew out his knee during a basketball game. So I guess they should've stood pat and just sucked it up.

I'm infinitely more reminded of the Ivana/Donald Christmas gift gag on SNL than I am of O. Henry's original short story.

No one could ever say the Yankees aren't wallowing in their own Versaille-like excess. Their total salary (and that of the Red Sox) vs. any other team, let alone the league average? The Yankees are the most purchased championships and playoff apearances of all time.
   64. Johnny Tuttle Posted: July 21, 2006 at 10:30 PM (#2106858)
Count the ringzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I don't think I've ever heard something so stupid.
   65. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 21, 2006 at 10:36 PM (#2106860)
Only endorse the most controversial and/or distasteful products, like Alex Rodriguez Home Abortion Kits, or Alex Rodriguez Heroin Nougat.

I believe Krusty the Clown has already cornered that market.

"Krusty-Brand Home Pregnancy Test (Warning: may cause birth defects)"
   66. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: July 21, 2006 at 11:17 PM (#2106887)
#63: beyond perfect. Someone e-mail that to Scott Boras stat.
   67. Johnny Tuttle Posted: July 21, 2006 at 11:31 PM (#2106899)
62 is Letterman esque in its beauty.
   68. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 22, 2006 at 12:42 AM (#2106978)
I was hoping someone would set me straight. Because I see what is happening to Alex from afar and while I don't expect a Pee Wee Reese putting an arm around Jackie's shoulder moment I would expect SOMETHING from SOMEBODY on the Yankees, Jeter or otherwise.

As some diehard baseball fans may know, Derrick Turnbow of the Brewers is really stinking up the joint. As the Brewers "closer", he has gacked away 9 (maybe 10) games by his lonesome in the last six weeks. His ERA has almost tripled in the time. He can't throw a strike and when he does guys like Johnny Estrada are cranking 400 foot homers off him to win games. He has been out and out dreadful. But throughout this time not just Ned Yost but player after player has spoken out publicly in support of Derrick. "He's going through a tough spell right but he's the guy we want out there." is the standard remark from Carlos Lee to Jeff Cirillo. Frankly, I think the whole team is populated by morons, but you have to admire the loyalty.

Here's Alex, not doing a quarter of bad as Derrick, but taking 135,633 times the grief and his teammates respond..............BY JOINING IN!!!

I understand that at the end of the day I am a hayseed from backwater Wisconsin who doesn't understand big city ways. But yumpin' yiminy, just seems pretty darn callous to me.

Not trying to play "The Baseball Whisperer" but one has to suspect that Alex just might be quite the "arse" to experience such a complete lack of public support. That or the Yankees are a bunch of sociopaths. Because the quickie definition of a sociopath is an absence of empathy.

Just my 3 pence on the topic. Again, thanks in advance for any local insights........
   69. Zac Schmitt Posted: July 22, 2006 at 04:47 AM (#2107303)
torre should be blamed just as much, if not more so, than jeter.

and HW, you're not a hayseed. you're at least a bushel of mature hay. and i'm from backwater upstate ny, so i have no more way of reckonin them big city ways than you do, except that my parents and all of my friends' parents are from the city, but joe, derek, et all may feel that consoling and supporting alex privately is the better option for some reason, or perhaps alex suggested it himself. then again, the yankees themselves defending alex every second of every day would go a long way to partially (perhaps not wholly) shutting up the media and the ######## in the stands. so maybe they just don't like alex. or maybe they are sociopaths.

i was always under the impression that mussina is kind of a dick and rarely interacts with the other guys on the team. i don't follow that stuff as much as i should though.
   70. Robert S. Posted: July 22, 2006 at 05:25 AM (#2107329)
My guess is that his teammates and Torre realize that the all the time media spends piling on The Rod™ is time they aren't going after anyone else.
   71. Zac Schmitt Posted: July 23, 2006 at 02:30 AM (#2108100)
My guess is that his teammates and Torre realize that the all the time media spends piling on The Rod™ is time they aren't going after anyone else.


problem with this is that the media attention seems to bother alex a lot more than it might other guys. besides, it's unlikely the media will spend their time going after only one other guy. diffusing it amongst the players, especially amongst the players who would handle it better, might be a good idea.

giambi certainly seems to have lucked out, hasn't he?
   72. villainx Posted: July 23, 2006 at 03:04 AM (#2108122)
Only endorse the most controversial and/or distasteful products, like Alex Rodriguez Home Abortion Kits, or Alex Rodriguez Heroin Nougat.


Alex Rodriguez's Salvation Miracles Revival Crusade at Madison Square Garden.

Unclutch indeed.
   73. Spivey Posted: July 23, 2006 at 03:32 AM (#2108141)
4) Buy ten World Series rings from former players or front office personnel who are now down and out and in need of cash. Hell, buy twenty. After completing each transaction, point out to the seller that you just bough the crowning achievement of his life for as much money as you make in the time it takes you to take a dump in the morning. Wave your ring-covered fingers around the clubhouse, yelling, "Count the ringzzzzz!!"


6) Take every opportunity to show up the opposing team. When you hit a home run, don't trot around the bases. Walk. The important thing is that at no time should both your feet ever be off the ground. As you walk, perhaps take out an antique pipe and smoke it with a thoughtful look on your face. Or take out a block of wood and a knife and begin whittling.


Your jokes are hit or miss, but you hit both of these out of the park. It's time for you to take out a couple of blocks of wood.
   74. CrosbyBird Posted: July 23, 2006 at 05:43 AM (#2108174)
What I mean is, do you expect ARod to be surly in public over this? How do you know he didn't tell Mussina to eff off in private?

I don't, and I don't.

I think, based on what I've seen of Arod's public persona, particularly in that interview, that he's either got an exceptional poker face, or he didn't get very upset over Mussina's comments.

I think it would have been acceptable to say something like "One of the things I like about this team is that we rarely allow one person's error to let any of us meltdown. We're always picking up a teammate after a mistake rather than letting the game get away. I guess we just couldn't get that done tonight."

It would be civil enough that he could plausibly deny throwing Mussina under the bus, but would show a little fire against the guy who clearly buried him.
   75. baudib Posted: July 23, 2006 at 08:00 AM (#2108203)
I have to say that the A-Rod debacle this season has been one of the most entertaining Yankee stories to come around in a long time. It's even better than George calling Irabu a fat, pusie toad. Every day is a little more appalling, as it seems that A-Rod's game is just disintegrating in front of the world. One month he can't hit and for half a season he can't get a big in RISP. Then he can't field for a week. Then he DHs and strikes out four times, only to get into the game as a defensive replacement and have Mariano and the boys pound on him like he threw a perfect game after making a routine play to end it.

awesome.

The best part is that it has united sports talk radio. It used to be that if you were a Mets fan, you call up and talk about the Mets and ##### about Yankee fans. If you were a Yankee fan, you talk about the Yankees and ##### about Mets fans. Now, everyone can call up and give their views on A-Rod: he sucks; he's great, I'll take him; Yankee fans are spoiled; he can't handle the pressure; Jeter should do something; David Wright is better; etc.

The Man has brought together an entire city.

And for the rest of you who don't understand what the hell is going on and feel bad for A-Rod, well, who cares already. A-Rod's only chance to be beloved in his hometown - to have a statue of him built outside the stadium - was back in Seattle. He left that behind because, well, $20 million a year wasn't enough and he didn't want to lose those four homers a year. Power to him. However, if you actively seek out the mantle of highest salaried sports star in North American history, and you want to do it on baseball's most hallowed ground, then he should expect to be treated like the mercenary that he is.
   76. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: July 23, 2006 at 10:29 AM (#2108217)
He's from Stanford. What do you expect?


I love you J Michael Neal.
   77. Spivey Posted: July 23, 2006 at 07:12 PM (#2108635)
He left that behind because, well, $20 million a year wasn't enough and he didn't want to lose those four homers a year.

Well, $20 million for 4/5 years is different than $25 for 10 years. If you would honestly turn down over $150 million, I'd say you're absolutely crazy.
   78. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: July 23, 2006 at 07:54 PM (#2108704)
Funny thing is, A-Rod blew it from the get-go. Had he stood up wide-eyed and said "I love Seattle and know what I said earlier but holy [bleep]ing [bleep] Texas offered me a quarter billion dollars--how can I say no to a quarter billion [bleep]ing dollars?? I know nobody deserves this kind of jack but geez...."

I think most folks would've responded: "I hear ya man--don't blame you." We like money, shoot everybody likes money. Rodriguez would've spoken our language. It's all the B.S. that irks people. Had he taken this approach and [when he] wanted out he could've simply said "I really enjoyed Texas and am grateful for everything they did and maybe was dazzled by the dollar signs but I really want a ring badly and I think they're a few years away here."

He might've gotten some static from this but I doubt he'd be the target he is now. He's tried to build an image/monument to himself by being "Mr. Perfect" but people don't relate to that in others. If you're trying to come across as flawless folks are going to look hard for flaws. If you come across as human with the blemishes that come along with it people will be more forgiving because we tend to be more tolerant of our own kind of folks.

Best Regards

John
   79. Backlasher Posted: July 23, 2006 at 08:04 PM (#2108721)
I think most folks would've responded: "I hear ya man--don't blame you." We like money, shoot everybody likes money. Rodriguez would've spoken our language. It's all the B.S. that irks people.

I agree with much of that John, but I also think Arod is marked just for the money.

You cannot be paid that much money and not have certain expectations of performance to go along with it.

Moreover, from the Yankee fans standpoint, ARod not only cost them cash, but they cost them Soriano. There is a big difference in expectation depending on what the player has cost you.

If Arod were 24 and in his second year from the Clippers, the Yankee fans would probably be arguing about how he's "better than David Wright", but he's not. He cost cash, which probably isn't equated by Yankee fans, but did prohibit the Rangers and was seen by Ranger fans. He also cost a useful player.
   80. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: July 23, 2006 at 08:17 PM (#2108739)
You cannot be paid that much money and not have certain expectations of performance to go along with it.

Moreover, from the Yankee fans standpoint, ARod not only cost them cash, but they cost them Soriano. There is a big difference in expectation depending on what the player has cost you.


Point taken but I seem to remember a lot of columns predicting that A-Rod would be the first $20M player and would likely get a 10-year deal. I made a prediction when I was with MLBtalk where I said that (because of Scott Boras) the bidding for A-Rod would begin at 10 years/$200M. Shoot, Boras was priming everybody through the media for that very baseline.

In short, A-Rod's contract wasn't far off what folks were predicting so there's more involved in the vitriol.

Having said that, I hadn't considered the loss of Soriano in the equation of Yankee fans feel about The Rod. I'll amend my point to state that he'd get less grief around the league had he been more candid.

Best Regards

John
   81. The Original SJ Posted: July 23, 2006 at 08:35 PM (#2108757)
As a Yankee fan, the Soriano thing does not effect me, he is not the player ARod was, or is.

He left that behind because, well, $20 million a year wasn't enough and he didn't want to lose those four homers a year. Power to him. However, if you actively seek out the mantle of highest salaried sports star in North American history, and you want to do it on baseball's most hallowed ground, then he should expect to be treated like the mercenary that he is.

Who says no to 80 million more? 80 million? And Texas was coming off a division win. And it was 80 million more!

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