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Saturday, July 07, 2012

CBS Sports: The Anti-All Stars

No need to read the actual article, unless you think you’d enjoy a bunch of stuff like this strung together:

Before he was recalled a month ago, Sanchez was last seen hanging around New Orleans with a sign, “I Will Play for Gumbo.” But this was no Jimmy Buffett concert, even though Sanchez was swinging like he was wearing flip-flops and a coconut bra.

C: Nick Hundley, SD
1B: Gaby Sanchez, MIA
2B: Rickie Weeks, MIL
3B: Orlando Hudson, SD-CHW
SS: Brendan Ryan, SEA (ed. note: Leads the team in WAR!  But I guess that’s not saying much.)  (ed. note 2: You cannot in fact DH for the shortstop.)
LF: Chone Figgins, SEA
CF: Cameron Maybin, SD
RF: Marlon Byrd, CHC-BOS
DH: Jesus Montero, SEA
SP: Cliff Lee, PHI (!); Tim Lincecum, SF; Freddy Garcia, NYY; Tommy Hunter, BAL
CL: Heath Bell, MIA
Mgr: Ozzie Guillen, MIA

The District Attorney Posted: July 07, 2012 at 10:15 PM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: all-star game, special topics

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   1. Banta Posted: July 08, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4176045)
According to bWAR, Brendan Ryan (.191/.293/.282, 67 OPS+) has been exactly as valuable as Mark Trumbo (.306/.359/.602, 166 OPS+), both having 2.8 WAR.

Brendan Ryan leads all shortstops in bWAR this season.

Even more shocking, I think, is that Ryan's slashline is good for .6 oWAR.
   2. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: July 08, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4176051)
(ed. note 2: You cannot in fact DH for the shortstop.)

You can't? Did they change the rule at some point? I remember Billy Martin let Rich Rhoden hit and using the DH for someone else. Time to google to check my memory...

edit: Rick Rhoden STARTED as the DH in that game.
   3. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 08, 2012 at 11:35 AM (#4176058)
Gaby Sanchez: 2011 All-Star
Rickie Weeks: 2011 All-Star
Orlando Hudson: 2007, 2009 All-Star
Chone Figgins: 2009 All-Star
Marlon Byrd: 2010 All-Star
Cliff Lee: 2008, 2010, 2011 All-Star
Tim Lincecum: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 All-Star
Freddy Garcia: 2001, 2002 All-Star
Heath Bell: 2009, 2010, 2011 All-Star
Ozzie Guillen: 1988, 1990, 1991 All-Star
   4. Stormy JE Posted: July 08, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4176094)
According to fWAR, there's real daylight between Trumbo (2.8) and Ryan (1.7).
   5. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 08, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4176095)
weeks has been ridiculously unlucky at the plate. line drives and hard hit grounders go right at people

weeks also has walked a lot.

if his luck normalizes weeks will likely hit .350 in the second half
   6. Zonk cooks his superfish with raisins Posted: July 08, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4176108)
Hmmm.... Seeing that three of these players have spent significant time on my roto team, I think I've figured out why I'm in 7th.
   7. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: July 08, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4176112)
weeks has been ridiculously unlucky at the plate. line drives and hard hit grounders go right at people

weeks also has walked a lot.

if his luck normalizes weeks will likely hit .350 in the second half


That's not really all of it. His BABIP is .262, compared to .305 for his career, so he's been a little unlucky, but if it was .305 he'd still only be hitting .219. His BABIP the last two years was .327; give him that and it would push him to just .233. Other problems: he's striking out almost 30% of the time and not hitting for the same power. The walk rate is nice, but the rest sucks, and as a result, Weeks sucks.
   8. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: July 08, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4176139)
Aren't Dee Gordon, Cliff Pennington and Alexei Ramirez better candidates for this list than Brendan Ryan?
   9. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 08, 2012 at 02:50 PM (#4176184)
rickie's babip was way lower just a few weeks ago as he has been slowly righting the ship.

he homered friday and again today.

rickie has a career batting line of .250/.350/.425

right now he's at .195/.312/.341

he plays 70 games and hits around .320 in the second half and everything ends up normal

you need to have some faith big fella
   10. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: July 08, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4176188)
Guillen's nowhere near the worst manager in the game.
   11. Tripon Posted: July 08, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4176189)
They're playing Chone Figgins in left field? Just cut the guy already.
   12. Greg K Posted: July 08, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4176208)
All-Star related question...is it possible to watch the celebrity softball game live?
   13. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 08, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4176213)
Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay have almost identical statistics except for W/L -- why Lee and not Halladay?
   14. The District Attorney Posted: July 08, 2012 at 04:53 PM (#4176220)
Because:
We get that starting pitchers don't control wins the way they once did given today's bullpens, but for Lee to have zero wins on the morning of July 4 is the most incredible number of the summer.
(I told you not to read the article...)
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 05:03 PM (#4176224)
Guillen's nowhere near the worst manager in the game.


Agree, but he's by far is the most entertaining. Whether it's anti-all star or the real all star game, he should be there.

I do think a few of these names don't belong(Marlon Byrd?) shouldn't the requirement be that you are a starting player, for you to qualify as an anti-all star?
   16. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: July 08, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4176230)
Lincecum got rocked again today. Kind of glad I'm not in the Bay Area to see more of it.
   17. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 08, 2012 at 05:38 PM (#4176236)
weeks 3-5 today

almost to .200
   18. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 08, 2012 at 06:51 PM (#4176262)
The most disappointing team fell to 37-50. Last year, when they lost their 50th game, they had 94 wins! Thank goodness Charlie Manuel benched Victorino because Shane looked down in the dumps and started Jason Pridie, who delivered all three RBIs (HR, 2B) for the Phils. Victorino hasn't had an extra base hit since June 13.
   19. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: July 08, 2012 at 06:57 PM (#4176264)
Lincecum looks finished. I don't know what conclusion there is to reach other than his shoulder/elbow must be ruined.

Edit: His K rate is fine, the BB rate is way up. More likely the elbow, then, I guess.
   20. stig-tossled,hornswoggled gef the talking mongoose Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4176323)
Didn't realize how ####### ghastly Montero has been. Come to think of it, those occasional FB (IIRC) updates from Repoz about how he just crushed a homer of whatever have pretty much dried up ...
   21. Rennie's Tenet Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4176384)
Lincecum looks finished. I don't know what conclusion there is to reach other than his shoulder/elbow must be ruined.

Edit: His K rate is fine, the BB rate is way up. More likely the elbow, then, I guess.


Seeing him pitch against the Pirates today, Lincecum just looks skinny even compared to his old skinny self. It's not easy to add weight in the places you need it, so I don't know what he has left, but I think the Giants should be looking to fill that spot in the rotation.
   22. Ray (CTL) Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4176459)
I don't know what the pitch type/velocity/frequency data shows, but obviously Lincecum's two main problems are: hits allowed, and walks allowed. He's walking 1 to 1.5 more hitters per 9 than he needs to be, and giving up 2 more hits per 9. His BABIP of .335 is significantly higher than his career BABIP of .302.

Also this year, RH hitters are hitting him hard (a departure from his career) and he's getting murdered on the road.

As long as his K rate continues to be excellent and he's not gone all Steve Blass, I'll believe. But there are three options:

1. He's hurt in some way.
2. He's slipped as a pitcher.
3. He's finished as a pitcher.
4. Nothing is really wrong and he'll rebound.

I'm betting on #4.
   23. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:48 PM (#4176506)
Aren't Dee Gordon, Cliff Pennington and Alexei Ramirez better candidates for this list than Brendan Ryan?

Pennington was the first guy I thought of.
He doesn't have to hit a lot to be a good player, but he's got to hit SOMEthing. His OBP is down, slugging is way down.... just... eh.
Ugly.
   24. Walt Davis Posted: July 09, 2012 at 07:20 AM (#4176752)
According to fWAR, there's real daylight between Trumbo (2.8) and Ryan (1.7).

Even so, 1.7 WAR in a half-season is pretty darn good and puts him 4th in the AL (Andrus, Cabrera and, ahem, Aviles).
   25. Lassus Posted: July 09, 2012 at 08:30 AM (#4176784)
Hundley's lucky Nickeas only has 106 PA this year, because he makes Hundley look like Yogi Berra.
   26. Moeball Posted: July 09, 2012 at 04:42 PM (#4177344)
C: Nick Hundley, SD
1B: Gaby Sanchez, MIA
2B: Rickie Weeks, MIL
3B: Orlando Hudson, SD-CHW
SS: Brendan Ryan, SEA (ed. note: Leads the team in WAR! But I guess that’s not saying much.) (ed. note 2: You cannot in fact DH for the shortstop.)
LF: Chone Figgins, SEA
CF: Cameron Maybin, SD
RF: Marlon Byrd, CHC-BOS
DH: Jesus Montero, SEA
SP: Cliff Lee, PHI (!); Tim Lincecum, SF; Freddy Garcia, NYY; Tommy Hunter, BAL
CL: Heath Bell, MIA
Mgr: Ozzie Guillen, MIA


Finally, something the Padres have a chance to be first in! Woo-hoo!

But I'm not bitter...

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