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Thursday, May 03, 2012

CBSSports: Jered Weaver throws no-hitter

Angels ace Jered Weaver on Wednesday night threw the 10th no-hitter in Angels franchise history.

In the course of a 9-0 win over the Twins, a runner to reach via passed ball in the second (although he had already struck out), and then Weaver walked a batter in the seventh. In the final at-bat of the night, Alexi Casilla drove Weaver’s offering to the warning track in right, but Torii Hunter tracked it down.

On the night, Weaver threw 121 pitches, 77 of which were strikes. He struck out nine and walked one.

It’s the 10th time the Twins have been no-hit in their history. It’s also the second straight season in which an Angel has thrown a no-no. Last season, it was Ervin Santana who held the Indians hitless on July 27 of last year. Wednesday night’s historic effort dropped Weaver’s 2012 ERA to 1.61.

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   1. shoewizard Posted: May 03, 2012 at 05:39 AM (#4122340)
Watching the MLB highlight of all 27 outs is stunning. Almost 80% of the pitches he got outs on were UP in the zone. The guy gave a clinic on how to induce weak popups and flyballs. And when he did change elevation guys were swinging at balls in the dirt.

What a great pitcher.
   2. AndrewJ Posted: May 03, 2012 at 07:02 AM (#4122347)
How many guys have thrown an MLB no-hitter with their parents in attendance?
   3. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: May 03, 2012 at 07:14 AM (#4122349)
How many guys have thrown an MLB no-hitter with their parents in attendance?
Amazingly, all of them. This isn't talked about nearly enough.
   4. Leroy Kincaid Posted: May 03, 2012 at 07:17 AM (#4122350)
Of course, he was pitching against little-leaguers...
   5. Lassus Posted: May 03, 2012 at 08:04 AM (#4122360)
Yeah, yeah, whatever. What did Pujols do?
   6. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 03, 2012 at 08:32 AM (#4122366)
Yeah, yeah, whatever. What did Pujols do?


He struck out twice in each at bat.

But things got really bad when he grounded into a double play leading off an inning.
   7. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 03, 2012 at 08:36 AM (#4122367)
How many guys have thrown an MLB no-hitter with their parents in attendance?

When Jonathan Sanchez threw his, wasn't it the first time his father had seen him pitch in the majors?
   8. asinwreck Posted: May 03, 2012 at 09:22 AM (#4122380)
The Dodgers just emerged out of the control of their financially-strapped, deeply unpopular owner. The new ownership group features the area's most popular athletic star.

Down the road, the Angels just got their 10th no-hitter. This came from a #1 pick they drafted, developed, and held onto.

Big day in baseball history for the LA area, and I'm stunned this hasn't turned into a Mets thread yet.
   9. BDC Posted: May 03, 2012 at 09:40 AM (#4122386)
Little as I ever like an Angels victory (coupled with a Rangers loss earlier), Weaver is one of my favorite visiting players, and always a treat to watch. As #1 says, a complete pitcher who keeps hitters off-balance, not just a thrower who hopes for the best.
   10. Shredder Posted: May 03, 2012 at 09:55 AM (#4122397)
Yeah, yeah, whatever. What did Pujols do?
Went 1 for 5 and dropped his average.
   11. JE (Jason) Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:04 AM (#4122403)
MGL shakes his head:

I just don’t get all the fanfare. I really don’t. Sure, it is fun to watch. I’m talking about teammates jumping around like they won the World Series and players hugging and crying. That kind of reaction is just not commensurate with the accomplishment in my opinion.

Colon’s 38 strikes in a row was less likely than a no-hitter. I didn’t see anyone jumping around with that. You can come up with all kinds of goofy “records” that are reflective of a good performance and lots of luck, like a no-hitter. Big deal. I’m sure I am in a very small minority on this one, but hey…
   12. Craig in MN Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:07 AM (#4122405)
As noted in the Gardenhire/Little League thread, Weaver is scheduled to face the Twins again in MN in 5 days. Set your DVRs.
   13. WillYoung Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:14 AM (#4122414)
I watched the first three innings last night, turned to my wife and said, "I'm going to sleep. The Twins'll won't be getting a hit tonight." Didn't expect that would actually happen, but it was obvious quickly (especially after getting shut down by Jerome Williams) that the Twins bats are missing right now.
   14. Lassus Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:16 AM (#4122415)
I'm not sure I've ever said this before, but it really sounds like MGL needs to get laid.
   15. Shredder Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:27 AM (#4122425)
Colon’s 38 strikes in a row was less likely than a no-hitter.
So is the cycle. So is striking out the side on nine pitches. But those are extremely short term accomplishments that rely on a lot of quirk and luck. A no-hitter, for the most part, is dominance over the course of an entire game. On top of that, we celebrate it because it is just shy of the pinnacle of what a pitcher can do in one game. Hitting for the cycle is great, but there are better things a hitter can do. Not to say that there's no luck involved. Sometimes you just run into the right team, as Weaver appeared to do last night.

As for Colon, he gave up two hits in that stretch. That's pretty impressive, but it's not dominant. I'd venture to guess that a just about every pitcher in baseball could through 38 strikes in a row if they were actually trying to throw 38 strikes in a row. Presumably at some point Colon wasn't trying to throw the ball in the strike zone and needed some help. There's a lot more dumb luck involved in that. It's a fun stat, but that's about it.
   16. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:28 AM (#4122426)
I'm not sure I've ever said this before, but it really sounds like MGL needs to get laid.


He's pretty much right, though. No-hitters are flukes, and it's hard to see what's so exciting about them. Weaver walked a guy. And another reached on a passed-ball strikeout. Why does giving up a hit ruin everything, but giving up a walk does not?
   17. jmurph Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:34 AM (#4122434)
And I'm not sure I've ever said this before, but the quote in #11 is truly mom's basement material. My god.
   18. Craig in MN Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:36 AM (#4122438)
I'm not sure I've ever said this before, but it really sounds like MGL needs to get laid.


You know, after getting laid, he'd just say the same thing:

“That kind of reaction is just not commensurate with the accomplishment in my opinion”
   19. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:37 AM (#4122440)
Why does giving up a hit ruin everything, but giving up a walk does not?


According to BBRef there have been 8,749 complete games of 9 or more inning without a walk issued since 1918.

There have been 176 no hitters.
   20. zack Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:39 AM (#4122444)
They're arbitrary, but they have meaning to the players. The players want the achievement, so it is stressful to them. The fielders always talk about how badly they want it for "their guy", so it's not just the pitcher alone. Several hours of hard, stressful work results in celebration when things come together and they pull it off. It doesn't matter if it's arbitrary if you care.

I'm a robot and even I get that.
   21. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:43 AM (#4122452)
Games that match Jered Weaver's start (CG, 0 hits, 1 BB, 2 or less base runners): 36.
Games that match Ray's reversal (CG, 1 hit, 0 BB, 2 or less base runners): 111

   22. Shredder Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:44 AM (#4122454)
I’m talking about teammates jumping around like they won the World Series and players hugging and crying.
And this part, wow. He's criticizing players on the field being happy for their teammate. Seriously. After the game, Torii Hunter said he would taken a concussion and missing 5-10 games if it meant WEAVER got the no-hitter. He didn't say that he, Torii Hunter, would be getting the credit. He was jumping up and down because he was excited for his teammate. When Weaver retires, no one is going to say "Hey, remember that day that Weaver, Iannetta, Pujols, Kendrick, Aybar, Trumbo, Wells, Bourjos, and Hunter pitched a no-hitter?"
   23. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:50 AM (#4122459)
After the game, Torii Hunter said he would taken a concussion and missing 5-10 games if it meant WEAVER got the no-hitter. He didn't say that he, Torii Hunter, would be getting the credit. He was jumping up and down because he was excited for his teammate.


That's what they always say- "There's no I in Torii."
   24. Nasty Nate Posted: May 03, 2012 at 10:59 AM (#4122468)
...So is striking out the side on nine pitches...


Is there a list of these? I think B.Y. Kim and Pedro did it semi-recently.
   25. JE (Jason) Posted: May 03, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4122471)
After the game, Torii Hunter said he would taken a concussion and missing 5-10 games if it meant WEAVER got the no-hitter.

After what just happened to Junior Seau, perhaps Hunter could have instead talked about carrying blocks of ice up several flights of stairs?
   26. McCoy Posted: May 03, 2012 at 11:02 AM (#4122472)
According to BBRef there have been 8,749 complete games of 9 or more inning without a walk issued since 1918.

There have been 176 no hitters.


There have been 131 one hitters with no walks from 1918 to 2012. There have been 160 CG no hitters with at least one walk since 1918.

To further it there have been 86 games in which a pitcher gave up a hit and no walks and the hit was a single.

Matt Cain was the last to do it on April 13th.
   27. AROM Posted: May 03, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4122492)
As noted in the Gardenhire/Little League thread, Weaver is scheduled to face the Twins again in MN in 5 days. Set your DVRs.


This is one of those times where you look at the schedule and say WTF? This will be the third time the Angels play the Twins, and finish the season series against them before playing a single game vs. Texas or Seattle.
   28.     Hey Gurl Posted: May 03, 2012 at 11:30 AM (#4122503)
I sort of agree with mgl.. I will modify to say I find All complete game shutouts exciting. I no hitters aren't really above that to me.

Yes yes need to get laid. Grow up.
   29. WillYoung Posted: May 03, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4122521)
This is one of those times where you look at the schedule and say WTF? This will be the third time the Angels play the Twins, and finish the season series against them before playing a single game vs. Texas or Seattle.


The Twins have played ONE series against an AL Central opponent yet will have played the entire AL East and the Angels in three different series by the end of next week. Bizarre.
   30.     Hey Gurl Posted: May 03, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4122535)
Games that match Jered Weaver's start (CG, 0 hits, 1 BB, 2 or less base runners): 36.
Games that match Ray's reversal (CG, 1 hit, 0 BB, 2 or less base runners): 111


That is not because it requires less skill, but because it requires a lot less cooperation from the environment (weather, fielding, turf, sheer dumb luck, etc.) I am still more impressed with the latter, personally.
   31. Dangerous Dean Posted: May 03, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4122543)
I despise the Angels and love the Rangers. But Weaver is on my fantasy team and just catapulted me back into 1st place.

the no hitter was really exciting. But I found myself almost as happy about the CG since we get points for CGs and they are the hardest category to find.

Congrats on the no hitter and the winning streak. Now get back to losing 4 in a row until Weaver wins again next time he takes the hill.
   32. BDC Posted: May 03, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4122551)
Torii Hunter said he would taken a concussion and missing 5-10 games if it meant WEAVER got the no-hitter

Hell, I'll take a concussion and missing 5-10 days of work if it means seeing a no-hitter.
   33. PreservedFish Posted: May 03, 2012 at 12:56 PM (#4122581)
No-hitters are flukes, and it's hard to see what's so exciting about them.


Does your entire family share your soulless, robotic tendencies? Just curious.
   34. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: May 03, 2012 at 01:18 PM (#4122595)
Has anyone here been lucky enough to attend a no-hitter? I was fortunate to be at Fenway for Jon Lester's no-no, and the excitement in the park was unbelievable as the game wound towards its conclusion. To complain that the players themselves celebrate it too much is merely giving credence to the old accusation that stat-savvy types don't actually enjoy watching the games.

Weaver's a stud. Great accomplishment last night.
   35. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: May 03, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4122607)
Does your entire family share your soulless, robotic tendencies? Just curious.


I remember watching Kirk Gibson's home run in the 1988 World Series, yawning, and muttering "Small sample size."
   36. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: May 03, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4122610)
Has anyone here been lucky enough to attend a no-hitter? I was fortunate to be at Fenway for Jon Lester's no-no, and the excitement in the park was unbelievable as the game wound towards its conclusion. To complain that the players themselves celebrate it too much is merely giving credence to the old accusation that stat-savvy types don't actually enjoy watching the games.


I got Red Sox season tickets in 2001. The Sox have thrown four (or five*) no hitters since and I have not attended a single one.**

* - depending on if you count Devern Hansack's five inning no-no on the last day of the 2006 season. I do, MLB does not.

** - I was at the Hansack game but I left. My brother and I had gone in early and grabbed something to eat then waited around on a dreary day. There was a 3 1/2 hour rain delay at the start and we figured they'd never get the game in so we just bailed.

I despise the Angels and love the Rangers. But Weaver is on my fantasy team and just catapulted me back into 1st place.


I have Jered Weaver, Carlos Beltran and Chipper Jones. Last night was a very nice night.
   37. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: May 03, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4122611)

I remember watching Kirk Gibson's home run in the 1988 World Series, yawning, and muttering "Small sample size."


Why were you up so late watching an exhibition game?
   38. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: May 03, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4122617)
Has anyone here been lucky enough to attend a no-hitter?

I was one of maybe five Reds fans at the Halladay LDS no-hitter. It was a weird, painful yet pleasurable experience.
   39. BWV 1129 Posted: May 03, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4122620)
I have attended two no-hitters, though one wasn't "official" as it only went eight innings (Jered was involved with that one, too). My team has thrown the no-hitter one of the two times, and has lost both of them.

In every Jered start I think a no-hitter is a possibility*, so it was very exciting to see it finally come true.

*This isn't just fanboyism. He has a lot of traits that make a no-hitter more likely: he's a strikeout pitcher; he's an extreme flyball pitcher, so his BABIP is lower than average; he pitches in a home park that is very forgiving to flyballs; he has an OF behind him that is excellent defensively.

Also, in his home games his release point lines up with the rock fountain.
   40. phredbird Posted: May 03, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4122624)
I watched the first three innings last night, turned to my wife and said, "I'm going to sleep. The Twins'll won't be getting a hit tonight." Didn't expect that would actually happen, but it was obvious quickly (especially after getting shut down by Jerome Williams) that the Twins bats are missing right now.


i was watching, kind of to see if pujols was going to start coming out of his funk. he got a hit, i think in the fourth or something, then i was sort of watching, sort of dozing off. i knew weaver had not allowed a hit, but i just ... forgot. i turned off the tv and went to bed, and when i turned on MLB this morning over coffee there's weaver jumping up and down. sheesh.
   41. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: May 03, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4122628)
I have Jered Weaver, Carlos Beltran and Chipper Jones. Last night was a very nice night.


The hell it was. I have A.J. Burnett, & I actually thought about sitting him. But nooooooooooo ...

(*sigh* That one probably belongs in the "Worst call of the MLB season so far?" thread.)
   42. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 03, 2012 at 01:49 PM (#4122629)
I attended something even rarer in modern times, a game where a pitcher threw 130 pitches.
   43. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: May 03, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4122631)
Has anyone here been lucky enough to attend a no-hitter?


Only by some guy who pitched, IIRC, a 7-inning version vs. the hometown Arkansas Travelers back in the mid-'90s. Pretty neat, even so.
   44. McCoy Posted: May 03, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4122633)
I saw Omar Daal throw 6 innings of no-hit ball before he gave up a hit in the top of the 7th.
   45. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: May 03, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4122639)
I was at the Andy Hawkins no-hitter that later became a non-no-hitter. I was also at this game. So, no no-hitters for me.
   46. Tippecanoe Posted: May 03, 2012 at 02:03 PM (#4122646)
Last night was a very nice night

...for baseball fans. Three "save the ticket stub" kind of games in LA, Atlanta, and D.C. Most thrilling night overall so far this year.
   47. Xander Posted: May 03, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4122648)
I was at Mussina's near perfect game which was broken up by Carl Everett.
   48. SG Posted: May 03, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4122651)
Closest I came to seeing a no-hitter was this game on September 16, 1996. Jimmy Key was perfect until the sixth, then gave a up a single to Tomas Perez with two outs. Key ended up allowing two hits over eight scoreless innings.

As an aside, it was Tim Raines' birthday and he homered twice. The roof was open but after he hit his second HR it started to pour and they had to close the roof while the game was going on. That was cool to watch.
   49. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: May 03, 2012 at 02:13 PM (#4122654)
I attended something even rarer in modern times, a game where a pitcher threw 130 pitches.

Hah! Lester threw 130 in his no-no as well.
   50. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 03, 2012 at 02:15 PM (#4122656)
I'm not sure I've ever said this before, but it really sounds like MGL needs to get laid.


I just don’t get all the fanfare. I really don’t. Sure, sexual intercourse is fun to do. I’m talking about women screaming out the name of the Lord and people sweating and lighting cigarettes. That kind of reaction is just not commensurate with the accomplishment in my opinion.

Getting a handjob in a train station waiting room is less likely than sexual intercourse. I didn’t see anyone jumping around with that. You can come up with all kinds of goofy “activities” that are reflective of a good sexual experience and lots of luck, like intercourse. Big deal.
   51. Kurt Posted: May 03, 2012 at 02:22 PM (#4122661)
Has anyone here been lucky enough to attend a no-hitter?

I was at David Wells' perfect game, and the fans were pathetic. Most of the fans in our section left well before the game ended, and seemed to be there primarily because there was a Beanie Baby giveaway.

   52. OCF Posted: May 03, 2012 at 02:28 PM (#4122670)
I just got a notice from my local athletic department (yes, I'm at Cal State U. Long Beach, aka Long Beach State) trumpeting the no-hitter and promoting a Jered Weaver bobblehead night at a Dirtbag game on May 18.

I have to guess that they had already planned the bobblehead night and ordered the merchandise - they just got lucky on this.
   53. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: May 03, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4122673)
I was at Randy Johnson's perfecto in Atlanta. (Dumb luck, was in town on business and made a last-minute decision to go.) The Braves fans were *awesome*.
   54. phredbird Posted: May 03, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4122674)
#50 is all kinds of awesome.
   55. flournoy Posted: May 03, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4122677)
Has anyone here been lucky enough to attend a no-hitter?


I threw one in Little League, does that count? I guess not, but as far as experiences go, I'd take that a hundred times over watching someone else throw one, no matter the level.
   56. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 03, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4122682)
I threw one in Little League, does that count? I guess not, but as far as experiences go, I'd take that a hundred times over watching someone else throw one, no matter the level.

I caught a no hitter in slow-pitch softball. A softball no-hitter has to be waaaaaaay rarer than an MLB one.
   57. A Random 8-Year-Old Eskimo Posted: May 03, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4122684)
I watched the post-game interview with Weaver's father and he mentioned that Jeff had a no-hitter broken up with two out in the 9th on a ball that "should have been caught" by a substitute defensive right fielder. I went through Jeff Weaver's game logs and figure he must be talking about May 22, 2002 against the Indians, when Jeff was still a member of the Tigers. Jeff Weaver lost a no-hitter with two out in the 8th inning on a double to right field. The right fielder was Craig Paquette. There was no defensive substitute in the game. It's understandable that some of the details may have become muddled over time, but does anyone remember if this is a ball that Paquette should have caught? Or, perhaps, if it's one that a good defensive outfielder may have caught?

Anyhow, congrats to Jered. As fluky or less impressive as other accomplishments as it may be, a no-hitter is pretty special and it clearly meant a lot to him to do it at home in front of Angels fans and his family.
   58. bunyon Posted: May 03, 2012 at 02:53 PM (#4122695)
Ditto on the only no-hitter I've attended was one I threw in high school (a 8-1 win). I must have walked like 7 or 8 guys in 7 innings and we committed a couple of errors. I'm guessing MGL wouldn't have been impressed.

As for MGL, like others, I disagree with him but am unsurprised at this point. For stats type analysis, I'll read what he has to say. For anything about the soul of the game or the human experience, I doubt I'll be looking to him for answers.
   59. Tippecanoe Posted: May 03, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4122712)
I played in a double no-hit in high school. Our pitcher led off the bottom of the first extra inning with a double - the game's only hit, as he would score on a sac fly a couple of batters later. It was the first time his mother had ever attended one of his games.
   60. Kyle S at work Posted: May 03, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4122759)
I was at Ubaldo's no-no vs. the Braves two years ago with my wife. It was weird, though, because he walks so many guys it didn't "feel" like a special game. He pitched great though. The Indians are no doubt wondering what happened to that guy.

I also remember watching Halladay's perfect game against the Marlins on my iPhone while at a Braves game - just watching the last couple innings of that one was cool.
   61. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: May 03, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4122772)
My first Little League game was a no-hitter by our pitcher. He had 16 strikeouts and the catcher threw out two people trying to advance on what would have been wild pitches or passed balls. Nobody on their team even hit the ball. We won 22-6 because even a good nine-year-old pitcher walks a few dozen guys. There was a little story about it in the paper. My parents kept it, which is why I remember all that.
   62. DA Baracus Posted: May 03, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4122776)
I just want to applaud #50.
   63. PreservedFish Posted: May 03, 2012 at 03:54 PM (#4122782)
I caught a no hitter in slow-pitch softball. A softball no-hitter has to be waaaaaaay rarer than an MLB one.


Ooooh. How did that happen?
   64. BDC Posted: May 03, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4122796)
There's a circular sense in which no-hitters are exciting because people get excited about them. Toby Harrah once played a doubleheader at shortstop without a fielding chance, which I'd guess is one of the rarest and weirdest things you can do in baseball, but I wonder if anyone was particularly noticing, let alone on the edge of their seats lest the next pitch be hit on the ground to the left side. I was at a game once where Juan Gonzalez hit three sacrifice flies, which is the record and has only been done 11 times, much rarer than a no-hitter; we only learned about it from a scoreboard trivia footnote after the third SF. Of course there's the additional argument that nobody in their right mind gives a #%*$ about SS chances or SFs. But MGL might argue that nobody should give a #%*$ about hits either, since they are a curious technicality just tangentially related to the object of the game.
   65. Russ Posted: May 03, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4122801)
He's pretty much right, though. No-hitters are flukes, and it's hard to see what's so exciting about them. Weaver walked a guy. And another reached on a passed-ball strikeout. Why does giving up a hit ruin everything, but giving up a walk does not?


This is crazy town right here... no-hitters are not flukes relative to your garden variety game. They are flukes, perhaps, relative to 1-hitters or even 2-hitters, but let's not pretend that this isn't an amazing achievement and excellent baseball performance.
   66. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: May 03, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4122808)
You could do this in a good-natured way - say, for example, that complete-game 10-hitters are much more rare than no-hitters.
   67. AJMcCringleberry Posted: May 03, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4122838)
No-hitters are flukes, and it's hard to see what's so exciting about them.

If you are talking about AJ Burnett or Edwin Jackson, I agree.
   68. PreservedFish Posted: May 03, 2012 at 04:37 PM (#4122843)
Who cares about the probabilities? Most people don't need a calculator to determine how excited they ought to be.
   69. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: May 03, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4122848)
I was at Mussina's near perfect game which was broken up by Carl Everett.

I was at Schilling's 26-out no-no that was broken up iirc by Jay Payton with 2 down in the 9th in Oakland.


Count me down as someone else dying to know how a slow-pitch softball no-hitter is done. 21 consecutive at-em balls??
   70. Dread Pirate Dave Roberts Posted: May 03, 2012 at 04:45 PM (#4122850)
Has anyone here been lucky enough to attend a no-hitter? I was fortunate to be at Fenway for Jon Lester's no-no, and the excitement in the park was unbelievable as the game wound towards its conclusion. To complain that the players themselves celebrate it too much is merely giving credence to the old accusation that stat-savvy types don't actually enjoy watching the games.


I was also at that game, went with my now-wife, up in the left field stands. The tickets were a early birthday gift from a friend; one of the best presents I ever got. I usually keep track of these types of things from the first moment, but I didn't notice he hadn't given up a hit until the 5th inning. The 9th inning was the loudest I've ever heard Fenway before (didn't attend playoff games in 2004 and 2007, but it was louder than the 1999 and 2008 playoff losses I went to) -- I completely agree with your excitement assessment.

   71. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: May 03, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4122852)
I was at Schilling's 26-out no-no that was broken up iirc by Jay Payton with 2 down in the 9th in Oakland.

Hey, ditto!
That was a great day to play hooky from work.

I've seen slow-pitch no-hitters through three or four innings, but nothing close to all seven innings.
Maybe a slow-pitch 7-inning shutout is comparably rare to a major-league baseball no-hitter.
   72. bunyon Posted: May 03, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4122859)
I had a ticket to Cone's perfect game. But it was my first anniversary and, even though my wife is not the sentimental type and told me I should absolutely go (not knowing, obviously, what was about to happen), I insisted on it being my "duty" to take her to dinner.

In the end it was the best gift I've ever given her because, 13 years later, she still uses it as one of the main examples of how I'm an idiot.
   73. billyshears Posted: May 03, 2012 at 05:08 PM (#4122863)
I am a Mets fan, which leads to the odd confluence of accepting that no Mets pitcher will ever throw a no-hitter and becoming unduly hopefully every time a Mets pitcher throws a hitless first inning.

I was at a game when Dwight Gooden had a no-hitter broken up in the 8th inning. That was fun.
   74. Shredder Posted: May 03, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4122876)
Of course there's the additional argument that nobody in their right mind gives a #%*$ about SS chances or SFs. But MGL might argue that nobody should give a #%*$ about hits either, since they are a curious technicality just tangentially related to the object of the game.
That doesn't really make sense though. It's interesting trivia, but nobody accomplished anything to keep Harrah from getting chances. And sac flies are OK, I guess, but nobody sets out to hit three sac flies in a game. I'm sure Juan Gonazales would have preferred three homers, or hell, even three singles. On the other hand, I wouldn't call no-hitters curious technicalities tangentially related to the object of the game. If you're a pitcher, the object of the game is to not give up any hits. That's not a tangent, that's the actual object. I guess you could say the object is to not allow runs, but the best way to do that is to not allow hits.
   75. Mark Donelson Posted: May 03, 2012 at 05:31 PM (#4122881)
I was at a game when Dwight Gooden had a no-hitter broken up in the 8th inning. That was fun.

I was at Gooden's 1996 no-no. It was really thrilling--as others here have said, in a very unusual way. (It's odd when the home crowd is rooting for its team's offense to get off the field.) Went on a last-minute whim with two guys from my then-office, one of whom somehow didn't figure out a no-hitter was going on until the eighth inning or something. The other two of us were smirking at him for several innings.

I was also at one of Gooden's 16-K games with the Mets, though I can't figure out which one. Thought it was against the Phillies, but I don't remember it being a game he lost. Ah, dead brain cells, how I miss you...

Neither are the game I'm most grateful to have attended, though. (That'd be Buckner.)
   76. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 03, 2012 at 05:31 PM (#4122882)
I caught a no hitter in slow-pitch softball. A softball no-hitter has to be waaaaaaay rarer than an MLB one.


Ooooh. How did that happen?


No idea. It's not like I was calling great pitch sequences, and he kept hitting the corners :-)

Just lots of impatient batters, weak contact, and balls hit right at people. He did walk a few people, so maybe he was just effectively wild, and the impatience of the hitters doomed them.
   77. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 03, 2012 at 05:36 PM (#4122883)
That must have been awful for the other team. I've been on the butt end of slow-pitch softball shutouts, and it's ####### humiliating. When the other team feels the need to console you after the game, you know you're an unspeakably awful pile of crap.

To get no-hit... man, that stings.
   78. cardsfanboy Posted: May 03, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4122887)
MGL shakes his head:


He's really trying to become the poster boy for the stathead stereotype.
   79. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 03, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4122890)
That must have been awful for the other team. I've been on the butt end of slow-pitch softball shutouts, and it's ####### humiliating. When the other team feels the need to console you after the game, you know you're an unspeakably awful pile of crap.

To get no-hit... man, that stings.


Yeah, they were not pleased.

Thinking back, part of it may have been that it was a modified fast pitch league (throw as hard as you want, but no windup), but our guy threw really high lob style (the league was about 60:40 fast pitchers vs. lob, and some teams had College women who could throw HARD).

At least it wasn't a blow-out; I think it was 4-0.
   80. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: May 03, 2012 at 06:05 PM (#4122904)
I've never heard of modified fast-pitch. How does that work? You can't take your arm back behind you, or above your shoulder or something?
   81. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 03, 2012 at 06:11 PM (#4122910)

It was a weird, painful yet pleasurable experience.

This is also what MGL would say after getting laid.
   82. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 03, 2012 at 06:17 PM (#4122917)
But he would also have to chalk that up to small sample size.
   83. DA Baracus Posted: May 03, 2012 at 06:21 PM (#4122921)
The cognitive dissonance of saying:

I just don’t get all the fanfare. I really don’t. Sure, it is fun to watch. I’m talking about teammates jumping around like they won the World Series and players hugging and crying. That kind of reaction is just not commensurate with the accomplishment in my opinion.


And then

I am as excited as anyone to witness a no-no


is impressive. Clearly MGL, you were nowhere near as excited as Jered Weaver's teammates were.
   84. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 03, 2012 at 06:47 PM (#4122939)

Anyway, as a Mets fan I have never been to a no-hitter. The closest I have been to is seeing this game, in which Glendon Rusch and Armando Benitez combined for a one-hitter. The only hit was a first-inning bunt by Trot Nixon on which Lenny Harris (playing first base!) made an error, but it was ruled a hit + error. Nixon was just trying to sacrifice over Chris Stynes, who had also reached base on an error by Harris. Just another one of many reasons why you don't start Lenny Harris at first base.

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