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1. Jacob Posted: October 27, 2010 at 11:30 AM (#3676620)In all fairness, it doesn't take much of an injury anywhere on a pitcher's body to eventually make it up to their arm. Chuck Finley, as an example, suffered arm problems because of a toe problem that caused him to alter his follow-through. As fat as CC is (seriously, with those oversized pants and jersey he wears, he looks like he's wearing a mumu), it isn't hard to imagine something going out of wack with his delivery.
Especially a delivery like his, as he has several timing mechanisms in it.
Or he had a minor meniscus tear, quite possibly from an acute rather than a chronic insult, which Nercessian or Geller or Kiernan or Lee will fix.
Man, Teixiera got hurt, Sabathia sort of sucked and had surgery and Burnett was...well, Burnett. I sense a really good book about the 2009 Yankees down the line somewhere.
I think all the empirical evidence shows fat pitchers slightly less likely to get hurt.
Wells was a whale and pitched forever.
Jonathan Lee. I also forgot Macauley.
It seems like some folks are hoping that Sabathia's injury is serious.
Mostly the folks who are Boston fans.
Given that by his own admission CC tops three bills, I'm pretty sure there's no comparable pitcher of his girth, let alone one of his quality and girth. Outside of NFL linemen and Sumo wrestlers, there aren't a lot of 300 pound professional atheletes. CC is pretty much sui generis.
Huh?
Alright, some person.
I see no evidence of that at all.
Awe, I thought we were going for snark here? Hangs head in shame*
And Samoan professional wrestlers!
Afa and Sika laugh at your minor meniscus tear.
They're still alive?
There is no way Ryan weighed that little by the mid-point of his career. The mid-late part of his career, he was built like a tank. That said, I do agree that he wasn't within 60 pounds of Sabathia right now.
Maybe, bowlers & John Daly?...
On the subject of similarity, BB-Ref has Tim Hudson as CC's most similar. Two Hudsons could fit into Sabathia's uniform.
They're calling in David Schwimmer now?
Yeah, I didn't get that either.
Only if you want the PTC writing in to the FCC to complain about the gratuitous displays of bosoms on Yankees broadcasts.
Are you suggesting that golf-players are athletes?
Yeah, mid-late career Ryan was probably more like 200-210. Solidly built, but not carrying around any extra flab. Late career Roger Clemens always looked bloated and porky to me... wonder how much he was weighing in at.
Clemens is 6'4 and was probably tipping the scales at 235 or 240 the last decade of his career.
Those damn Sox fans ... words can pierce deeper than swords, you know (snif!).
You want to dance along. You know you do.
How about Doctors Howard, Fine and Howard?
Whoo-hoo, watch that blubber fly!
Why would Sabathia go to the Red Sox medical staff?
Actually, when Ray says "Looks like his knee finally said no mas. There may be other body parts to follows" it means, I think he'll be fine and win the Cy Young next year.
It's the same as when back in March he guaranteed that Ron Washington would be gone by opening day. It's a bashful way of showing support.
Given how often I'm on Ray's side, it should be a pretty clear signal if I'm not seeing it that there is really no evidence there of Ray hoping CC is injured.
I see no evidence of that at all.
Nor do I, at least not here.
It seems like some Yankees fans are on a paranoid hair trigger. A guilt complex from the bloated payroll perhaps?
Why would one feel guilty about that? It's not the fans' money.
The point about heavy pitchers lasting long is an interesting one. Just thinking of the recent and semi-recent versions; Reuschel, Livan, Wells, Sabathia, all were fairly efficient in their movements. I don't think the weight is an advantage but my guess is that a guy of that size who tries to put out max effort simply won't be able to do it. The other thing, just looking at that list is that all were considered good athletes. Reuschel and CC are/were very good hitters and Livan and Wells always had a good defensive rep.
What's to feel guilty about? That's money the team earned fairly. The fans of the welfare teams whose fabulously wealthy ownerships beg for free Yankee dollars, now there's a group of people who should be overwhelmed with guilt.
Actually, it is the fans' money, through ticket sales, cable fees, concessions, etc.
That's exactly why they shouldn't feel guilty. They support the team, and the team uses those resources to build a winner.
I don't know, I'm just trying to figure out what it is that has some of these Yankees fans in such a state of hypersensitive paranoia.
Perhaps. I find that many Yankees fans, though this is not restricted to Yankees fans, observe bizarre rituals when it comes to combining different sorts of foods.
Obsessive Success Disorder? Sounds like the kind of diagnosis only a failure would proffer.
To how many pitchers of C's caliber -- regardless of size -- does this not apply, i.e.: that given a record of health he's likely to maintain it, but that a knee ligament tear is the kind of thing that we can look back on in five years and say "this is where it started." Do thin pitchers really not suffer apparently minor injuries that turn out major?
I mean, aside from the fact that what's happening here is in the best Bill Frist tradition of diagnosing a patient from a newspaper (with the exceptions that there are fewer doctors on this board and that Floridian's case was more fully described.)
SoSH -- got it! You're not saying you hope the injury is serious, you're just hoping it is. The sort of distinction that matters around here.
If that's how you want to interpret my comment, knock yourself out.
Lolich wasn't much of a hitter (110/215/121), but did hit a home run in his first WS at-bat.
Actually, what he said was that Nolan pounded him 300 times if it was once.
Now, were this the Mets or Red Sox medical staff, I'd assume that while scoping his knee they discovered he needs Tommy John surgery.
Ryan, for his part, realizes that his first few blows have struck only the top of Ventura's head, and at one point decides to try to size Ventura up to take a shot at his face.
Seems like it worked, since Ventura comes away from the beating testing to see whether he has a fat lip.
Any trained fighters here want to weigh in with what Ventura/Ryan did wrong? Clearly Ventura getting himself into a headlock was not a desirable outcome from his perspective. What should he have done to free himself from it? And Ryan was the victor, but what could he have done differently to impress the judges more?
That, or a tiny Eddie Murphy controlling him. Come to think of it...maybe CC is in Sherman Klump mode, and needs to take a performance enhancer to switch to Buddy Love.
That would be a long trip. The would push him into the Harlem River, though getting across the Deegan would be tricky.
With the caveat that my fight training has been largely humorous to those that have witnessed it I will give a Muay Thai slant. It has been a while since I have seen the video and I cannot see it at my current location so I am going from a hazy memory...
The headlock, while likely a fail-safe go-to move for a schoolyard bully, is dangerous to employ. When you are in a headlock your opponent is usually beside you and you can reach down grab a leg while pushing one direction and you can have your tormentor down on the ground beneath you.
Rather than go for the headlock Ryan should have put his hands behind Venturas neck while standing across from him (a double collar or Muay Thai clinch) and pulled down hard in the direction of his upcoming knee. He should do this at least twice. The third time Ryan would look to do the same he would be best to switch his hands around to a guillotine (a reverse headlock when you are facing the opposite way than your opponent). From this position Ryan is safe from being taken down and if he chooses to stand up straight on his tip toes Ventura will be asleep very shortly.
Robin's big mistake was thinking his teammates were going to stop him in time.
Yeah, looking at the tape, it's pretty clear Ventura didn't REALLY want to fight, but once you start to charge the mound you have to finish or else you'll wind up looking like a big wuss. Unfortunately, Nolan Ryan was on the mound and he was perfectly happy throwing down fisticuffs. Like most fights between untrained guys of roughly the same size, the guy who wants to fight more wins.
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