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Tuesday, March 06, 2012

Charlie Sheen talks baseball with Joe Buck and Tim McKernan

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While on the new Buck and McKernan Show with Joe Buck and Tim McKernan for nearly 25 minutes, Sheen told Buck that he teared up listening to Buck’s call on David Freese’s walk-off home run in Game 6 of the World Series.

Sheen said on the show, which is having a test run this week on KFNS (590 AM) from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m. and is also available at insidestl.com: “I’ve gotta tell you also, Joe, I was in Minnesota for Game 6 ’91. I was there. And if I’m not mistaken, you honored your father with the Freese walk off, the same call. It was so cool. I had tears. I was like he’s been waiting 20 years to do that you know…”

Buck answered: “It was almost 20 years to the day and anybody who asks me about it and why I did it, I did it for my mom who was watching and hanging on every word and misses my dad like crazy. It’s in St. Louis. St. Louis kid David Freese hits the home run so it just fit. And I’m not going to be a Jack Buck cover band and do his hits…I’m just going to leave well enough alone and that will be that.”

Expounding further on his baseball fandom—which he referred to as his religion—Sheen said: “That’s the greatest game ever played, by the way. I think it’s just this much better than Game 6 (in) ’75.”

Repoz Posted: March 06, 2012 at 01:11 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: March 06, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4075054)
People who need to go away:

1) Charlie Sheen
2) Joe Buck

I don't know this McKernan fellow so he can stay, but he's on a short leash.
   2. Addison Russell T. Davies (chris h.) Posted: March 06, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4075248)
When your career path goes from "lead actor on the highest-ratings sitcom on TV" to "being interviewed by Joe Buck on AM radio," I think that "go away" is not far off in the distance.
   3. Demitri Krotchliknioff Posted: March 06, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4075386)
I suspect that the older Charlie Sheen would love to be a younger Jason Giambi for a day. Still get the hookers and the booze. But, you also get to rake like an All-Star for a day too.
   4. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: March 06, 2012 at 04:55 PM (#4075392)
Just when I thought St. Louis sports talk radio couldn't get more annoying...
   5. MikeTorrez Posted: March 06, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4075424)
Buck's actually gotten better of late (ducks)
   6. Tippecanoe Posted: March 06, 2012 at 05:40 PM (#4075427)
Shouldn't Sheen be a Detroit fan? He has Tiger Blood, after all.
   7. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 06, 2012 at 06:30 PM (#4075459)
Pardon me while I stand up and take a piss on Joe Buck's call. It was, and is, terrible. A 100% canned callback that he'd already stolen before, to announce David Ortiz's 2004 ALCS game-winner. And a "Family Guy"-level reference that only distracted from the ACTUAL moment to celebrate Joe Buck's supposed cleverness. Go lazy, folks! Go lazy!
   8. Tippecanoe Posted: March 06, 2012 at 08:25 PM (#4075532)
I liked the call. The perfect parallel situation, almost 20 years to the night later. Joe Buck's dad is my all time favorite broadcaster. And the call was not 'stolen', it was inherited.
   9. RollingWave Posted: March 06, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4075567)
the California Penal league with Sheen and Dykstra should be quite awesome!
   10. Bourbon Samurai is disturbed by bagel developments Posted: March 06, 2012 at 09:58 PM (#4075578)
Joe Buck sucks, but that was a hell of a game, that game six.
   11. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 06, 2012 at 10:16 PM (#4075585)
And the call was not 'stolen', it was inherited.

chromosome 17, IIRC

EDIT: 17p24
   12. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 07, 2012 at 12:56 AM (#4075650)
Joe Buck sucks, but that was a hell of a game, that game six.

Yup. It's exactly why good announcing would have uniquely reflected that game, as opposed to inauthentically stepping on the climax with a rap sample from Buck Daddy. Jack Buck's most famous calls are remembered today because they rose to the occasions in organic, colloquial ways. He wasn't just ripping off old Curt Gowdy lines with pre-orchestrated intent. Which is one reason why Jack was who he was and why Joe is Frank Sinatra, Jr.

The perfect parallel situation, almost 20 years to the night later.

How about the glorious "almost 13 years to the night later" situation, when Joe Buck used the exact same line? Truly a thrice-in-a-lifetime moment, and counting.
   13. LionoftheSenate (Brewers v A's World Series) Posted: March 07, 2012 at 03:31 AM (#4075662)
Can't disagree with anything GB says in #12
   14. Tippecanoe Posted: March 07, 2012 at 08:36 AM (#4075701)
Ripping the broadcast team is among the most tired and hackneyed of AM sports talk radio call-in garbage. On this site it is even worse, because so many other threads make it clear that it can be better.
   15. Lassus Posted: March 07, 2012 at 09:09 AM (#4075722)
Ripping the broadcast team is among the most tired and hackneyed of AM sports talk radio call-in garbage. On this site it is even worse, because so many other threads make it clear that it can be better.

There isn't much you can do to address the fact that Buck has now used his father's signature call more than his father did.
   16. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: March 07, 2012 at 10:18 AM (#4075758)
A middle-ground possibility: Use of the Jack Buck call was fine under the circumstances, but it still sucked because Joe Buck was the announcer using it.
   17. Tippecanoe Posted: March 07, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4075814)
Discussion of announcers always just devolves into reflexive bashing.

Correct groupthink: "Joe Buck Sucks"
Taboo: "Joe Buck has perfect pacing, is polished, accurate, and smooth, but is ultimately bland, characterless, and utilizes the same delivery for Fox Promos as for the helmet catch."

Correct groupthink: "I hate Tim McCarver"
Taboo: "McCarver is distinctive, with strengths in identifying alternative strategies that the manager could choose to employ. But he rambles, he tries overhard to be clever or (worse)cute, and his high-level analysis is sometimes pitiful ("walks clog the bases").
   18. Lassus Posted: March 07, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4075828)
Discussion of announcers always just devolves into reflexive bashing.

But you still haven't answered the legitimate non-bash criticism of Buck in this case, his repeated reduction of his father's iconic call.

And BTW, I've always liked McCarver.
   19. Nasty Nate Posted: March 07, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4075830)
I think 2011 Game 6 deserved something bigger than a reprise of the 1991 thing. It was a much weirder, wilder, and improbable game that it should have gotten it's own thing.

Re: #17, I guess you don't read this site much, because there have been plenty of discussion on Buck that is exactly like your supposedly "taboo" ones, and there have even been plenty of discussions about him that have been even more developed, measured, and subtle.
   20. The Non-Catching Molina (sjs1959) Posted: March 07, 2012 at 11:32 AM (#4075844)
#NotWinning
   21. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: March 07, 2012 at 11:43 AM (#4075848)
Charlie Sheen? What is this, 2011?
   22. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: March 07, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4075853)
17: Bah. I appreciate that Buck has some technical strengths. I dislike the flippant and above-it-all smugness that he presents on baseball telecasts. By the fifth inning, it sounds like he doesn't want to be there anymore and that it's some real burden to him that he's been assigned to call the game.
   23. Tippecanoe Posted: March 07, 2012 at 12:23 PM (#4075887)
#19
Good to know. Using the term "Taboo" was obviously hyperbole; feel free to replace it with "contrarian", which is what even very measured praise for Joe Buck (or Joe Morgan) amounts to around here (see #5 above). I'm neutral on Joe Buck, and find the rampant nepotism in sprotscasting to be...what? Un-American, I guess.

#18
The criticism sounds legit. I admit that I did not hear the Ortiz one, so I heard the 2011 game 6 "tomorrow night" call exactly 2 decades after hearing the first one. So, for me, a good experience. Was the 2004 call really just the same --ball in flight for 'We'll see you', lands at "tomorrow night"?
   24. WillYoung Posted: March 07, 2012 at 12:37 PM (#4075905)
The Joe Buck call annoyed me as a Twins fan, but I thought Tim McCarver (for once) had the perfect call: "What just happened?!" Somehow, in just three words, McCarver (of all people) compltely summed up the final few innings.
   25. Nasty Nate Posted: March 07, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4075916)
Was the 2004 call really just the same --ball in flight for 'We'll see you', lands at "tomorrow night"?


If I am remembering correctly, it was when David Ortiz won ALCS game 4 with a homer after midnight to keep the Sox alive, and Buck said something like "we'll see you later tonight." So it was not the exact same thing, but more of an adaptation.

I do agree that sometimes anti-announcer sentiment is kneejerk and counter-productive. If the public only complained about a few announcers, the powers-that-be would be more likely to take the complaints seriously.

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