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Thursday, September 18, 2003

Cheers, Thursday, September 18

8:55 in the morning and already, I need a drink.  Who’s with me?

Jim Furtado Posted: September 18, 2003 at 12:55 PM | 85 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Mirabelli Dictu (Chris McClinch) Posted: September 18, 2003 at 01:19 PM (#330388)
Dwight Gooden/Gary Sheffield.
   2. Mirabelli Dictu (Chris McClinch) Posted: September 18, 2003 at 01:20 PM (#330389)
Bruce M-

Forced reliance on a single stat is a crypto-fascist demand.
   3. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: September 18, 2003 at 01:27 PM (#330393)
(#2) Barry Bonds/Reggie Jackson, cousins
   4. Mike Posted: September 18, 2003 at 01:32 PM (#330397)
Why isn'y Bobby Hill playing? Reboulet gets more AB's. Is this to secure 4th place in the division?
   5. Eric Posted: September 18, 2003 at 01:34 PM (#330398)
Chances are, upwards of 30 uncles are major league baseball managers, Jon.
   6. Mirabelli Dictu (Chris McClinch) Posted: September 18, 2003 at 01:38 PM (#330399)
Bangkok9-

Post 6 was a joke. I'm aware that there's no such thing as crypto-fascism. Unlike most who toss the word "fascism" around, I'm also aware that its popular usage has absolutely nothing to do with its historic meaning.
   7. Fadeaway: The Baseball History Podcast Posted: September 18, 2003 at 01:50 PM (#330402)
Matt Williams' grandfather Bert Griffith played for the Dodgers in the 1920s.

Bobby Valentine is Ralph Branca's son-in-law.

Joe Cronin was Clark Griffith's son-in-law.

Spaceman Bill Lee's aunt Annabel Lee (yes, really) played in the AAGPBL.

So did Casey Candaele's mom.

Todd Hollandsworth and Matt Herges are brothers-in-law.

Greg and Big Mo are distant cousins, I think.
   8. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: September 18, 2003 at 01:52 PM (#330403)
Stupid computer question:

How do I quote something from an article that's being linked to w/out completely re-writing the passage myself? The only way I know how to cut & paste is Cntl-C & Cntl-V, but that doesn't work for me when going from one window to another.
   9. Buckyburgh Posted: September 18, 2003 at 01:55 PM (#330404)
Hill's got a bad back.Although the condition isn't thought to be serious,he's been shut down.
   10. James B. Posted: September 18, 2003 at 01:56 PM (#330405)
So you are the Giants on 9/29 and you are half a game back of the Braves. Do you use your best available starter and players to try and beat the Mets and get home field advantage. Or do you rest all your regulars and play September call ups?
   11. Fadeaway: The Baseball History Podcast Posted: September 18, 2003 at 01:57 PM (#330406)
Chris, that's pretty much the standard way to do it. Don't know why it's not working for you. You can also pull down the "Edit" menu and try the same thing, but if C & V aren't working, that probably won't either.
   12. Shredder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 01:59 PM (#330408)
Chris,

Hilight the text. Right click. Select copy. Go where you need to go. Right click where you'd like to past the text. Select paste. Then you can do cool things, like post the Onion's review of the new Spiritualized CD to a baseball website. See:

Since his departure from the influential Spacemen 3, Jason Pierce has piloted Spiritualized's five studio albums through many drugged-out courses, from woozy psychedelia to fuzz-bomb garage rock, each informed by gospel, the blues, and a compelling cavalcade of narcotic and spiritual baggage. On 2001's Let It Come Down, grandiose arrangements battled Pierce's uninspired lyrics for attention, but on Amazing Grace?, the battle arrives in the form of a musical split personality. The surprisingly eloquent "Hold On," the soothing "Oh Baby," and the soul-searching "Lord Let It Rain On Me" find Pierce employing variations on the warm, subtly intricate approach he brought to 1997's outstanding Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space. But Amazing Grace? keeps steering the conversation back to chugging, interchangeable garage-rock that hits the genre signifiers?fuzz, feedback, Farfisa?with bloodless, anonymous precision. The album never establishes a cohesive chemistry after the opening blast of "This Little Life Of Mine" and "She Kissed Me (It Felt Like A Hit)" fades away and gives way to the first of many drastic tonal shifts. At its best, Amazing Grace? finds Pierce and his many supporting players piecing their disparate moods and sounds into moments of catharsis only Spiritualized could create. But too often, those ingredients are doled out separately, as the album jerks through jarringly integrated fragments that should have run together seamlessly. ?Stephen Thompson
   13. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: September 18, 2003 at 02:13 PM (#330411)
This is only a test:

"He cut all the grass before departing," Lee Kyang Ja, his older sister, said with surprise today, coming upon the site after climbing a dirt road behind the farm. On Wednesday in Canc?n, Mexico, Mr. Lee, a 55-year-old farm union leader, scaled a barricade outside a meeting of the World Trade Organization and then fatally plunged his old Swiss Army knife into his heart."

Huh. Thanks Shredder - it worked! Don't really know what the story's about, don't really care. Just trying to see if I could get it to work.
   14. Mike Posted: September 18, 2003 at 02:20 PM (#330412)
Thanks Buckyburgh, I didn't know that. I thought it was some Pirate bizarro thing.
   15. Matthew Rich Posted: September 18, 2003 at 02:43 PM (#330415)
Spiritualized's live album ("Live at the Royal Albert" or something like that) is in my top 5 albums of all time.

And don't forget that the other guys from Spacemen 3 put out a couple of pretty decent albums as The Darkside. "Melomania" is especially good.
   16. Buckyburgh Posted: September 18, 2003 at 02:47 PM (#330416)
Mike-
   17. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:00 PM (#330419)
Homepage link to a fan dying at Pac Bell Park today (or yesterday depending on where you live.)

The man attempted to climb down the outside of the wall to retrieve something he dropped onto the walkway 24 feet below during the eighth inning Wednesday night, according to witnesses.

Disturbing season, with some morbid silver linings:
   18. Matthew Rich Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:02 PM (#330420)
To be honest, I think all of their studio stuff is kind of weak, including "Ladies and Gentlemen...". I just don't think that sort of studio precision is very flattering to Pierce's songwriting style -- he sounds totally different when he's just playing balls-out onstage and laying his soul bare for the audience.
   19. Shredder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:05 PM (#330422)
Haven't seen them live yet. The studio work that I'm familiar with (the last three albums) is hot and cold in my opinion. The new album is fun to listen to, but it really doesn't sound that different from the last two. "She Kissed Me (and it Felt Like a Hit)" sounds a lot like "Electricty" and "On Fire" and "the 12 Steps". Hope to see them next month at the Vic, though.

The new Beulah album came out the same day as "Amazing Grace" and I've probably been listening to that a little more lately. Coincidentally, they play here about a day or two after Spiritualized.
   20. Matthew Rich Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:12 PM (#330423)
Any other Primates going to Comiskey tomorrow night (Sox vs. KC) or this coming Tuesday night (Sox vs. NYY)?
   21. Dolf Lucky Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:13 PM (#330424)
Juan Marichal is Jose Rijo's father-in-law. Or he was. I'm not sure if such a title is revocable.
   22. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:15 PM (#330426)
(#22) - James B.: So you are the Giants on 9/29 and you are half a game back of the Braves. Do you use your best available starter and players to try and beat the Mets and get home field advantage. Or do you rest all your regulars and play September call ups?
   23. Shredder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:19 PM (#330427)
I'll probably be at the Sox-KC game on Sunday, Matthew.

And happy birthday.
   24. Matthew Rich Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:24 PM (#330429)
Shredder, we can't keep not meeting like this.

Any chance you'll be at the Jay Farrar show at the Metro next Friday?
   25. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:26 PM (#330430)
C&P :

Goosnargh is located close to Beacon Fell Country Park, and is ideally situated for visitors who wish to combine Sunday worship with a walk in the countryside. There are some splendid walks with views of the Bowland Hills.
   26. Shredder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:36 PM (#330433)
No, Matthew. I'm not really familiar with Jay Farrar. Right now, the only shows I plan on attending in the immediate future are BRMC on the 27th, then Spiritualized, Beulah, and Echo and the Bunnymen are all in town at the end of October (although not in the same show).
   27. Matthew Rich Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:45 PM (#330437)
At the least, we should pick a bar for a Chicago Primate get-together to watch some playoff games.

On a totally unrelated note, I'd like to point out just how young the Indians are this season. In yesterday's game against KC (which they won, 9-1) every single starting position player was rookie-eligible. I just don't think people realize how inexperienced that team is.
   28. RickG Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:49 PM (#330438)
Search engines do make this too easy, I think...

www.manythings.org/voa/03/030127dr_t.htm

But what I want to know is, why were you looking at this site? Studying cholera or alternative uses for Indian Dress?
   29. Steve Treder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:53 PM (#330441)
"Moises Alou and Mel Rojas are cousins. I always thought that Mel was Cookie Rojas's son."

"Alou" is not actually Felipe's last name, "Rojas" is ... Alou is his mother's maiden name, which Latin people often carry as part of their name. But there was a mixup with his visa when Felipe first came to the US, or something, and everyone in the US thought he was "Felipe Alou" rather than "Felipe Rojas", so he just went with it, and his brothers followed suit.

I thought everybody knew that story.
   30. Mark Field Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:54 PM (#330442)
Bangkok9:

If Philly or the Phish win the wildcard, the Giants play them whether they have the best record or not. Only if the Cubs win the wildcard would your suggestion work, and then the Giants would play Houston.
   31. scotto Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:56 PM (#330443)
A Chicago Primate get together sounds like a great idea. As a South Sider I'd offer Jak's Tap near the UIC campus as a good centrally located bar. It's owned by the same folks who own Village Tap in Roscoe Village. I've always argued that they've got the best beer selection of any bar in Chicago and the food is decent too.
   32. Steve Treder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 03:58 PM (#330445)
"Only if the Cubs win the wildcard would your suggestion work, and then the Giants would play Houston."

Not if the Braves have the best record, right? In that case the Braves would play the wildcard team (Cubs), and the Giants would play the division winner (Astros).
   33. True Blue n/k/a "DeJesusFreak" Posted: September 18, 2003 at 04:04 PM (#330446)
Why can't the Cubs be the division winner and the Astros the wildcard team? :-)
   34. Steve Treder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 04:06 PM (#330447)
"The more I learn about baseball history, the more I know I don't know."

Surely you knew this one ...

Why does "Pedro Oliva" go by the nickname of "Tony" -- usually a nickname for "Antonio" or "Atanasio"?

Because Pedro Oliva's brother's name was Tony, and he used his brother's visa to get into the US from Cuba (or something like that), and just went by "Tony" for long enough that he finally just figured he might as well be called "Tony" in the US.

Other baseball family things ...

Joe Cronin was Clark Griffith's son-in-law, and apparently Griffith always felt bad that he had sold Cronin away for $$$ in the 1930s. So, later, when other Griffith family members were on the team -- another son-in-law, pitcher Joe Haynes, and a nephew, infielder Sherry Robertson, they were pretty close to Senators-for-life, which explains (especially in Haynes' case) why they were kept on the Senators' roster year after year, despite sometimes wretched performance.

That, and the Griffith family was pretty nutty.
   35. Shredder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 04:11 PM (#330448)
Re: Chicago get togethers, I would opt for Burwood Tap, but only for the selfish reason that it's about a half block from my apartment. Other than that, I don't really care, although Jak's Tap is a little far for an LP resident (but that's just me being selfish again). Kendall's on Lincoln has a good number of big screens to watch games. I can't remember the TV arrangements at Jak's Tap.

Buddha and I can often be found at Joe's on Weed watching NFL games on Sundays.
   36. Mark Field Posted: September 18, 2003 at 04:15 PM (#330450)
Steve:

Bangkok9 suggested (#43) that the Giants might have an incentive to lose to the Mets in order to avoid the Cubs (as division winners) and play the Phils or Marlins as the wildcard team. They don't need to do that -- if the Phils or Marlins are the WC, the Giants play them no matter what because the Braves can't play a team from their own division in the first round.

If the Cubs win the wildcard, then it might make sense for the Giants to lose, so I think you and I agree on this.
   37. Matthew Rich Posted: September 18, 2003 at 04:21 PM (#330453)
I live pretty far north (Edgewater), so UIC is a bit of a hike for me. Lincoln Park might actually be pretty central for those of us on the north side.
   38. Steve Treder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 04:25 PM (#330455)
"If the Cubs win the wildcard, then it might make sense for the Giants to lose, so I think you and I agree on this."

Right, exactly, that was the point I was obliquely attempting to make.

"Isn't there a current player whose mother was an Olympic medal winner?"

I don't know who that is ... but I thought Bobby Bonds' aunt (so therefore Barry's great-aunt) was an Olympic champ sprinter.

Let's see ... Bobby Tolan's uncle was Eddie Tolan, a sprinting star. Ollie Brown's brother was Willie Brown, as star DB for the Raiders. Alex Johnson's cousin was a star NFL running back whose name escapes me right now.

Randy Moffitt's sister is Billie Jean King ...
   39. Rusty Priske Posted: September 18, 2003 at 04:29 PM (#330457)
Isn't Ed Sprague's wife an Olympic medallist?
   40. Shredder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 04:33 PM (#330458)
Umm, I didn't mean that we'd be at Joe's, watching football, while on weed. Joe's bar on Weed Street. See homepage.

Unless Jr. Primate was distressed that we watch football. For the record, I just go to hang out, while Buddha watches the Lions, and while we both make of the crazy lady wearing the Cowboys jersey. I just go for the Chicken tenders.
   41. fracas' hope springs eternal Posted: September 18, 2003 at 04:40 PM (#330461)
Who was the scout who signed Joe Cronin? He not only evaluated him as a ballplayer, he got to know Cronin well enough to tell Clark Griffith's daughter, "Millie, I just found you a husband."

And he was right!
   42. Steve Treder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 04:46 PM (#330462)
Aren't Jose Cardenal and Bert Campaneris cousins?
   43. Fadeaway: The Baseball History Podcast Posted: September 18, 2003 at 04:51 PM (#330465)
Todd Zeile and Ed Sprague Jr. are both married to Olympic medalists, I think.

And of course there's Mack Robinson.
   44. Matthew Rich Posted: September 18, 2003 at 05:30 PM (#330471)
Ctrl-C Ctrl-V:

$sql = "SELECT surname, age FROM employees";
   45. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: September 18, 2003 at 05:40 PM (#330472)
Shredder, what's your opinion on the new Beulah album?

I'm a big Beulah fan, but it's really disappointing me. Yes, it's supposed to be "deeper," but so far, what I get is one intro song, one coda, one mangled remake of one of my favorite songs, leaving 7 songs, of which 3 aren't worth talking about, 2 are decent, 1 good, and only 1 with any of that characteristic Beulah greatness I've been spoiled into expecting. I mean, yeah, still worth the money, and I'm looking forward to the concert, but nowhere near the level of _Heartstrings_ or _Coast_.
   46. Shredder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 05:51 PM (#330475)
one mangled remake of one of my favorite songs

Is that "Waiting for Sunset"? What is that on? I downloaded it, but I can't find how and when it was originally released, but when I heard the song on the new album, I thought that sounded familiar, and then confirmed that suspicion.

I like it, but not nearly as much as Coast. At least not yet. But Coast is a really great album, in my opinion. One of my favorites out of everything I own.
   47. scotto Posted: September 18, 2003 at 06:09 PM (#330476)
Since so many of these Cheers threads seem to end up name-checking Shredder's music collection, I'm thinking a ranked posting (using 'Listen Shares' maybe) from Shredder might be in order. Or maybe a Cheers thread that has everyone submit ranked peak and career values CDs, or something like it.

On another topic I know that LP to W. Loop is a pain, but HP to LP is an even bigger nuisance. Jak's has about 5 regular size TVs scattered around the place, no big screens. I miss it because I used to stop there often and there are no really good bars in my neighborhood. Plus it is sort of central. On the other hand they no longer have the most beautiful bartender that I've ever seen working there, so maybe I don't miss it so much.
   48. Shredder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 06:13 PM (#330477)
And what the hell is post#88?
   49. fracas' hope springs eternal Posted: September 18, 2003 at 06:23 PM (#330481)
I believe it means that the award should go to the player who, if he was reduced to his component ingredients, could be sold to a chemical supply house for the highest amount.

But is Mo Vaughn eligible, seeing as he's on the disabled list?

Shredder, I'm assuming #88 is one of the "where did I cut and paste this from?" entries, although I suppose it could just be a random mistake. Speaking of those entries, I really enjoyed Matthew Elmslie's, #87.
   50. Matthew Rich Posted: September 18, 2003 at 06:28 PM (#330482)
Yes, #88 is a cut-n-paste entry. From an article about a database abstraction class library in PHP.
   51. Toolsy McClutch Posted: September 18, 2003 at 06:28 PM (#330483)
I was flipping through last month's GQ and read an article on bullys that featured Steve Kline pretty prominently. Anyone else catch that? And find it wholly bizarre?
   52. Basha Posted: September 18, 2003 at 06:30 PM (#330485)
Brokenshell 4-H Light Horse Club Achievement Day, August 17, 2003, Brokenshell
   53. Mike Posted: September 18, 2003 at 06:44 PM (#330490)
Well, this will probably get lost here at this point and I'm sure it has probably been covered at some point...I was wondering if anyone knows what is going on now with Total Baseball. Any chance we are going to see an updated encyclopedia sometime soon (I haven't heard anything since the assets when up for auction).

Thanks
   54. Matthew Rich Posted: September 18, 2003 at 06:45 PM (#330491)
Miguel Cabrera just homered off Kevin Millwood. 4-3 Marlins, top of the 6th. See you all in Game Chatter!
   55. Bunny Vincennes Posted: September 18, 2003 at 07:59 PM (#330494)
1). What is the aformentioned "Lab Notes" thread?

2). Indie rock guys do nothing but discuss how cool their music is. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

3). I already had a beer for lunch and a shot of Jager.
   56. BrandonMO (U L) Posted: September 18, 2003 at 08:03 PM (#330495)
When it comes to relations.. I know relatives of Albert Pujols and Laynce Nix.

I'm not close to being related to anybody famous, unless the boxer who died after fighting Primo Carnera is famous.
   57. Basha Posted: September 18, 2003 at 08:08 PM (#330496)
U L

You're related to Ernie Schaaf? That's cool.
   58. Basha Posted: September 18, 2003 at 08:11 PM (#330498)
Looks like tina to me.
   59. Basha Posted: September 18, 2003 at 08:14 PM (#330500)
No famous relatives for me.

I had lunch with Mike Tyson once, though.
   60. Bunny Vincennes Posted: September 18, 2003 at 08:30 PM (#330503)
JonDaly,

That is a great article, and he looks like my ex-girlfriends friends.
   61. BrandonMO (U L) Posted: September 18, 2003 at 08:31 PM (#330504)
Basha..

I have no clue what the relation is.. but we've narrowed it to 'Ernie lived in New Jersey and he was German, and so were some of our relatives also named Schaaf'
   62. BrandonMO (U L) Posted: September 18, 2003 at 08:48 PM (#330507)
Have any NCAA baseball coaches moves on to manage in the Majors?

if not, why?
   63. Bunny Vincennes Posted: September 18, 2003 at 08:50 PM (#330508)
Speaking of Chicago bars, I think I might be in town this weekend. I usually stop in at Tavern on Rush, and have cigars and martinis at the Tea Room at the Four Seasons. Great bartender there.

Anybody know if the Dunhill store on Oak closed? Its no longer listed as a US location. Any help?
   64. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: September 18, 2003 at 08:52 PM (#330509)
Is that "Waiting for Sunset"? What is that on?

Yeah. Waiting for Sunset is a b-side off, uh ... Emma Blowgun's Last Stand? I forget.

It totally rules. Then they went and took out all the kickass music and made it about Jesus.
   65. Floyd Thursby Posted: September 18, 2003 at 08:57 PM (#330513)
Miles, the leader of Beulah, is a huge SF Giants fan.

I could tell from his reworked lyrics to "Gene Autry":

<i>Dear Gene Autry
   66. Shredder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 09:02 PM (#330514)
I'll have to wear my Angels jersey to the Beulah show.

Jack, I don't know much about cigar bars, but I'm pretty sure one just opened up right around the corner from me on Clark, just north of Wrightwood and just south of Weiner's Circle.
   67. Bunny Vincennes Posted: September 18, 2003 at 09:07 PM (#330515)
Shredder,

Have you been to Bin 37? Suppose to have a great wine/port (obviously) selection. I've heard rumors of a cigar room there. I miss Brigsby & Keruthers, for a) the fine clothing and b) the cigar room upstairs. I watched a lot of the '96 Final Four there.
   68. True Blue n/k/a "DeJesusFreak" Posted: September 18, 2003 at 09:24 PM (#330519)
Oops -- it's Bin 36.
   69. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: September 18, 2003 at 09:35 PM (#330521)
Kevin, you're absolutely right about the Joe Morgan article. Not only does it not suck, it's pretty good. It's well thought out and he gives a reason for every one of his choices. I agree with most of it, although he doesn't have to mention that he used to play that many times.

I live right by the Village Tap and agree that the food is excellent.

Regarding relatives, I think it's wierd that Jim Wolf has umped for a game that Randy Wolf has played in.
   70. Flynn Posted: September 18, 2003 at 09:38 PM (#330523)
if you're a Giants fan and at home right now, the Brian Johnson game is on ESPN Classic.
   71. Bunny Vincennes Posted: September 18, 2003 at 09:38 PM (#330524)
Yep, Bin 36. Brain/fingers not working together today.
   72. JMM Posted: September 18, 2003 at 09:49 PM (#330526)
Wasn't Dick Howser the coach at Florida State before managing the Yankees and Royals?
   73. Steve Treder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 09:49 PM (#330527)
"I think it's wierd that Jim Wolf has umped for a game that Randy Wolf has played in."

Bill Haller once umped a game that Tom Haller caught.
   74. True Blue n/k/a "DeJesusFreak" Posted: September 18, 2003 at 09:51 PM (#330528)
"The new Joe Morgan article does not suck. Discuss."

-- How about the fact that when voting on the MVP, he says "I don't see the MVP as a player-of-the-year award," yet later notes "For the Cy Young award, I don't factor in a team's performance, because I see it as a best pitcher or pitcher-of-the-year award."
   75. Richie Posted: September 18, 2003 at 09:52 PM (#330529)
What's with the place-names in Pennsylvania?

Blue Balls, PA
   76. Fadeaway: The Baseball History Podcast Posted: September 18, 2003 at 09:55 PM (#330530)
True Blue -
   77. True Blue n/k/a "DeJesusFreak" Posted: September 18, 2003 at 10:24 PM (#330533)
"They're two different awards. Are they not allowed to have two different sets of criteria?"

-- Sure they are allowed and quite apparently do use different criteria. Nevertheless, regardless of what or how you would characterize the Hank Aaron Award, there is no viable, commonly accepted award for the best hitter other than the MVP. Why? Why is it that only baseball has to deal with this annual conundrum?
   78. Richie Posted: September 18, 2003 at 10:29 PM (#330536)
That's "Tunkhannock". How do you come to know about it?

I have a customer there. I just ran across the name, and that's what inspired me to post about it.
   79. Damon Rutherford Posted: September 18, 2003 at 10:33 PM (#330537)
A street in West Lafayette, IN is named Tuckaho. You can imagine how often high school kids change the first letter on the street signs.
   80. Shredder Posted: September 18, 2003 at 11:11 PM (#330540)
Grandaddy is touring with the Super Furries, but they're skipping Chicago. I'm pretty pissed about that.

Ticket prices are still pretty reasonable. Almost always between $10 and $20. And if you live in the city, the venues are close enough that you don't have to pay ticketbastard.
   81. BrandonMO (U L) Posted: September 18, 2003 at 11:55 PM (#330545)
What's stopping AAA baseball from coming back to Hawaii?

I figure they could make a nice stadium and take advantage of the climate. Maybe a river or moat around the stadium and people cross over on small bridges.

And you can get Hormel to bring in Spam for the fans too.

Also, more stadiums need closed captioning like Enron Field (Sorry, that's what I'll call it)
   82. BrandonMO (U L) Posted: September 19, 2003 at 12:33 AM (#330547)
I'd imagine that they'd have long homestands, but the PCL teams that would have problems with the flights are the midwestern PCL teams. The California teams could make it over, I'd think
   83. Repoz Posted: September 19, 2003 at 12:58 AM (#330548)
Shredder....Those old war horses the Real Kids will be playing Maxwells next week....opening will be retro krebs The Reigning Sound and The Embrooks ......must find my low cons
   84. Shredder Posted: September 19, 2003 at 01:59 AM (#330552)
C'mon, Repoz, you know I can't keep up with you. House of Freaks and Dancing Hoods are about as obscure as I get.
   85. jwb Posted: September 19, 2003 at 03:36 PM (#330556)
Calvin24, I've been to Grand Turk a few times but I have not seen a television there.

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