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Thursday, March 06, 2014
Chelsea Handler Rips A-Rod, Calls Him ‘Disgusting,’ ‘Gross,’ And ‘A Buffoon’
Woke up, it was a Chelsea dagger…
Handler said on “The Howard Stern Show” on Wednesday that Rodriguez recently approached the actress and asked, “Chelsea, why are you gonna make fun of me all the time?”
Handler, as expected, wasn’t shy about telling the truth.
“Get away from me, I think you’re disgusting,” the author told A-Rod.
She also told the slugger that he’s “gross.” And it didn’t end there.
The three-time American League MVP said, “Why am I gross?” Handler told Stern. ”We got off on the wrong foot. Why am I gross? I read all your books. I’m a big fan.”
She wasn’t flattered by the compliment. Her response?
“I go, ‘Well I don’t know why you’re a big fan,’” Handler told Stern. ”‘I think you’re a f—ing a–hole.’”
When asked by Stern why the writer and producer despises the 38-year-old so much, her answer was simple.
“Just the way he conducts himself,” Handler said. “He’s got a centaur of himself in his bedroom. Yeah, him and a horse, combined as one person … Plus he dates all these girls, he just sleeps around. I don’t like guys who cheat on their girlfriends, you know? I’m not into that.”
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But Underdog Lady sees nothing wrong with becoming a hero by taking a super energy pill.
Its not hard to figure out. Jay Leno was #1 in the late night ratings. Jeff Dunham is the most popular stand up comedian on tour. Larry the Cable Guy is a thing. People like crap, always have, always will.
Chelsea Handler was the most recent interviewee in the NY Times Book Review. Among her favorite authors she listed Bukowski, Wodehouse and Alexander Pope. She also said that she owns a copy of every Paris Review issue.
Which apparently are all about getting drunk and getting laid (not necessarily in that order)
never saw them mate
Whores always hate sluts, they are giving away what the whore is trying to sell.
No idea why anyone would care what she thinks about A-Rod, though.
she's an unapologetic, in your face total c-word. the definition of "mean grrl" only older, uglier and drunker. and she got no business screeching about sleeping around neither
oh i doubt it
there are LOTS of males who will have sex with about ANYTHING female who is even slightly better looking than roseann barr
I confess - I think Dunham is funny.
- he's from honduras and his mother is mexican
close enough
To put it crudely, the expression in the Duke frat houses BITD used to be "anything with hair and a hole".
I'm saying I think she talks up her sexual prowess more than she probably engages with it in reality.
Meh. Point is, most comedians have an act or persona that doesn't necessarily reflect who they really are, just like any other actor or entertainer.
I do hate to be 'that guy' -- but her schtick is basically the same schtick that an absolute crap-ton of male 'personalities' employ, employ successfully, and even occasionally get tagged as the 'lovable rogue'. I mean - I'm not making a comparison of literary chops here, but even beyond modern pop culture and just thinking about the cult of personality around them - is she all that different than say... Ernest Hemingway? I mean hunting the plains of Africa and or carousing the revolutionary cities of Spain vs doing the same in Manhattan isn't really all that different in my mind.
Of course, you could always say that Hemingway had some serious talent as a storyteller and writer, while Handler is a really more of hack columnist who got a TV show... I don't know that I'd agree the gulf is that huge, but whatevers...
Isn't she closer to the Dice Man?
And I like Leno in a Top-40 radio kind of way.
This was basically my thoughts on her.
I wouldn't say that. Maybe more of an Anthony Jeselnik (who I kinda like, but wears thin after a bit). They both revel in the "joke because I said something that was surprisingly offensive or outrageous", then preen about it for a minute like "look what I said!". She's very deadpan about it - like when she gets a reaction she's like 'what did I say that's so outrageous?". Whereas Clay was pretty upfront that he was saying filthy stuff.
She's in the same vein as Sarah Silverman and Whitney Cummings, although less interesting or clever as those two.
That's interesting. My opinion is the exact opposite. I stopped watching Stewart because his commentary seemed to be getting too mean, whereas Colbert seemed like a really nice guy who was a lot more subtle in his jabs.
I agree, but there are a lot of male comics like this too (aside from the unfunny part), and I don't think they ever called out in the same way do they? Jeselnik, Marc Maron, Bill Burr come to mind. Don Rickles made an entire career out of it.
If you don't think she's funny that's fine (I don't either), but if she's mean, well half the stand up comics working today are pretty mean. My guess is if you're a female comic that doesn't want to get stuck playing to female-only audiences, you have to be edgy, mean, and crass to get the boys to watch (Silverman, Cummings, Lisa Lampanelli, etc.)
Because he's not playing himself. The 'elf' of course is the only movie of his enjoyed, precisely because he didn't pick a target to mock by acting like an exaggerated version of them. I just don't like it when someone tears down others for what looks to be the sole purpose of making themselves look superior. And that strikes me as most of Ferrell's career, Elf excluded.
Don't misunderstand, I'm not talking about mean jokes like Rickles (I love those), it's the superior attitude lurking underneath that bugs. And of course that's the exact opposite of Don Rickles. The whole point of Rickles' act was that he was the biggest jerk alive. The whole point of these people's act is how much better they are than a lot of folks.
Sarah Silverman's stand up act is actually much more like Rickles' act than the ones I mention (She's the ultimate target of her jokes) and I don't really include her in the group.
- which is what a c-word is
i am not judgemental about having substance problems, or having a lot of sexual partners, but far as i am concerned, those 2 things got nothing to do with being a c-word
can't STAND sarah silverman, neither. aren't a lot of really funny female comedians. am not sure exactly why hostile, spiteful and unpleasant are a big part of "funny"
- there really isn't a good word describing males that is the exact duplicate of c-word. but most male comedians are not funny neither. and i don't think the don rickles stuff is even a little bit funny, even if he is a c-word.
I agree with that except I do think she's sporadically amusing in a grumpy, spiteful, mean, petty, and shrewish kind of way.
Him I find to be grumpy, unfunny, spiteful, mean and petty.
I've read that when Clay was starting out he would record all his shows, and carefully keep track of what bits got laughs and what didn't- those that got laughs he kept doing, those that didn't he'd rework or drop- I guess it worked- he became successful- but you know what, he's the ONLY comic I've ever seen, where I literally sat there baffled as just about everyone else was laughing their heads off- I mean I've seen comics before I thought were totally uninteresting and unfunny- but they'd usually be bombing so my impression was shared by everyone else- but Clay was something else, I literally thought nothing was funny, couldn't laugh with him or at him or at his targets, his punchlines ranged from being wholly missing, to be unfunny non-sequiturs to being gratuitous insults lacking any apparent connection to the lead in, his "poems" were... like if you took a mad libs set, used Carlin's dirty words to fill in the blanks, and then weed out the ones that produce a funny result.
My "problem" with Sarah Silverman is that visually I think shes really cute which kind of clouds my judgment as to how funny she is or not.
I'm really struggling to think of examples of what you're describing with Ferrell. What kind of targets are you talking about that you find him mean in? His primary target to mock seems to be the white, self-absorbed 30-40 year old male. I think he's called Anchorman-Step Brothers-Talledega Nights a trilogy because they're all parodies of buffonish white man-boys.
Exactly. Where does he get off? Picking on the powerful and connected is necessary because if they aren't at least somewhat kept in line they run completely amok. But just picking on average people from your USC frat boy turned mega millionaire perch is just plain mean. Being a sore loser can be annoying, being a sore winner is obnoxious.
I can't even tell if you're being sarcastic.
Can someone make a hierarchical list of classifications so that we can have a reference for which groups can mock other groups and which ones can't? Comedy without restrictions is anarchy.
Seriously. Buffoonish white man-boys are perfectly acceptable group to be lightly prodded (and he's not doing vicious satire at all). I mean, wow.
Who on earth can be made fun of if not them?
His father is from German and English stock, and "Carlos" grew up in the US and went by the name Ned Holness until he needed a schtick for his comedy.
Carlos Mencia is significantly less Mexican than Louis CK, who:
a) is a Mexican citizen.
b) learned Spanish as his first language.
and
c) spent the first seven years of his life in Mexico City.
Other than Rickles, I don't think any of these are in the same hemisphere as Handler as far as popularity. I don't follow stand-up, so perhaps I'm not the best judge, but I have no idea (again, other than Rickles, who as a kid I was never a fan of) who any of these people are.
If you don't think she's funny that's fine (I don't either), but if she's mean, well half the stand up comics working today are pretty mean. My guess is if you're a female comic that doesn't want to get stuck playing to female-only audiences, you have to be edgy, mean, and crass to get the boys to watch (Silverman, Cummings, Lisa Lampanelli, etc.)
Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of stand-up, this being one of the reasons. I'm trying to think of a good talk-showy entertainment comparison on the male side for Handler... Tosh.0? I can't stand him for all the same reasons. Joel McHale on the Soup? Has he been that petty? Any other suggestions?
Oh, good. I'm not the only one.
I mumble a lot off-stage, I'm a mumbler. If I'm walking with a friend and I say something, he won't hear me, he'll say 'What?'. So I'll say it again, but once again he doesn't hear me, so he says 'What?'. But really it's just some insignificant sh*t that I'm saying, but now I'm yelling, 'That tree is far away.'”
RIP Mitch.
Really? It's a wry self deprecating humor or broad bawdy descriptive humor, but it's quite funny - to me anyway.
Bill Maher maybe? Ellen was a popular stand up and was nice in her act. Colin Quinn had a talk show for awhile - he was grumpy, but I wouldn't say his act was mean.
Chris Hardwick is getting a talk show on Comedy Central, and already has a popular talk show-type podcast. He's a pretty nice guy in his act.
Letterman (and I think Seth Myers and Fallon) got his start in stand up.
If you don't know who Bill Burr is, and you watched "Breaking Bad", Burr was the red-headed henchman for Saul (the one who stalled the truck during the train heist). I didn't realize Huell is also a stand up comic - he won a season of "Last Comic Standing." Burr is one of those comics that will be pretty well known pretty soon, he's pretty popular on the circuit I think.
Maria Bamford is pretty amazing. She can be quite off-putting at first with her naturally high voice, but once you start listening she is quite talented. I have heard her name come up a few times when other comedians are asked about who they would pay to see. Most mention her impressive stage presence, she just owns the place.
But how does he compare to say, Jose Jimenez?
As if "Ned Holness" isn't a funny enough name to begin with.
Stranger then Fiction. It is the non-Ferrell, Ferrell movie. And it is darn good.
+1
I mean, I'm a buffoonish white man-boy myself... and I wouldn't call myself a self-loathing buffoonish white man-boy, either -- but jeebus... I think I'm probably THE demographic most appropriate/in need/deserving of such satire.
In Carlos' defense, IIRC he also grew up speaking Spanish, grew up in East LA, and the world sees him as Mexican. I'd say that's probably closer to Mexican-American experience than a guy with a Polish name who looks white who grew up to an affluent DC family.
But hey, in stand up, you find your "hook", and exaggerate it to fill your persona.
What exactly is funny about saying "look how much better I am than you" to a generic group of people you don't know and have never met, particularly from the vantage point Ferrell is at? It's just elitist bully behavior. I don't like bullies.
It's the attitude that's the difference: there's nothing good-natured about the mockery Ferrell doles out. That's fine when it's a powerful pol. It's jerkish when it's just some random guy. If you want to pick on him, you better like him at least a little. If you don't, leave him alone.
Well, it is CPAC week, and Gawker has you covered.
This part confuses me more than the others, er, if you're serious. Ferrell has never been nor has ever met a goofy white man-boy?
I'm tired of it. We all suck in many obvious and less obvious ways, I think as a rule we should be a lot more critical of ourselves and a lot less critical of people we consider "other people."
Ugh, seriously, such a chill guy.
I was walking down the street with my friend and he said, "I hear music", as if there is any other way you can take it in. You're not special, that's how I receive it too. I tried to taste it but it did not work.
I wrote a script and gave it to a guy that reads scripts. And he read it and said he really likes it, but he thinks I need to rewrite it. I said, \"#### that, I'll just make a copy."
I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential.
So I wish I could play little league now, I'd kick some ######' ass.
And I third the RIP Mitch
???
Aren't his movies making fun of celebrity race drivers, news broadcasters, celebrity figure skaters, and basketball franchise owners? Those don't seem like random guys to me.
trivia(l)
Chelsea Handler graduated from the same high school as, among others, Governor Chris Christie, Jason "George Costanza" Alexander, author Harlen Coben, and NY-area sportscaster Bruce Beck.
They're 49% of the country, Nate.
I think "everyone who isn't me (or a lot like me) is an idiot" is super mean and that's my Ferrell takeaway.
Voros travels in really, really rarefied circles.
(Not a Ferrell fan; probably wouldn't see one of his movies if you paid me, depending on how much the offer was for & how broke I happened to be at the time. Voros, though, seems to be coming from an odd place with this.)
I was referring to the CPAC jab.
This. There are some comics who are very self-deprecating, but most of comedy is making fun of someone else.
I don't think there is anyone that watches Will Ferrell's comedy and has their feelings hurt because they think Will is making fun of them.
And none of this means Ferrell is my favorite, I just found Voros's rabbit hole of sensitivity absurd. But being a fan of CPAC makes it all make sense.
There is at least one person, it would appear.
There is nobody less funny than Bill Maher.
Egg-######-zactly. That you would jump to the conclusion that I'm a CPAC fan (I'm most certainly not) just because I take exception to blanketing them as a bunch of morons highlights the problem. That it's impossible to defend someone unless you share their viewpoint is a malicious standpoint.
Again: people who are different from you, who think different from you and who vote different from you are not necessarily _worse_ than you.
Comedy that makes fun of oneself.
Are those things even remotely debatable?
True. But they can be.
Can't think of anything mean spirited in Bill Cosby's early career. I still enjoy listening to it, but I can see how it might not be to everybody's taste.
I've heard that NASCAR fans LOVE Talledega Nights- sure he's making fun of them, but he's not making them out to be evil or mean spirited, and of course he also made fun of French Formula One drivers...
81:
Finally, someone brings up the merits of her assertions. However, we mostly all agree with her assessment. The comments here seem to be driven more along the lines of a pot meet kettle thing.
My Ferrell takeaway is that everyone is an idiot, not just everyone who is not like Will Ferrell.
That doesn't seem to be prevailing stance these days. I mean just look at #76 for a perfect example. That I would side with CPAC for any reason, makes me worse. Period. At the very least I'm guilty until proven innocent.
Now as it turns out, I _am_ worse, but I object to someone thinking that just because I don't like generically large groups of people being belittled.
CPAC isn't 49% of the country. It's a tiny group of conservative true believers. And your take on Ferrell is completely wrong IMO. He's not saying people who aren't like me are idiots. He's a doofy white frat boy. He's making fun of himself and people like him. And he's doing it in a very good-natured, friendly way.
That's not what #76 said. It said that liking CPAC explains the absurdity of your supposed "rabbit hole of sensitivity."
What is CPAC and what was Ferrell's joke about it?
In Stranger in a Strange Land Heinlein insisted that "funny" was something bad happening to someone else, making fun of yourself still qualified because to the audience that's still something bad happening to someone else, Heinlein saw humor as akin to an evolutionary defense mechanism- you see something bad happen and laughing about it prevents you from dwelling on it, or god forbid feeling bad about not intervening, or worse risking yourself to do something about it, bad thinks happen and are inevitable, to see them as humorous allows us to keep on keeping on without being distracted...
Odd man was Heinlein...
So, no one should be made fun of, we're all equal, and all opinions our valid? This sounds like the worst caricatures of liberal-thinking, missing only the notion of holding hands and singing Kumbaya.
Can't think of anything mean spirited in Bill Cosby's early career. I still enjoy listening to it, but I can see how it might not be to everybody's taste.
When I made my original comment, I thought of that. My mind went to Thurber's My Life and Hard Times. He seems to find all the eccentrics there in his childhood so very endearing. But, Cosby is a good suggestion, too. But, however much they lavish affections on their subjects, they are still making fun of them--still, in some fundamental way, not taking those people seriously. And there's a judging of them through and through. Whether that humor is the satire, the black humor, of Catch 22 or the affectionate, even loving, good humor of Right Ho, Jeeves, there's a stance in which the creator stands in judgment.
Here I am, a complete neanderthal... I'm a fan of X Pac.
No, just that someone shouldn't be made to be a pariah just because they have a different opinion than you. It's very intimidating having to run up against "you're not one of _those_ people" type antics everywhere I go. It seems like I have to have completely different opinions on topics based on who I'm with just to get along with people.
Maybe it's just a subset of always seeming to vote differently than 99% of the country and it's my own issues, but I wish people would be a little less judgmental.
Okay. I never got the impression that Will Ferrell was making pariahs out of people, but I'm guessing you're not talking about him anymore.
Its in my queue. I loved his "I love it!" segments on Weekend Update.
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