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Saturday, May 05, 2012

Chicago Sun-Times: White Sox Make Chris Sale Closer

The White Sox made a surprising and significant decision Friday to move Chris Sale back to the bullpen. Sale, who has had a short but successful run as a starter this season after relieving last year, has been experiencing slight tenderness in his elbow area, manager Robin Ventura said.

Rather than risk his long-term health, the Sox decided to make Sale the closer. Dylan Axelrod will move into the rotation and start Sunday in Sale’s place against the Detroit Tigers.

Ventura said Sale will be available to close Monday, when the Sox play two games in Cleveland.

“It’s not disappointing to us, it’s disappointing to him because this was something he’s always wanted to do,’’ pitching coach Don Cooper said before the Sox’ game Friday at Detroit. “We’re not making this decision based on what’s best for the team because obviously he’s starting and doing well and that would be a wonderful thing to keep him in. We feel we’re doing what’s best for him, his career and his health. It’s the best way to keep him healthy and strong.’’

Sale, 3-1 with a 2.81 ERA, has been the Sox’ second-best starter behind American League Pitcher of the Month Jake Peavy. He pitched in the bullpen last year, but his stated goal always was to start. His transition to the job had been smooth. He wasn’t happy about the move, Cooper said, and he declined to talk to reporters before the game, asking instead if he could talk Saturday.

Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: May 05, 2012 at 11:16 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: May 05, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4124108)
It’s the best way to keep him healthy and strong.

Good move. This ought to keep Sale healthy and strong like Andrew Bailey, Joakim Soria, Brian Wilson, Drew Storen, and at least a couple others this year alone that I can't think of at the moment.
   2. bobm Posted: May 05, 2012 at 12:03 PM (#4124120)
I thought keeping a player away from motorcycles and trampolines was the best way to keep him healthy.
   3. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 05, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4124123)
I thought the best way to keep closers healthy was to keep them away from going all out "shagging" a ball during batting practice.

Watching Rivera go after the ball, it almost seems like he thought he was playing centerfield in an actual game.

But he's done this for 20 years! He's a Great Athlete! He is legendary for making great plays while shagging!
   4. Tripon Posted: May 05, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4124127)
If you want to keep him healthy, then the worst thing you can probably do is have Sale pitch in back-to-back-to-back games that is sometimes required of your closer.
   5. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 05, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4124151)
Oh, for ####'s sake.
   6. Hack Wilson Posted: May 05, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4124154)
Why not just have him miss a turn, heck put him on the 15 day D.L.? Wait a minute the problem may be from too much shagging.
   7. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 05, 2012 at 01:27 PM (#4124170)
The best part about last night's walk-off was the guy in the White Sox jersey (visible behind Peralta during one of the alternate angles of the swing) who was making the "strike 3, you're out" gesture with his arms as Peralta swung on that 0-2 pitch and knocked it out of the park. The guy almost completed the motion but slumped over when Peralta made contact.
   8. KT's Pot Arb Posted: May 05, 2012 at 02:58 PM (#4124266)
If you want to keep him healthy, then the worst thing you can probably do is have Sale pitch in back-to-back-to-back games that is sometimes required of your closer.


What do you expect them to do, have him skip a start or two to keep him in the rotation as a starter instead o a 60 inning reliever? I think their plan is just pitch him as often as possible and see if the arm breaks. They are merely following the tried and true dictum of a famous 19th century pitching coach (Fred Nietzsche) who claimed if it doesn't, he'll definitely come out of it stronger.

Are we sure Ozzie isn't still running this team?
   9. Walt Davis Posted: May 05, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4124336)
Well, it worked (i.e. didn't not work) for Smoltz ...

Cooper's got a good track record and a damn good record when it comes to pitcher health (Peavy notwithstanding) and I'd give him the benefit of the doubt here.
   10. Borussia, Du bist so wunderschön! (Mark Edward) Posted: May 05, 2012 at 04:46 PM (#4124338)
I find it interesting that Cooper's taking a lead role in this. Yes, he's been with these pitchers longer than Ventura, but usually the manager is the one who speaks to the press about these kind of decisions.

Anyway, it's a bummer Sale's moving back to the pen because he was looking great as a starter. It needs to be said that his velocity was a bit lower in his latest start, and then he started to complain of arm problems afterwards. Maybe it's for the best, but I still don't like it.
   11. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: May 05, 2012 at 05:23 PM (#4124351)
I hate this move! If only Don Cooper was as smart as the posters at Baseball Think Factory.
   12. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 05, 2012 at 05:27 PM (#4124352)
They are merely following the tried and true dictum of a famous 19th century pitching coach (Fred Nietzsche) who claimed if it doesn't, he'll definitely come out of it stronger.

Are we sure Ozzie isn't still running this team?


Yeah, Ozzie's run roughshod over his starting pitchers.


   13. bobm Posted: May 05, 2012 at 05:48 PM (#4124359)
[11] If only Don Cooper was as smart as the posters at Baseball Think Factory.

Wait a second! I read here at BBTF that he was "definately one of the best pitching coaches in this game"; "a ####### genius"; and "arguably the best" pitching coach. It's hard to keep up.
   14. HOLLA(R) Posted: May 05, 2012 at 07:04 PM (#4124386)
Up a run in the ninth today, two days before the new SWcarlet C is available, Ventura brings in Santiago, then has to go to Reed to preserve the lead after Santiago gets runners on second and third with two outs. When the closer role was announced as going to Santiago, I thought maybe Ventura understood the ninth inning wasn't always the most important, and wanted to properly leverage his relievers. It's looking more and more like he's just an idiot. Oh well.

Somehow for Sale, this will end poorly.
   15. no neck Posted: May 05, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4124419)
The best part about today's ninth inning was the guy in the Tiger jersey (visible behind Dunne during one of the alternate angles of the swing) who was making the "strike 3, you're out" gesture with his arms as Dunne swung on that 0-2 pitch and knocked it out of the park. The guy almost completed the motion but slumped over when Dunne made contact
   16. Borussia, Du bist so wunderschön! (Mark Edward) Posted: May 05, 2012 at 09:43 PM (#4124440)
Wait a second! I read here at BBTF that he was "definately one of the best pitching coaches in this game"; "a ####### genius"; and "arguably the best" pitching coach. It's hard to keep up.


I see on this thread that most folks are criticizing the move, but not directly criticizing Cooper. I still love Coop as a pitching coach, and he's the main reason I don't think this is a completely ######## plan.

Also, since we don't have many Sox threads, this is a team with some ridiculous extremes. Dunn (148 OPS+, De Aza (114), Konerko (187), & AJ (126) have been great; Alexei (40), Morel (25), Viciedo (62) have been bad. Only Rios (99) & recently Gordon Beckham (84) have been mediocre. I'm sure they'll figure out the bullpen problems, and Alexei will get hot as the weather gets warmer. I'm not expecting a 95-win season, but they should be able to compete for a title in the Central (nothing to brag about, but a playoff spot is a playoff spot).
   17. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: May 07, 2012 at 12:41 AM (#4125151)
Once the arm starts to hurt it probably doesn't make a huge difference whether you start or relieve. You'll have second-guessers if (or maybe more accurately when) he goes down for an extended period of time regardless of the move. His mechanics have long been a source of concern what with the "inverted W" and all.

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