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“Chicks Dig the Long Ball”

All that hard work finally paid off.

Guapo Posted: January 08, 2014 at 07:02 PM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: chick gandil, greg maddux, hall of fame, mark mcgwire, sex workers, tom glavine, women

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   1. Davo Dozier Posted: January 08, 2014 at 09:19 PM (#4634170)
Fantastic.
   2. robinred Posted: January 08, 2014 at 09:57 PM (#4634187)
I had forgotten about this. Maddux and Glavine showed some deadpan comic acting chops here.
   3. Davo Dozier Posted: January 08, 2014 at 10:17 PM (#4634198)
Most hits by a pitcher in the live-ball era (1920-on)

Maddux is 4th; Glavine is 12th. But Tom Glavine's career .244 OBP is higher than J.P. Arencibia put up last year, so there's that.
   4. God Posted: January 08, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4634223)
Still as funny as the day it came out. Best baseball commercial ever?
   5. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: January 08, 2014 at 11:19 PM (#4634233)

Most hits by a pitcher in the live-ball era (1920-on)



The 95% of games at pitcher qualifier cuts out some very good hitting pitchers who were used a PH on occasion. Using an 80% qualifier, which still cuts out guys like Lemon, Walters, and Ferrell who played some in the field, shows Early Wynn and Ted Lyons with more hits than Spahn, and Bob Gibson with more than Maddux, putting him 7th.
   6. Gamingboy Posted: January 08, 2014 at 11:19 PM (#4634235)

Still as funny as the day it came out. Best baseball commercial ever?


It's up there.
   7. Davo Dozier Posted: January 08, 2014 at 11:45 PM (#4634245)
The 95% of games at pitcher qualifier cuts out some very good hitting pitchers who were used a PH on occasion. Using an 80% qualifier, which still cuts out guys like Lemon, Walters, and Ferrell who played some in the field, shows Early Wynn and Ted Lyons with more hits than Spahn, and Bob Gibson with more than Maddux, putting him 7th.
Whoops, excellent call. I just picked a number without thinking so I wouldn't get stuck with the Babe Ruths and Rick Ankiels of the world.
   8. Danko Posted: January 08, 2014 at 11:52 PM (#4634252)
The moment that always gets me is when they try using the trap shooting thrower for batting practice. Gold.
   9. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: January 08, 2014 at 11:52 PM (#4634253)
Whoops, excellent call. I just picked a number without thinking so I wouldn't get stuck with the Babe Ruths and Rick Ankiels of the world.


Bob Lemon has 2 more hits than Maddux, but he's got 16 games as a fielder.
   10. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 09, 2014 at 12:49 AM (#4634271)
Such a great commercial. I'm glad that Glavine didn't have to wait and that they get to go in together. Pity Smoltz isn't going in at the same time they and Cox are.
   11. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: January 09, 2014 at 12:57 AM (#4634274)
Pity Smoltz isn't going in at the same time they and Cox are.

For 15 sh!tty starts for the f'ing Red Sox and Cards. Worst career decision ever.

Or maybe not. I expect Smoltz will have a tough road to the HOF.
   12. BochysFingers Posted: January 09, 2014 at 01:15 AM (#4634286)
I'm thinking Smoltz will have a Biggio-like route to the HOF, that is, making it in three years. I don't have him quite up as high as Maddux/Glavine, but there's little doubt he'll eventually make it in.
   13. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: January 09, 2014 at 01:38 AM (#4634296)
"Hey, have you guys seen Mark?"

"Well, we are hanging out in the HOF and he's definitely not here."

   14. God Posted: January 09, 2014 at 02:25 AM (#4634312)
People here seem weirdly down on Smoltz's chances. I'm thinking he gets in first try with a Big Hurt-like percentage.
   15. base ball chick Posted: January 09, 2014 at 02:32 AM (#4634314)
best commercial EVAH

and watching that brings back the memories of when everyone couldn't wait to watch mcgwire pick up a bat.

why would biggio get in next year? cmon. it will just be more and more steroid rumor crap. even bagwell is obviously resigned to never going in and has gone on with his life

smoltz SHOULD go in easily next year
but youneverknow - you can't count on the writers
   16. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: January 09, 2014 at 02:53 AM (#4634316)
wow : )
i'd never seen that - what a GREAT frikkin' commercial - awesome!
   17. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 09, 2014 at 09:24 AM (#4634355)
Smoltz won't get 50% next year. Probably won't get 35%. The ballot is too crowded; Maddux and Glavine are off it but Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez are joining.
   18. TDF, situational idiot Posted: January 09, 2014 at 10:54 AM (#4634423)
People here seem weirdly down on Smoltz's chances. I'm thinking he gets in first try with a Big Hurt-like percentage.
I don't think so; he's no better than the 3rd best pitcher on the ballot.
Smoltz won't get 50% next year. Probably won't get 35%. The ballot is too crowded; Maddux and Glavine are off it but Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez are joining.
But I really disagree with this for a couple of reasons:
1. Thomas and Morris are also off the ballot
2. He has much more "fame" than Schilling or Mussina

My uneducated guess? The Biggio (expected) 3 year route.
   19. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 09, 2014 at 11:00 AM (#4634429)
wow : )
i'd never seen that - what a GREAT frikkin' commercial - awesome!
Damn, I must be old.
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: January 09, 2014 at 12:05 PM (#4634513)
People here seem weirdly down on Smoltz's chances. I'm thinking he gets in first try with a Big Hurt-like percentage.


I think he's somewhere in the 50 percent range or a little higher, in part because some of the voters will compare him to Eck, a comparison he wins, rather than Schilling/Mussina, a comparison where he doesn't stand out as much.

   21. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 09, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4634522)
Curt Schilling (216-146, 3.46) polled at 29% this year. I can't see why we should expect Smoltz (213-155, 3.33) to poll much higher next year, and their superficial similarity means they may split votes on a crowded ballot.

Smoltz should and will receive extra credit for his four years as a great reliever, but Schilling was/is more famous as a postseason legend (fairly or unfairly). Those things are going to be a wash with the writers. By similarity scores Smoltz is Schilling's #6 comp, Schilling is Smoltz's #1 comp.

   22. Perry Posted: January 09, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4634524)
Still as funny as the day it came out. Best baseball commercial ever?


Certainly right up there. I liked some of the old Vitalis ads in the late 60s. My favorite was probably one that starred Pete Rose, rookie Steve Garvey, and Maury Wills. Garvey slides headfirst into 2nd base and is called safe on a close play. Rose protests and the ump says "you missed the tag, Pete," Rose says "No I didn't, I got him on the head, look at the grease all over my glove." Ump checks the glove, fingers Garvey's hair, says "You're out, kid." Garvey slinks back to the dugout, where he's greeted by Wills holding a bottle of Vitalis. "If you're gonna play in this league, kid, you'd better use this."

Maybe you had to be there.
   23. John M. Perkins Posted: January 09, 2014 at 12:16 PM (#4634529)
While the following post is good as a whole, scroll down to the second video about long ball and bald spot:
maddux-and-glavines-big-day
   24. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 09, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4634566)
If Glavine didn't lose any votes by torpedoing the Mets that one year, I guess Smoltz won't suffer from his high-profile flop with the Red Sox.

But Smoltz only has 213 wins, in a 22-year career. Yes, he had that one year injured and then four years as a reliever, but he made 481 career starts.

Schilling and Pedro both have more wins (216 and 219), in 436 starts and 409 starts respectively.
   25. pikepredator Posted: January 09, 2014 at 12:57 PM (#4634588)
the nike billboard of mcgwire and his muscles captioned "it really is the shoes." cracks me up every time.

I think Smoltz is going to have a relatively easy time getting into the hall since he'll have the support of both younger and older members of the BBWAA. Mussina doesn't get cred from the 300-win crowd and schilling was kind of a jerk, but smoltz was a GAMER, baby. and a dominant closer (almost as good as Lee Smith!) and he will ride glavine/maddux coattails.
   26. TDF, situational idiot Posted: January 09, 2014 at 01:29 PM (#4634636)
Schilling and Pedro both have more wins (216 and 219), in 436 starts and 409 starts respectively.
Schilling also has 132 fewer saves and one less CYA than Smoltz.
Yes, he had that one year injured
I think the story by itself (great starter, injured, becomes great closer "while recovering", then 3 more years as a great starter) helps his cause and puts him ahead of Schilling.

I don't think Pedro really comes into the conversation; he goes in for his amazing peak where Schilling and Smoltz are prime/career guys.
   27. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 09, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4634672)
I'm going to be interested in the Johnson/Pedro percentages. I think they'll both go in, the only question is what percentage. If Glavine gets 91% I think they're both over that and Johnson will probably be over 95. Pedro should also be over 95, but some people will look at his career as too short instead of as one of the best peaks in the history of the game.

ETA: Not that it means much, but Maddux is ranked 5th, Unit 8th, and Pedro 10th on the BBREF Elo rater. Glavine is 27th, Mussina is 32nd, Schilling is 45th.
   28. BDC Posted: January 09, 2014 at 02:29 PM (#4634706)
My favorite was probably one that starred Pete Rose

It's funny, I was thinking of the Aqua Velva commercial where Pete Rose sings "A man wants to smell like a man." (There may be more than one of those – for some reason I remember a chorus consisting of Rose, Joe Morgan, and an umpire.) Unimaginable that anybody let them do that.
   29. villageidiom Posted: January 09, 2014 at 03:08 PM (#4634768)
Still as funny as the day it came out. Best baseball commercial ever?
"I must be in the front row."
   30. puck Posted: January 09, 2014 at 03:12 PM (#4634779)
Like most things Ichiro, these ads are fun.
   31. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 09, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4634805)
2. He has much more "fame" than Schilling or Mussina


??!!! Among the three pitchers, the only one with "more fame" is the guy who is a legend for the bloody sock and ending "the curse."
   32. Depressoteric Posted: January 09, 2014 at 03:52 PM (#4634851)
One of the all time great commercials PERIOD. And easily the best BASEBALL one.
   33. Colin Posted: January 09, 2014 at 10:02 PM (#4635331)
Smoltz will have an odd case. I never could figure out why Eck was a first-ballot HoFer, but the voters thought so, and Smoltz bests Eck. Smoltz's postseason resume compares favorably to Schilling's - slightly less gaudy on W/L, but more appearances and more innings of excellence. But, Smoltz lacks a signature postseason win like Jack Morris and Schilling. If Smoltz had been on the ballot this year he might have ridden the Maddux/Glavine coattails, and would have had the additional benefit of being an entire-career-with-one-team guy. But, he'd also be $5m less rich, and may have instead split the vote with Glavine so that both could stay home at 70% watching Maddux go in with Cox.

As for the ad, it's just gold.
   34. flournoy Posted: January 09, 2014 at 10:36 PM (#4635343)
But, Smoltz lacks a signature postseason win like Jack Morris and Schilling.


I think the 1991 NLCS Game 7 qualifies. And while he didn't get the win in the 1992 NLCS Game 7, the iconic nature of the game should resonate. Then of course the Braves lost the 1991 World Series Game 7 for which another aforementioned pitcher is much more famous, but his efforts here should be noted.

To recap: Over those three Game 7s, Smoltz threw 22 1/3 innings of 0.84 ERA ball. He was quite famously the "big game clutch pitcher" of the Braves' rotation.
   35. Colin Posted: January 09, 2014 at 11:39 PM (#4635387)
Oh, I completely agree that he pitched some great games for the Braves, he was the man in the postseason. But, he was often on the hard-luck end of things - game 7 in 1991, game 5 in 1996. He's pretty much a footnote to that 1992 NLCS game, forgotten thanks to Francisco Cabrera.

I guess I'm just saying that he doesn't have one game for which he's renowned. That's not a bad thing, to have pitched so well that people are spoiled for choice, but as we saw with Morris, people can really rally around one Big Game.
   36. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 09, 2014 at 11:49 PM (#4635395)
I think people here are radically underestimating Smoltz's chances, and he'll almost certainly be in before either Schilling or Mussina, deserving or no.
   37. GregD Posted: January 10, 2014 at 12:05 AM (#4635403)
I think people here are radically underestimating Smoltz's chances
I agree with this

and he'll almost certainly be in before either Schilling or Mussina, deserving or no.
I kind of doubt this

My WAG on pitchers is Randy and Pedro (and Biggio) in 2015, then in 2016 you'll see people looking for starting pitchers to vote for and that first helping Schilling (with Griffey and Piazza and maybe Bagwell?) then in 2017 perhaps Mussina and Smoltz together (with maybe hopefully Raines?)--not ready to advance even a WAG about how writers will treat first-time candidates Pudge in that incoming class.
   38. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: January 10, 2014 at 12:08 AM (#4635408)
I don't see that at all. Mussina is at the top of the group, Schilling and Smoltz are neck and neck. Similar innings, ERA+, wins between Smoltz and Schilling. Then you have all of Schilling's theatrics (real and imagined) and the weird unearned runs thing people can't shut up about. I would have a tough time voting Smoltz ahead of Schilling, and I'm never voting for Schilling.

The relief seasons are fine, I guess, but what does that really show? Does anyone really doubt that any top starter could do a bang up job as a closer if given that chance? Smoltz spent four years of his prime pitching the final inning of games that were already 95% won. It's hard for me to take that as a positive.
   39. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 10, 2014 at 12:51 AM (#4635424)
But that's not what's going to matter. Smoltz has the narrative, and narrative still matters. And his legend towers over Mussina's, even though his stats clearly don't.
   40. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: January 10, 2014 at 01:36 AM (#4635438)
Schilling has plenty of narrative. It's going to be a struggle.

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