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Monday, February 11, 2013

Chris Jaffe Evaluating Managers on MLB Network Today

Our very own Dag Nabbit (of BTF/THT fame) was in New York to film a segment evaluating managers for a MLB Network show.  They ran the segment on Clubhouse Confidential today.

Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: February 11, 2013 at 08:22 PM | 51 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Mike Webber Posted: February 11, 2013 at 09:23 PM (#4367486)
Nice Job Chris! and nice suit.
   2. AJMcCringleberry Posted: February 11, 2013 at 09:33 PM (#4367496)
He'll also be doing Top 10 managers right now which airs Friday.
   3. T.J. Posted: February 11, 2013 at 09:54 PM (#4367519)
Agreed on the suit (and the overall performance).
   4. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 11, 2013 at 10:12 PM (#4367533)
chris seems like you could have gone on longer! overall nice segment
   5. McCoy Posted: February 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM (#4367537)
Sleeves look a little short, sloppy tie, and it looks like the chest/waist area was fitted improperly.
   6. Baseballs Most Beloved Figure Posted: February 11, 2013 at 10:49 PM (#4367562)
Clubhouse Confidential needs to go to an hour in length, would liked to have heard more from Jaffe. B. James was on a few weeks ago talking about pitcher usage and he was talking so fast in order to get in his points it was ridiculous.
   7. Mike Webber Posted: February 11, 2013 at 11:14 PM (#4367570)
Sleeves look a little short, sloppy tie, and it looks like the chest/waist area was fitted improperly.

If you look at his suits in 2011,2012 and then again in 2014 and 2015, it is pretty clear he over achieved with this suit.
   8. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: February 11, 2013 at 11:33 PM (#4367581)
How was his blink rate? Up in the Neyer zone, or closer to the Cameron baseline?
   9. Austin Posted: February 11, 2013 at 11:44 PM (#4367588)
Chris: does it get frustrating to do media appearances, because you just get asked the same few, very simplistic questions over and over again? I'm sure there's about half a million little tidbits you'd rather discuss instead of "who was the best/worst/most underrated" for the umpteenth time. Is the tradeoff worth it for the ability to "spread the gospel," as it were?
   10. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: February 12, 2013 at 12:25 AM (#4367609)
How was his blink rate? Up in the Neyer zone, or closer to the Cameron baseline?
I'm trying to remember Nate Silver's verbal tic. Over a long interview (like Simmons' podcast), it gets very annoying.

Sleeves look a little short, sloppy tie, and it looks like the chest/waist area was fitted improperly.
If I ever go have to go on TV in a suit, people will immediately think, "That man sucks at knotting a tie."
   11. McCoy Posted: February 12, 2013 at 10:26 AM (#4367719)
I'm trying to remember Nate Silver's verbal tic. Over a long interview (like Simmons' podcast), it gets very annoying.

Isn't Silver's tic the Mr. Burns "exxcellent" touching fingers thing?
   12. Dag Nabbit is a cornucopia of errors Posted: February 12, 2013 at 10:54 AM (#4367753)
If you look at his suits in 2011,2012 and then again in 2014 and 2015, it is pretty clear he over achieved with this suit.

HA!

Chris: does it get frustrating to do media appearances, because you just get asked the same few, very simplistic questions over and over again? I'm sure there's about half a million little tidbits you'd rather discuss instead of "who was the best/worst/most underrated" for the umpteenth time. Is the tradeoff worth it for the ability to "spread the gospel," as it were?

I haven't done nearly enough interviews for this to be an issue.
   13. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: February 12, 2013 at 11:09 AM (#4367790)
Clubhouse Confidential needs to go to an hour in length


B-b-b-but what would happen to Intentional Talk? How are we to live without the insight of Chris Rose and Kevin Millar?

And I'll keep repeating this in the hopes that eventually someone from MLBN will see it; please make Clubhouse Confidential available as a podcast the day after.
   14. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: February 12, 2013 at 11:25 AM (#4367812)
silver constantly uses the word 'right' in various forms/inflections

he knows he does it. can't seem to stop
   15. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM (#4367831)
If I ever go have to go on TV in a suit, people will immediately think, "That man sucks at knotting a tie."

My one sartorial skill is tying a very nice double windsor. Mind you, it might take a couple of tries.
   16. McCoy Posted: February 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM (#4367850)
My one sartorial skill is tying a very nice double windsor. Mind you, it might take a couple of tries.

It'll take more than a couple of tries since there is no such knot or are you tying two windsor knots at the same time? Now that would be tricky.
   17. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: February 12, 2013 at 11:55 AM (#4367861)
   18. squatto Posted: February 12, 2013 at 12:39 PM (#4367931)
silver constantly uses the word 'right' in various forms/inflections

he knows he does it. can't seem to stop


Verbal tics like this are something that people are generally unaware of, and they're very hard to eradicate. I sometimes feel like I'm an obsessive jerk for policing my son's language to try to keep him from using "like" and "you know" as verbal punctuation marks. I hear NPR reporters doing this in their broadcasts, and am amazed because I'd think this is something their producers would not allow.

My father is a former school district administrator, and as such recruited and interviewed teachers. Often this would be at job fairs that he'd travel to. He's told me of this one very promising candidate who came in for an interview with him. Her credentials were fantastic, the reviews she'd gotten as a student teacher were stellar, and she really wanted the job. Three minutes into the interview my father - as he sometimes did - held up his hand and said "Let's stop for a second, and talk as if this isn't a job interview." When the puzzled young woman nodded her assent, my father asked her if she knew how many times she'd said like or y'know during their three minutes. She said no. My father told her that it was more than 30. She looked stunned, as people often did when he pointed this out to her. He asked her if any of her professors, mentor teachers or anyone else had ever pointed this out. She said no. He gently asked her if she thought this was something that recommended her to be in front of a class of 30 students, five or six times a day. She said it didn't.

She sailed through the the rest of the interview without saying like or you know again except where appropriate, and my father hired her. He said other candidates couldn't do it, and he wouldn't hire them. Some candidates got pissed off at him and tried to tell him that it didn't matter. My father would generally end the interview shortly thereafter. Like father, like son, I guess.
   19. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: February 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM (#4367938)
Good man, squatto. Fight the good fight even though it looks hopeless.
   20. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM (#4367948)
shooty, that color does not exist in my sartorial vocabulary.
   21. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 12, 2013 at 12:50 PM (#4367955)
Yes, indeed, squatto -- what Shooty said. I deinitely have a speaking manner made for print, rather than broadcast, but AFAIK my bad habits (which I suppose may well be a form of stuttering, as when I immediately repeat some three- or four-word phrase I've just uttered) don't extend to overuse of "you know" or "like."
   22. squatto Posted: February 12, 2013 at 12:58 PM (#4367970)
I deinitely have a speaking manner made for print, rather than broadcast, but AFAIK my bad habits (which I suppose may well be a form of stuttering, as when I immediately repeat some three- or four-word phrase I've just uttered) don't extend to overuse of "you know" or "like."

My former career had me do a lot of print, radio and tv interviews. When you've got 15 seconds to make a point you'd damn well better not waste it with useless interjections. If you're debating someone in a talk show type appearance, you probably shouldn't sound like you're stoned or so imprecise that your argument might as well be a fuzzy navel. If you're doing an extended interview like dag's, where you're presenting complicated material in a compressed time period, not wasting words is important.

Plus, it simply makes you sound like a dumbass. I'll sometimes stutter a bit at the start of a sentence so I'm not without a verbal tic that can be distracting, but that too can be minimized with practice. My 10 year old is less than enthused with this crusade, but he's pretty good at avoiding it when I'm around.
   23. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: February 12, 2013 at 01:19 PM (#4367991)
Plus, it simply makes you sound like a dumbass. I'll sometimes stutter a bit at the start of a sentence so I'm not without a verbal tic that can be distracting, but that too can be minimized with practice. My 10 year old is less than enthused with this crusade, but he's pretty good at avoiding it when I'm around.

Mrs. Shooty never says "like" or "you know" or "totally" and it's one of the things I find most attractive about her. I fall into it a bit more, though I consciously try to avoid it. It is something that seems to have become much more prevalent in my life time and I'm starting to become a crank about it.
   24. McCoy Posted: February 12, 2013 at 01:42 PM (#4368008)
That which does not exist.

That is a Windsor knot. Well, I assume it is but I definitely know it isn't a "double Windsor".
   25. JJ1986 Posted: February 12, 2013 at 01:50 PM (#4368014)
Maybe it's a "Double Half-Windsor"
   26.     Hey Gurl Posted: February 12, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4368019)
I was listening to a podcast the other day and had to stop because he podcasts kept going uhhhh in Eor sentences. I couldn't stand it.
   27. Nasty Nate Posted: February 12, 2013 at 01:58 PM (#4368022)
That is a Windsor knot.


Stephen Strasburg ties his ties with an inverted Mindsor knot.
   28. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: February 12, 2013 at 01:59 PM (#4368027)
Google seems to think the double windsor knot is pretty common. I wear a tie about 3 times a year and don't even know what knot it is I use.
   29. GregD Posted: February 12, 2013 at 02:01 PM (#4368031)
wiki says the Full Windsor is also called a Double Windsor to distinguish it from the half-Windsor
   30. Poster Nutbag Posted: February 12, 2013 at 02:05 PM (#4368039)
please make Clubhouse Confidential available as a podcast the day after.


Can we get some movement behind this?
   31. jmurph Posted: February 12, 2013 at 02:11 PM (#4368047)
I've never heard it called anything but the Double Windsor, I don't know what McCoy is on about.

Sadly, I have to wear a tie everyday, though today's is pretty sharp, so I'm not really that angry.
   32. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 12, 2013 at 02:19 PM (#4368058)
Sadly, I have to wear a tie everyday, though today's is pretty sharp, so I'm not really that angry.


I wore one for years & years as a newspaper reporter & then editor. More than once, while I was covering the courts, I was mistaken for either a lawyer or a police detective; obviously, I was doing something wrong.

I guess it was better than being mistaken for a defendant, though.
   33. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: February 12, 2013 at 02:23 PM (#4368070)
Sadly, I have to wear a tie everyday, though today's is pretty sharp, so I'm not really that angry.


I work for a t-shirt and jeans type company but before this I worked for a University where a suit was the requirement. While it was more of a pain I enjoyed the act of putting together an outfit that had a bit of style to it each day. Going with suspenders rather than a belt alone was worth quite a lot of positive comments.
   34. Greg K Posted: February 12, 2013 at 02:26 PM (#4368076)
Google seems to think the double windsor knot is pretty common. I wear a tie about 3 times a year and don't even know what knot it is I use.

My dad tied a tie for me about ten years ago. I've made a point of taking it off without untying it so I'll never have to tie it again. Unfortunately it got heavily wine-doused the last time I wore it so I am totally screwed now.
   35. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: February 12, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4368092)
That is a Windsor knot. Well, I assume it is but I definitely know it isn't a "double Windsor".


Windsor knots are like Pinocles. A knot with a wrap around the loop on only one side is called a half windsor. But a knot with wraps around both sides is somehow called a double windsor, just like one jack of diamonds and one queen of spades is a half pinocle, but two of each is a double pinochle.
   36. DJS and the Infinite Sadness Posted: February 12, 2013 at 02:46 PM (#4368107)
I use a full windsor, but I always have to relearn it every time I wear a tie because a couple of times a year isn't enough to get it into memory.
   37. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 12, 2013 at 02:57 PM (#4368119)
I have no idea what I use, & I had no idea what I used when I wore a tie every day. (I probably haven't worn one 5 times in the last 11-odd years.) It's whatever my oldest stepdaughter-to-be showed me how to tie back in '85, before I started at the newspaper in Little Rock.

I think it's a half-Windsor, though it always winds up pretty damned lopsided. Oh, well. I'm pretty sure that's all that stood between me & a passel of Pulitzers.
   38. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 12, 2013 at 03:14 PM (#4368138)
Well, this IS interesting. I had always heard the half-Windsor refered to as the Windsor, hence my calling what others call the Full Windsor a Double Windsor. I can see how McCoy would be aghast at a Double Windsor -- that would be a monster knot.

I had never heard of a half pinochle; it was always pinochle and double pinochle. And if playing double deck pinochle, triple and quadruple pinochles.

I think I settled on the Full/Double Windsor in HS, since I hoped it would take everyone's eyes off my cheap jackets/suits. I wore ties for years to work but haven't in the last 15 years. I wear a tie no more than 2-3x / year but still have the muscle memory. I am still partial to polka dot and paisley ties that were so mod in the 60s.
   39. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 12, 2013 at 03:15 PM (#4368141)
gef, if the not is triangular, it's a half-Windsor; if it is a trapezoid it's full/double. If it is a big mess, christen it a "gef"
   40.     Hey Gurl Posted: February 12, 2013 at 03:18 PM (#4368147)
I ####### hate you guys.
   41. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 12, 2013 at 03:34 PM (#4368163)
Half-Windsor it is, then, albeit with definite gef-esque overtones.
   42. McCoy Posted: February 12, 2013 at 03:41 PM (#4368174)
Well, if it is lopsided it probably is a four-in-hand. It is probably the easiest knot to do and one most people learn.

Double Windsor is a misnomer just like irregardless.

I mostly go with the Windsor knot since I have a round face and a fuller knot works well with that kind of face.
   43. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: February 12, 2013 at 03:41 PM (#4368175)
I did not learn how to tie a tie until I was 25. The girl I was dating at the time was incredulous upon finding this out and forced me to learn on the spot. I gave up after a couple half-hearted attempts but then she informed me that she would not sleep with me again until I learned. So I learned.
   44. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 12, 2013 at 04:11 PM (#4368214)
I did not learn how to tie a tie until I was 25.


Same age at which I learned, as mentioned above, from the stepdaughter-to-be.

McCoy's probably right -- sounds like it was more likely a four-in-hand than a half-Windsor.
   45. jmurph Posted: February 12, 2013 at 04:50 PM (#4368266)
While it was more of a pain I enjoyed the act of putting together an outfit that had a bit of style to it each day. Going with suspenders rather than a belt alone was worth quite a lot of positive comments.


Just move to DC, where wearing anything but a white shirt with a pleated charcoal or navy suit big enough for your older brother (figuratively speaking) will get you complements!
   46. McCoy Posted: February 12, 2013 at 05:06 PM (#4368283)
Just move to DC, where wearing anything but a white shirt with a pleated charcoal or navy suit big enough for your older brother (figuratively speaking) will get you complements!

I do laugh at the Hipster fad in DC since all these supposed hipsters have to get up in the morning and go work for the government or some business attached to the government. There is only so far one can take their hairstyle, skinstyle, and fashion when dealing with these kind of companies. So instead they mainly drink PBR and think they are hip.
   47. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: February 12, 2013 at 06:21 PM (#4368337)
wiki says the Full Windsor is also called a Double Windsor to distinguish it from the half-Windsor


There is also the Edward Windsor that is distinguished by the size of its Nazi.
   48. bobm Posted: February 12, 2013 at 07:18 PM (#4368375)
I did not learn how to tie a tie until I was 25. The girl I was dating at the time was incredulous upon finding this out and forced me to learn on the spot. I gave up after a couple half-hearted attempts but then she informed me that she would not sleep with me again until I learned. So I learned.

She was bound to sleep with you then.
   49. AJMcCringleberry Posted: February 12, 2013 at 07:34 PM (#4368380)
I did not learn how to tie a tie until I was 25.

I'll be 30 in two months and I still don't know how to tie a tie.
   50. Greg K Posted: February 12, 2013 at 07:34 PM (#4368382)
She was bound to sleep with you then.

I don't think he meant that kind of tying.
   51. Greg K Posted: February 12, 2013 at 07:35 PM (#4368383)

I'll be 30 in two months and I still don't know how to tie a tie.

30 in three months, I win!

EDIT: ah crap, time moves forward doesn't it? I lose.

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