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Friday, January 24, 2014

Chuck Knoblauch elected to Twins Hall of Fame

The four-time All-Star and 1991 American League Rookie of the Year is set to become the 27th member of the Twins Hall of Fame on Aug. 23, when he is inducted during a special on-field pregame ceremony before the Twins host the Detroit Tigers at Target Field.

DL from MN Posted: January 24, 2014 at 03:51 PM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 05:07 PM (#4645923)
Just don't ask him to toss out the first pitch of a game.
   2. God Posted: January 24, 2014 at 05:29 PM (#4645936)
Is this the first time an admitted steroid user has been elected to a Hall of Fame -- any Hall of Fame?
   3. BDC Posted: January 24, 2014 at 05:33 PM (#4645939)
What is with this spate of Team Hall of Fame announcements? I'm expecting to learn that Greg Goossen has been elected to the Seattle Pilots Hall of Fame.
   4. Charlie Gibbs Fracture Zone Posted: January 24, 2014 at 05:43 PM (#4645948)
Looking forward to Keith Olbermann's coverage of the event.
   5. puck Posted: January 24, 2014 at 05:46 PM (#4645950)
So, bb-ref PI people, how does 37.8 WAR through age 28 compare to other second basemen?

Just browsing a few player records, I have Roberto Alomar at 39.6, but Knoblauch's total is higher than Joe Morgan, Sandberg, Biggio (of course), Cano. Bobby Grich is very close (37.5).
   6. Anonymous Observer Posted: January 24, 2014 at 05:50 PM (#4645954)
Any word yet on what hat his plaque will have?
   7. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 24, 2014 at 05:50 PM (#4645955)
Lyle Alzado is in the Jewish Sports Hall of Fame.

Mike Webster is in the NFL HOF. Not sure whether to consider him a "non-denial denial" or a "non-admission admission" or what exactly.

EDIT: I'm seeing references to Terry Bradshaw admitting that he "dabbled" in steroids, but no primary source yet.
   8. cardsfanboy Posted: January 24, 2014 at 05:57 PM (#4645959)
So, bb-ref PI people, how does 37.8 WAR through age 28 compare to other second basemen?


Rk            Player WAR/pos OPS+    G   PA   AB   R    H  2B  3B  HR RBI  BB  SO HBP GDP  SB CS   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS        Pos
                                                                                                                               
1     Rogers Hornsby    75.7  180 1262 5409 4767 851 1713 286 128 141 815 504 396      34 109 61 .359 .424 .562 .986 
*465/3798H
2      Eddie Collins    64.1  160 1168 4974 4137 820 1394 179  94  19 551 591 277      48 413 82 .337 .426 .439 .865   
*4/69875
3     Frankie Frisch    46.8  117 1153 5141 4670 813 1511 211  88  64 602 323 149      20 272 74 .324 .370 .448 .817     
*45/6H
4     Roberto Alomar    39.6  118 1304 5763 5048 829 1522 273  52  99 593 560 587  23 111 313 82 .302 .371 .435 .806     
*4/HD6
5    Chuck Knoblauch    37.8  114 1013 4573 3939 713 1197 210  51  43 391 513 453  74  75 276 77 .304 .391 .416 .807    
*4/6HD8
6        Bobby Grich    37.5  126  838 3569 2971 456  774 143  27  77 330 494 560  46  54  83 49 .261 .372 .405 .776   
*46/3H5D
7         Joe Morgan    36.4  125 1040 4600 3820 653 1021 159  62  77 351 700 412  17  33 253 75 .267 .381 .402 .783     
*4/H78
8         Joe Gordon    35.5  125  888 3785 3310 561  921 171  38 142 570 432 436  15  83  66 43 .278 .364 .482 .846      
*4/3H
9    Willie Randolph    35.4  105 1068 4655 3958 660 1076 156  49  27 330 610 324  17  99 192 60 .272 .369 .356 .726      
*4/H5
10      Lou Whitaker    34.7  109 1139 4743 4121 629 1163 176  43  73 449 513 505   6  62  82 48 .282 .359 .399 .758      
*4/HD
11         Rod Carew    34.5  126 1029 4331 3915 551 1266 188  48  32 393 335 507  14  98 137 72 .323 .377 .420 .798    
*4/H653
12      Tony Lazzeri    33.3  127  991 4250 3673 589 1120 213  82  96 724 455 479      13  95 60 .305 .383 .486 .869   
*45/6H37
13      Billy Herman    32.4  112 1042 4792 4315 683 1349 288  46  25 450 348 216  19  93     43 .313 .367 .418 .785       
*4/H
14    Dustin Pedroia    31.6  117  856 3824 3388 560 1025 245  11  90 409 349 329  30  73 102 26 .303 .369 .461 .830     
*4/H6D
15     Ryne Sandberg    31.5  108 1077 4713 4287 652 1219 201  49 109 473 355 617  14  68 235 64 .284 .339 .430 .769     
*45/H6
16       Bobby Doerr    30.6  113 1185 5036 4476 667 1292 255  51 121 739 468 404   5  87  41 52 .289 .357 .450 .806       
*4/H
17       Larry Doyle    30.5  130 1184 5057 4445 704 1322 209  91  51 540 434 271      42 241 32 .297 .365 .420 .785         
*4
18         Pete Rose    30.3  123 1064 4785 4301 679 1327 218  52  75 433 397 467  28  69  50 60 .309 .369 .436 .805  
*497/85H3 
   9. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 05:59 PM (#4645961)
Coke to CFB.
   10. DL from MN Posted: January 24, 2014 at 06:09 PM (#4645967)
Pretty sure it won't be Dollar Dog night
   11. puck Posted: January 24, 2014 at 06:24 PM (#4645973)
#8, thanks. I don't think I appreciated the start Knoblauch had gotten off to back then.
   12. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 06:38 PM (#4645978)
What a strange career he had--he was always positive dWAR for the Twins (sometimes very positive), and was always negative dWAR (or 0) for the Yankees. 114 OPS+ for the Twins, 100 for the Yankees
   13. God Posted: January 24, 2014 at 07:07 PM (#4645985)
Knoblauch always claimed that his HGH use coincided with his career going into freefall. It seems like he kind of almost blamed the PEDs for his decline. Is it possible there's something to that?
   14. Harry Balsagne, anti-Centaur hate crime division Posted: January 24, 2014 at 07:27 PM (#4645991)
Wow, and to think not long ago this happened:

When Knoblauch returned to the Metrodome in 2001 with the Yankees, he took his spot in left field, and frustrated Twins fans took aim, pelting him with hot dogs, beer bottles and quarters. The game was halted and umpires threatened to declare it a forfeit.

"It hurt," he said. "I mean, I'm human. I can't even give you any details. It was like an out-of-body experience ... that's the part of my life that's like, 'Really?' It really meant that much? You're trying to hurt me, knowingly throwing a quarter or a marble or something at me? It's twisted. It made me bitter about Minnesota, definitely."


I remember Tom Kelly walking him out to his position like he was his momma.
   15. Poulanc Posted: January 24, 2014 at 07:41 PM (#4645998)
Well played, #10. Well played.
   16. bobm Posted: January 24, 2014 at 08:23 PM (#4646005)
[8] Spanning Multiple Seasons or entire Careers, From 1901 to 2013, For players in the saved report : (Spanning Multiple Seasons or entire Careers, From 1901 to 2013, Younger than 28, Played 50% of games at 2B, (requiring WAR_bat?30), sorted by greatest WAR Position Players: Results), From Age 29 to 98, sorted by greatest WAR Position Players

Player ages are computed as their age on June 30th

                                                       
Rk            Player WAR/pos   Age    PA   OPS      Pos
1         Joe Morgan    63.9 29-40  6729  .844   *4H/D5
2      Eddie Collins    59.8 29-43  7067  .845    *4/H6
3     Rogers Hornsby    51.2 29-41  4071 1.044  *4/H593
4          Pete Rose    49.5 29-45 11105  .775 3579/H84
5          Rod Carew    46.5 29-39  6219  .840  *34H/D7
6       Lou Whitaker    40.1 29-38  5224  .818    *4H/D
7      Ryne Sandberg    36.2 29-37  4569  .823    *4/HD
8        Bobby Grich    33.5 29-37  4651  .808 *4/3H5D6
9    Willie Randolph    30.2 29-37  4806  .723    *4/HD
10    Roberto Alomar    27.1 29-36  4637  .825    *4/HD
11    Frankie Frisch    23.3 29-38  4958  .783   *45/H6
12      Billy Herman    22.1 29-37  3847  .760   *4/53H
13        Joe Gordon    21.6 31-35  2753  .790    *4/H6
14       Bobby Doerr    20.7 29-33  2992  .851     *4/H
15      Tony Lazzeri    16.6 29-35  3064  .814  *4/56H7
16       Larry Doyle    14.9 29-33  2325  .720     *4/H
17   Chuck Knoblauch     6.8 29-33  2814  .746   *47/DH
18    Dustin Pedroia     6.5 29-29   724  .787     *4/H


   17. Lars6788 Posted: January 24, 2014 at 08:53 PM (#4646013)
Knoblauch was a fundamentally solid player with the Twins but when he got New York, he got fat, probably partied too hard and tried to overcompensated with PEDs.
   18. CFiJ Posted: January 26, 2014 at 11:03 AM (#4646424)
I was at the game prior to the hotdog game. It was already showing signs of ugliness. Massive boos whenever Knoblauch came to bat. Some eleven year old boys shouting, "Hit 'im in the head!" It was like, jeez, you brats don't even remember 1991. Why the hate?
   19. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: January 26, 2014 at 11:34 AM (#4646432)
Some eleven year old boys shouting, "Hit 'im in the head!" It was like, jeez, you brats don't even remember 1991. Why the hate?


Those kids were just recently born in '91. Of course they don't remember, you bozo.
   20. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: January 26, 2014 at 11:50 AM (#4646435)
My recollection is that the "trinity" of great 2B in his generation consisted of Knoblauch, Alomar, and Baerga. If they were going to overpay for late-career, the Yankees actually probably signed the right one.
   21. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 26, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4646439)
My recollection is that the "trinity" of great 2B in his generation consisted of Knoblauch, Alomar, and Baerga. If they were going to overpay for late-career, the Yankees actually probably signed the right one.


All three of those guys ended up in New York to close out their careers.

You gotta love the Mets.
   22. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: January 26, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4646444)
If they weren't a team, we'd have to invent them.
   23. Jeff R., P***y Mainlander Posted: January 26, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4646483)
I was at the game prior to the hotdog game. It was already showing signs of ugliness. Massive boos whenever Knoblauch came to bat. Some eleven year old boys shouting, "Hit 'im in the head!" It was like, jeez, you brats don't even remember 1991. Why the hate?


My memory of his last couple of years in Minnesota is that Chuck demanded a long-term contract (5 years, I think? A lot of years back then) and then demanded a trade after the next season. So yeah, when you agitate for a long-term contract because you deserve respect for the years you've given for the franchise and then decide you want to pull the plug 12 months later, yeah, you're going to get some #### from the fans.
   24. Manny Coon Posted: January 26, 2014 at 02:47 PM (#4646490)
Is this the first time an admitted steroid user has been elected to a Hall of Fame -- any Hall of Fame?


The WWE Hall of Fame is likely full of them, as would any other any other Hall of Fame associated with Pro Wrestling.

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