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Saturday, January 10, 2009

CJR: Garber: A veteran sports columnist meets—and shrugs off—Internet outrage

Hey…how the hell did Bizz Bussinger get a HOF vote?

So…what’s it like to see your vote—and a column whose traditional audience is generally limited to retirees—met with such Web-based outrage?

Not so bad, actually. “It doesn’t bother me,” Corky Simpson told me, “because, one, I’m too old, and my skin is too thick, and I’m a stubborn old mule from Missouri.”

And also because Simpson simply doesn’t spend much time on the Web, he says, so is pretty much immune to the heated rhetoric that often permeates its (virtually anonymous) conversations. “I think of the literature on the Internet in the same way that I think of the literature on the walls of public bathrooms,” Simpson told me. “With the exception that the literature on the walls of public bathrooms is a little higher class.”

...Still, though, Simpson thinks, the anger directed at him is absurd. He’s just one guy, he says—his vote isn’t going to keep Henderson out of the HOF, so why make such a big deal about it? “No one in the history of baseball has ever gotten into the Hall of Fame on a unanimous vote,” he notes. “I mean, we’re talking about Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb and Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson—nobody. And if anyone out there thinks that Rickey Henderson can carry one of those guys’ shoes, he’s crazy.”

And he laughs off charges that the Henderson omission was a publicity stunt. “You couldn’t possibly sit down and say, ‘How could this ballot be controversial?’” Simpson says. His Rickey-less ballot was a simple, classic slip-up, nothing more. And the attempts to read more into it—publicity, senility, whatever—only validate, as far as Simpson is concerned, his take on the Web: “The Internet is like a sewer. It’s very necessary, but you wouldn’t want to spend a lot of time there.”

Repoz Posted: January 10, 2009 at 05:26 AM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Alex Vila Posted: January 10, 2009 at 05:38 AM (#3048200)
Guess a lot of us are crazy.
   2. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: January 10, 2009 at 05:43 AM (#3048203)
“With the exception that the literature on the walls of public bathrooms is a little higher class.”
Corky Simpson's day at the library
   3. The Voice of America Posted: January 10, 2009 at 05:51 AM (#3048205)
What a jerk! He obviously hasnt read Primer, where the brightest minds in the history of humanity come to make fun of old people like him.
   4. ekogan Posted: January 10, 2009 at 06:45 AM (#3048217)
“With the exception that the literature on the walls of public bathrooms is a little higher class.”

It only goes as high up as Uranus.
Which is pretty high up, one has to admit.
Higher than a baseball goes anyway.
   5. robneyer Posted: January 10, 2009 at 07:33 AM (#3048231)
Those who write on bathroom walls,
Roll their **** in tiny balls.
Those who read these words of wit,
Eat those tiny balls of ****.
   6. Baldrick Posted: January 10, 2009 at 07:44 AM (#3048236)
The juxtaposition here is amazing. We have Grandpa Simpson, the Ghost of HOF-voting past, complaining about the kids on his lawn. And Rob Neyer, the Ghost of HOF-voting future composing dirty scatological rhymes.
   7. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: January 10, 2009 at 07:51 AM (#3048237)
And he laughs off charges that the Henderson omission was a publicity stunt. “You couldn’t possibly sit down and say, ‘How could this ballot be controversial?’” Simpson says. His Rickey-less ballot was a simple, classic slip-up, nothing more. And the attempts to read more into it—publicity, senility, whatever—only validate, as far as Simpson is concerned, his take on the Web: “The Internet is like a sewer. It’s very necessary, but you wouldn’t want to spend a lot of time there.”
Senility. I hadn't seen that mentioned as a possibility before, but it fits, too.

Whereas "slip-up" does not. For one thing, what on earth does it mean? He meant to check Rickey's name off, but his pen slipped and he checked Dawson instead? And since he was using pen, he couldn't correct it? For another, it doesn't match his first explanation.

Indeed, if you read this post, he's still trying to say that Rickey wasn't that good. (True, Rickey wasn't as good as Babe Ruth, but that isn't really what Simpson is saying. Plus, it's stupid logic under any circumstances (why would Ruth's vote have any bearing on whether one voted for Rickey), and especially in the case of Ruth, who wasn't unanimous because of the setup of the vote.
   8. Greg (U)K Posted: January 10, 2009 at 07:59 AM (#3048239)
In a previous statement didn't he say someone told him before he sent out the ballot that he had left off Henderson, and he didn't bother to change it...that sounds thought out and not a "slip-up" at all.

I agree that publicity and senility aren't likely explainations, to me the most reasonable explanation is that he doesn't take Hall of Fame voting that seriously.
   9. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 10, 2009 at 08:19 AM (#3048240)
I'd be embarrassed to be that unembarrassed.
   10. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 10, 2009 at 08:59 AM (#3048245)
Reading the comments excerpted, and more of the others on the site (and sadly, some here), and I'm not sure it's Corky who needs to be embarrassed.
   11. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: January 10, 2009 at 12:40 PM (#3048258)
Here I sit broken hearted...
Did my ballot problems started...
Next time I think I'll take a chance...
and think ahead, oops! **** my pants.

Best Regards

John
   12. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: January 10, 2009 at 01:00 PM (#3048259)
Senility. I hadn't seen that mentioned as a possibility before, but it fits, too.

Whereas "slip-up" does not.


Maybe the guy just a had brain fart. Granted, that's more like brain crap-your-britches, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's losing his mental faculties.

Reading the comments excerpted, and more of the others on the site (and sadly, some here), and I'm not sure it's Corky who needs to be embarrassed.


Sadly, I agree with this. At his age, he apparently understands there's better things to do than worry about people who are outraged that Rickey Henderson will miss unanimous induction by a few decimals.
   13. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 10, 2009 at 01:32 PM (#3048260)
Sadly, I agree with this. At his age, he apparently understands there's better things to do than worry about people who are outraged that Rickey Henderson will miss unanimous induction by a few decimals.


I'd rather Corky not worry about voting at all and leave it to others who take it more seriously.
   14. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: January 10, 2009 at 02:20 PM (#3048267)
To stay juvenile - this guy isn't worth our time - he's just being a #### about a guy who he thought was a ####. Case closed.
   15. bunyon Posted: January 10, 2009 at 02:34 PM (#3048269)
I really think a lot of the older folks out there just don't know where to go on the Net. I know my Dad has trouble navigating it (not navigating so much as finding "good" sites and avoiding "bad" ones). He occasionally finds stuff and likes it and I've pointed him in a few directions but he is very, very turned off by most comments sections (and has, therefore, avoided BTF although my dream is to see him and Harveys get into it over, well, anything; I think they'd have a lot of fun. But I digress.)

My point is that depending on where on looks on the web one could easily come away with the impression that it's a hellish place. That will probably shift over time, obviously, but I can certainly understand seeing crappy stuff, getting turned off and never giving it another shot. Sort of how I feel about Philadelphia.
   16. zfan Posted: January 10, 2009 at 03:21 PM (#3048276)
Let's be clear. Rob Neyer did not compose that poem, he merely repeated it. This is not an accusation of plagiarism, as Mr. Neyer did not claim it to be an original. The following, on the other hand...

Bathroom wall ditty in honor of Rob Neyer:
If you sit there feeling hurt
****ing 'neath your flannel shirt,
Give this number a quickie call.
Now I'll stop writing about base balls.
   17. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: January 10, 2009 at 05:06 PM (#3048304)
Every time I read another article about him, he points out that no one else was unanimous. In a previous article he specifically pointed out the number of votes each all time great fell short.

I don't see how you can read it as anything other than making sure Rickey isn't the first.
   18. greenback Posted: January 10, 2009 at 05:51 PM (#3048313)
I don't see how you can read it as anything other than making sure Rickey isn't the first.

I'd wish he just say that then. It's hard for him to claim the high road if he can't be honest about his intentions.
   19. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 10, 2009 at 06:29 PM (#3048346)
I'd wish he just say that then. It's hard for him to claim the high road if he can't be honest about his intentions.


He didn't because staddling the "oops! I screwed up" line will give him less grief than if he was truly honest about his intentions.
   20. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 10, 2009 at 06:31 PM (#3048348)
“I mean, we’re talking about Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb and Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson—nobody. And if anyone out there thinks that Rickey Henderson can carry one of those guys’ shoes, he’s crazy.”


Robinson was a great player and would have deserved enshrinement based solely on his stats, but Henderson had the better career.
   21. Lassus Posted: January 10, 2009 at 06:41 PM (#3048355)
Are there anywhere any reasons from anyone who was voting as to why even among the opening class there were no unanimous votes?
   22. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 10, 2009 at 07:47 PM (#3048399)
Are there anywhere any reasons from anyone who was voting as to why even among the opening class there were no unanimous votes?


The early HOF elections had a lot of quality candidates to choose from since there was a major backlog, so that's one reason why there weren't any unanimous selections right from the start. The rules weren't carved in stone yet, so you had voters placing active players on their ballots for a while, too.
   23. base ball chick Posted: January 10, 2009 at 09:26 PM (#3048518)
you guys got better poems on your bathroom walls then we do

now corky gonna get all immortal along with 8675309

i saw it
i saw it
i saw it on the walllll
for a dumb vote
for a dumb vote
callllllll
   24. Davo Malvolio Posted: January 10, 2009 at 10:56 PM (#3048572)
Are there anywhere any reasons from anyone who was voting as to why even among the opening class there were no unanimous votes?
In addition to John's comments... If you asked 230 sportswriters in 1936 to name the 10 best players of all-time, how likely is it that one player would be on all 230 ballots? Heck, if we asked 230 BBTF posters to do that, would anyone besides Ruth be unanimous?
   25. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 10, 2009 at 11:12 PM (#3048583)
Heck, if we asked 230 BBTF posters to do that, would anyone besides Ruth be unanimous?


Ruth might not even be unanimous. After all, he did take steroids :)

-- MWE
   26. Crispix Attacks Posted: January 10, 2009 at 11:15 PM (#3048584)
Ruth and Arky Vaughan would be unanimous, of course.

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