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Saturday, June 22, 2019

Clayton Kershaw Isn’t His Old Self ... but Hyun-Jin Ryu Is Clayton Kershaw’s Old Self.

Ryu is a prolific commercial pitchman, and this noodles spot is his masterpiece, notable for two reasons. First is the hysterically ersatz Kershaw cheering Ryu on in the dugout, with a fake beard so outrageous there’s about a 6 percent chance it’s not a caricature of Kershaw at all, but instead an homage to Jan Rubes in Witness. Second, when Ryu takes an overhand scoop into the pot of noodles, he does it with his right hand, not his left. That’s because Ryu, like Billy Wagner, Michael Vick, and Rich Hill before him, throws with his left hand but does everything else—including eating—with his right. Ryu is putting on a historically great command pitching performance, and he’s doing it with his nondominant hand.

The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: June 22, 2019 at 12:38 PM | 39 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Howie Menckel Posted: June 22, 2019 at 03:44 PM (#5854997)
Ryu is putting on a historically great command pitching performance, and he’s doing it with his nondominant hand.

it is frustrating for this southpaw to know that most of the great left-handed golfers - including Bob Charles and Phil Mickelson - are really right-handed.

per Golf Digest, the only real lefty to win a major playing lefty is Bubba Watson.

the lefties who won majors playing righty: Johnny Miller, Greg Norman, Curtis Strange, Nick Price, David Graham, and Byron Nelson.
   2. Nasty Nate Posted: June 22, 2019 at 04:24 PM (#5855006)
Is Rickey a lefty in everyday life?
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: June 22, 2019 at 09:42 PM (#5855090)
if that's a subtle Rickie "Choker" Fowler joke, here's an answer
he shot 110 from the tips at Jupiter CC playing left-handed in 2016. that's not bad for the "wrong side"

fyi, there are 7 current PGA Tour pros who play left-handed - but none on the LPGA Tour, which has had one lefty player ever win an event (not a major, an event). and that was in the 1970s.
   4. Nasty Nate Posted: June 22, 2019 at 09:50 PM (#5855093)
I was actually asking about Rickey Henderson! He, of course, batted righty but threw lefty.
   5. Nasty Nate Posted: June 22, 2019 at 09:54 PM (#5855096)
Fowler is great at was he does: shaking hands with the winner after the 72nd hole.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: June 22, 2019 at 10:52 PM (#5855113)
I've long suspected I should have batted LH despite my righty-ness. I used to shoot LH in hockey as that always felt most natural for some reason. But in baseball, we were all trying to be Ernie Banks -- I should have known better, my first real glove was an old Billy Williams -- plus I was RH so obviously I should hit RH. Anyway, years later I came to the conclusion my swing is at least much smooter lefty but it was too late by then and all I could do was hit weak liners (but they were liners). Maybe if I'd started out that way I'd have been Larry Walker. Sure, probably not given my complete lack of elite physical talent in any way but a man approaching 60 can still dream about what might have been.
   7. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: June 22, 2019 at 10:57 PM (#5855115)
This came up in a OT Soccer thread (IIRC) handed/footed is a weird thing.

I'm clearly right handed, but I got a bit of carpal tunnel in my right arm about 20 years ago and started using my mouse with my left hand. Don't know why, but it felt natural and it stuck. If I had a dollar for every time someone has come up to my desk and asked ... "Oh, so you're left-handed?".

And I can hit from the left side as well, it's not the same as from the right, it's contact versus power, middle versus pull, but it doesn't feel unnatural at all.

But throwing left handed?

Trying to throw left handed feels like a drunk space alien has taken over my body, I could tell you which muscles engage when I throw right handed, I can feel them just thinking about it, I know what needs to happen when I throw from the left ... but. it. just. won't.
   8. Howie Menckel Posted: June 22, 2019 at 11:06 PM (#5855117)
I used to shoot LH in hockey as that always felt most natural for some reason.

I am lefty and my twin is righty - both extremely so (we are opposite in virtually everything, which may be why we have always gotten along so well except that time when he kicked me and broke my finger around age 14 and the time when I angrily chased him down around the same age only to have him barely get home and lock the front door which led me to bang so hard on the glass that it broke and I needed 9 stitches in my wrist after hitting a vein. But I digress).

anyway, around age 9 or so we got our first hockey sticks (pond hockey rules!) and my parents just knew to get one of each. we instinctively started playing with the "wrong" sticks and didn't notice until the other pond kids - all righty - noticed that for once I was on 'their team.' we stuck to our guns, until puberty hit and the "no lifting" of shots (due to lack of hockey equipment) started proving unworkable.

we kind of felt like the dinosaurs did when they saw that big meteor coming - "well, we had a good run!"
   9. puck Posted: June 23, 2019 at 11:59 AM (#5855148)
6 walks in 99 innings...what's going on with Ryu this season?

Rockies "bombed" him for 3 runs (most he's allowed in a start this season), but the Dodgers won on a walk off for the second night in a row.
   10. Man o' Schwar Posted: June 23, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5855156)
I'm clearly right handed, but I got a bit of carpal tunnel in my right arm about 20 years ago and started using my mouse with my left hand. Don't know why, but it felt natural and it stuck. If I had a dollar for every time someone has come up to my desk and asked ... "Oh, so you're left-handed?".

I'm right handed and tried to teach myself to use the mouse with my left hand. I figured it would be great to be able to mouse around with the screen with 1 hand while simultaneously writing with the other.

Didn't take. I tried for 2 months, never got any better at it. Whatever it is in your brain that makes it possible to make your non-dominant hand learn to do things, I don't have it.
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: June 23, 2019 at 08:20 PM (#5855220)
wait, that's another thing. my right hand mans the mouse. it didn't occur to me initially BITD that there was an option, and it's too late now!
   12. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: June 23, 2019 at 08:37 PM (#5855225)
My youngest brother broke his right shoulderblade when he was two or three, right around the time he was learning to throw. He became an ace lefty pitcher for a little while, until inevitably he wasn't big enough and didn't throw hard enough anymore. He does everything else right handed.

I suppose most people around here have heard of this, but my pet theory is that people hit backwards, basically, due to convention. Anyway, if and when I have kids, I'm teaching them to bat lefty.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: June 23, 2019 at 08:50 PM (#5855228)
I suppose most people around here have heard of this, but my pet theory is that people hit backwards, basically, due to convention. Anyway, if and when I have kids, I'm teaching them to bat lefty.


A few years back, when my son was playing travel ball, I surveyed* many of the bat left/throw right ballplayers I encountered to determine the origin of the split (spurred by a conversation here with Guy M). There was some concern about being a strange middle-aged man walking up to young boys* and asking them about swinging, but I managed to stay off the registry.

What I found was that all but one of the righthanders had always batted lefthanded, and he did so for the same reason your younger brother did, an accident led him to swing from that side of the plate when he first started playing).

No one I spoke to said he hit lefty because of its structural advantages. This was as I expected, as my oldest son, who was very much a non-athlete, was a righty-throwing, lefty-hitting player simply because when he first picked up a bat, that was the side that felt comfortable.

* Actually, in many cases, I asked their dads.


   14. Hank Gillette Posted: June 24, 2019 at 03:06 PM (#5855423)
One I find odd: Gio González throws left, but bats right.

He can’t hit anyway, why bat from the right side and expose his left arm to be more likely to be hit by a pitch?
   15. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: June 24, 2019 at 03:23 PM (#5855430)
One I find odd: Gio González throws left, but bats right.

He can’t hit anyway, why bat from the right side and expose his left arm to be more likely to be hit by a pitch?


I believe Randy Johnson was the same way.
   16. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 24, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5855439)
One I find odd: Gio González throws left, but bats right.

He can’t hit anyway, why bat from the right side and expose his left arm to be more likely to be hit by a pitch?


I believe Randy Johnson was the same way.

and Koufax
   17. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 24, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5855440)

TFA is worth the read even if only for the ramen commercial featuring Ryu.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: June 24, 2019 at 03:53 PM (#5855444)
and Koufax


And Rickey!

IIRC, most of the TL/BR players in history were pitchers.
   19. Khrushin it bro Posted: June 24, 2019 at 04:56 PM (#5855473)
That computer image of the weirdly bearded Kershaw in the dugout is pretty funny.
   20. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 24, 2019 at 05:33 PM (#5855486)
IIRC, most of the TL/BR players in history were pitchers.

Bref lists 192 players who played in at least 100 games and TL/BR--158 were pitchers
   21. Belfry Bob Posted: June 25, 2019 at 10:07 AM (#5855624)
I am a lefty but hit right my entire childhood/adulthood. Don't know why, as my Dad was a lefty, too, so I didn't get it from him. When I started playing Ponce de Leon senior ball, I tried out hitting lefty at the cage, and discovered it wasn't at all 'unnatural'. So after 40 years of being a big guy (6 feet, 230) with a solid up-the-middle line drive doubles swing, I discovered I could be a lefty pull hitter and hit it out of the park occasionally. Wish I'd figured that out a lot sooner.
   22. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: June 25, 2019 at 12:19 PM (#5855667)
Bref lists 192 players who played in at least 100 games and TL/BR--158 were pitchers


This is super weird. Not only are they giving up the platoon advantage at bat, they're also giving it up on the mound.
   23. Baseballs Most Beloved Figure Posted: June 25, 2019 at 12:22 PM (#5855668)
I:
Write right handed.
Throw left-handed
Bat and Golf left handed
Play tennis right handed
Dribble a basketball right-handed
Shoot a basketball left handed
Bowl right handed
Played hockey right handed
Kick right footed
   24. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 25, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5855718)
Yeah, I'm similar: I write and eat left-handed, but I throw and hit right-handed. The whole idea of having a dominant hand, or being "really right-handed," seems nonsensical to me. Unless you do everything with the same hand, you don't have a dominant hand.
   25. SoSH U at work Posted: June 25, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5855727)
Yeah, I'm similar: I write and eat left-handed, but I throw and hit right-handed. The whole idea of having a dominant hand, or being "really right-handed," seems nonsensical to me. Unless you do everything with the same hand, you don't have a dominant hand.


I wouldn't agree with that. There's a big difference between batting righthanded and throwing righthanded, since the former involves two hands working together. If you write, throw and eat with the same hand, that strikes me as your dominant one, even if you swing the bat in a way that's historically been called "lefthanded." Batting isn't tied to handedness the same way that throwing or writing is.

In your case, I would say you are an example of not having a dominant hand. But I don't think that particular mix is all that common.
   26. BrianBrianson Posted: June 25, 2019 at 02:58 PM (#5855747)
I used to shoot LH in hockey as that always felt most natural for some reason.


Maybe you're Canadian ...
   27. JAHV Posted: June 25, 2019 at 04:28 PM (#5855799)
My right hand is dominant. I write, eat, throw, swing (hockey and baseball), and just generally will defer to my right hand any time it's necessary. I have learned to use my left hand, particularly in sports (it was very helpful in water polo to be able to use my left capably), but it never felt natural. Heck, despite playing baseball or softball all my life and using my left hand to catch, if I don't have a glove on, I will naturally use my right hand to catch something thrown at me.

I did force my two older sons to swing left-handed since I figured that would provide them an advantage in the long run. Of course, one lost interest in baseball shortly after teeball and the other turned to soccer. The one son I didn't force to hit left-handed is my baseball player.
   28. bachslunch Posted: June 25, 2019 at 05:47 PM (#5855835)
My dad is old enough that he went to Parochial School back when they forced lefties to learn how to do things right handed. He has remained right handed for most things but still does a couple things lefty (bowling being one of them).

Kind of an odd thing they used to do in Catholic Schools back then.
   29. Howie Menckel Posted: June 25, 2019 at 11:58 PM (#5855933)
yes, one of my uncles got stuck with the same in Catholic school - "you'll be a righty and like it!"

I was the only one of us 5 siblings to turn out to be left-handed, but I remember that it delighted him to see when I was a kid.
   30. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 26, 2019 at 12:13 AM (#5855935)
Why do we consider baseball "right handed batting" to be "right handed batting"? What about the stance speaks to the dominance of the right hand? Throwing with your dominant hand obviously makes sense. Batting from what is the "right handed" side of the plate does not intuitively overly involve your right hand opposed to your left.

I remember reading once while growing up that your dominant eye should be closer to the pitcher. So a right handed person should bat "left handed" so that their right eye would be closer to the pitcher.

I believe "RHB" is nothing more than historical accident and became the ingrained societal norm. Prove me wrong.
   31. Sweatpants Posted: June 26, 2019 at 12:38 AM (#5855937)
Why do we consider baseball "right handed batting" to be "right handed batting"? What about the stance speaks to the dominance of the right hand? Throwing with your dominant hand obviously makes sense. Batting from what is the "right handed" side of the plate does not intuitively overly involve your right hand opposed to your left.

I remember reading once while growing up that your dominant eye should be closer to the pitcher. So a right handed person should bat "left handed" so that their right eye would be closer to the pitcher.

I believe "RHB" is nothing more than historical accident and became the ingrained societal norm. Prove me wrong.
They used what is generally known as the "left-handed" batting stance, and there really is no argument that Pete Gray and Jim Abbott were anything but left-handed batters.
   32. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: June 26, 2019 at 02:33 AM (#5855938)
They followed the sinister path. And since they weighed as much as ducks, they were drowned as witches ...

QED.
   33. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: June 26, 2019 at 02:49 AM (#5855939)
Yeah, I'm similar: I write and eat left-handed, but I throw and hit right-handed. The whole idea of having a dominant hand, or being "really right-handed," seems nonsensical to me. Unless you do everything with the same hand, you don't have a dominant hand.


But ... I do. I'm right handed. There are things I do with my left hand (well even), but ... I'M HANDED. And so is almost everyone here (left or right). If *you* aren't that way, I am truly happy for you, but you're different ...
   34. SoSH U at work Posted: June 26, 2019 at 08:10 AM (#5855949)
Why do we consider baseball "right handed batting" to be "right handed batting"? What about the stance speaks to the dominance of the right hand? Throwing with your dominant hand obviously makes sense. Batting from what is the "right handed" side of the plate does not intuitively overly involve your right hand opposed to your left.


I think the tendency to bat what we think of as righthanded is correlated with being righthanded, but not nearly as strongly as single-hand tasks such as writing or throwing. I'd say when the average person who throws righthanded picks up a bat to swing for the first time, he's more likely to do so righthanded than lefthanded, but not nearly as likely to do so as he would be to also write righthanded or use the righthanded mouse or any other task that is done with a single hand.

And one reason we see so many more TR/BL than BL/TR players is not just because the sport favors the former, though it does*, but because there are simply many more people who qualify as the former.

Say, there's a 90 percent** correlation between how you throw and how you bat, and lefthanders represent about 10 percent of the population (which is the number I've often heard), if you have 100 ballplayers, you would have:

81 TR/BR
9 TR/BL
9 TL/BL
1 TL/BR

* Except in the one position where it really is least punitive, pitcher.

** The number itself isn't really that meaningful. If it's an 80 percent correlation, it would change these to 18 TR/BL to 2 TL/BR guys.

   35. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: June 26, 2019 at 09:37 AM (#5855963)
Why do we consider baseball "right handed batting" to be "right handed batting"? What about the stance speaks to the dominance of the right hand? Throwing with your dominant hand obviously makes sense. Batting from what is the "right handed" side of the plate does not intuitively overly involve your right hand opposed to your left.
Visualize taking a batting stance and swinging using only one arm. In either case you'd instinctively pick the trailing hand, correct? And would almost certainly have better control and power than using the leading hand. I think that's basically the reason.
   36. PreservedFish Posted: June 26, 2019 at 09:48 AM (#5855965)
Yes, it's rather like a tennis forehand vs a one-handed backhand.
   37. PreservedFish Posted: June 26, 2019 at 09:59 AM (#5855971)
eh
   38. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: June 26, 2019 at 11:36 AM (#5856004)
Yes, it's rather like a tennis forehand vs a one-handed backhand.


I think there's also an element to standing with your off-foot forward as well. In skateboarding and snowboarding, right-dominant people normally stand on the board with their left foot forward. If you are right-dominant and stand the other way, then you have a "goofy" stance (that's the actual term). You also put your left foot forward for a track start. I'm trying to think of a counter-example, but I'm coming up blank.
   39. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 26, 2019 at 01:43 PM (#5856080)
Yes, an orthodox (righty) boxing stance also has the left foot forward. Thus your power punches are coming from your dominant hand.

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