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I think Swan pitched for the Mets in the 70s.
At least with Clemens there isn't the pompous pretention that if you didn't know Messi, you were a provincial bordering on defective.
Sean Bean is the only one my wife didn't recognize.
Sean Bean was awesome as the prime villain in the Red Riding trilogy. He's a talent of substance.
Bean and Witherspoon – and Vidal Sassoon – are the only others I've heard of.
I know all of those names except Rancic, Barker, and Jenner. Now, that doesn't mean I can tell you more than a two word description about most of them, or that I'd recognize some of them if I tripped over them. But I know their names, because I'm not oblivious. If I were on their juries, I could be objective because I don't care about just about any of them, or know details of their lives, but I couldn't say "Never heard of them."
As for Andy's continued attempts at poor analogies: soccer is not equivalent to baseball. If you're an American, you can easily go your whole life without reading anything about soccer or seeing more than 30 seconds on tv. But baseball is heavily covered. I'm not saying everyone cares about baseball. Some are indifferent, some can't stand it. People might turn off the tv when baseball comes on, or even when baseball highlights come on. People might flip past those articles in the paper. But that doesn't mean they don't see the headlines.
Music -- if you don't listen to a particular type of music, you may never encounter it. There isn't a music segment on the local news every day. There isn't a music section of the paper every day.
This is crazy talk. Women who can consistently lead Hollywood movies are bigger names than Roger Clemens. So are pop stars that sell the number of records and fill radio air time that Rhianna does.
Baseball is a niche entertaiment -- which is what we hear all the time when people try to justify the low World Series TV ratings. People are ignoring Roger Clemens on those 500+ cable channels, and thousands of websites even more than they're ignoring the World Series. Hell, there are probably thousands of people who went to the mallpark when Clemens was playing that don't know who he is.
I think recency is probably a big deal when it comes to how well-known a celebrity is.
Next time Repoz runs a '60s Legion of Super-Heroes or Superman cover or panel, you & your ignorant ilk need to avert your vile, filthy eyes. You are not worthy to gaze upon such artistry.
Yep, especially for TV show actors. The ones I can name by name are few and far between, even on the shows I watch a lot of. I am also singularly bad at remembering names of band members (unless they are in the band name...). I have three Blink 182CDs, and didn't recognize the name Travis Barker until somebody else pointed it out...
The only one I do not know is Anna Wintour. However, I have a wife who leaves the People magazine in the bathroom and also has Extra on in the background in the afternoon, plus I have 4 kids under 15. I've picked up most of them through osmosis.
It could be worse. I had a former GF whose sister used to spend hours a day clipping coupons and re-arranging the boxes of cereal and hair spray she'd gotten for 50% off. I am not making this up.
Oh, and Andy, I find it hard to believe you don't know who Mariska Hargitay is.
Upon googling her, I can confirm that my ignorance of her existence was 100% complete up until now. Though I had heard of her mother Jayne Mansfield from movies of long, long ago, and do remember how her parents died.
Chris Brown: Another famous singer, also famous for beating up Rihanna (see above)
Anna Wintour: Editor of Vogue
Ellen Pompeo: Actor (star of television show Grey's Anatomy)
Russell Brand: Actor/Comedian (British; starred in that awful Arthur remake, also Get Him to the Greek)
Reese Witherspoon: Actor (Legally Blonde; won an Oscar for playing June Carter Cash in Walk the Line)
Kris Jenner: Reality Show Person (Top Kardashian; married to Bruce Jenner, who I assume everyone here has heard of)
Mariska Hargitay: Actor (a main character Law & Order; also Jayne Mansfield's daughter)
Ali Wentworth: Actor
Miranda Kerr: Model (Victoria's Secret)
Travis Barker: Musician (drummer for Blink-182 and the Aquabats)
Giulana Rancic: Generic Celebrity (anchor on E! News Daily; married to Bill Rancic, the winner of the first season of The Apprentice)
Sean Bean: Actor (Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones)
Juliana Hough: Dancer (won Dancing With the Stars twice; also acted in that remake of Footloose)
Vidal Sassoon: Hairdresser (had a famous line of hair products; died yesterday)
You shouldn't have to keep up with People magazine to know who Oscar-Winner Reese Witherspoon is.
(EDIT: Hargitay is on Law & Order SVU, not the original.)
Rihanna - R&B singer, not too bad, actually
Chris Brown - R&B or maybe rap star? Famous for beating up Rihanna among other things
Anna Wintour - Didn't know
Ellen Pompeo - Star of TV's Grey's Anatomy
Russell Brand - British comedian and possibly radio host? Been in several movies
Reese Witherspoon - Actress, possibly Oscar nominated
Kris Jenner - Kardashian mom
Mariska Hargitay - Law & Order SVU and JAYNE MANSFIELD'S DAUGHTER, Andy
Ali Wentworth - Actress of some sort, don't know too much
Miranda Kerr - Country singer?
Travis Barker - That motorcyle show, I think
Giulana Rancic - Reality star, but I have no idea why
Sean Bean - Actor, Lord of the Rings, Mirror Mirror, etc.
Juliana Hough - Dancing with the Stars dancer/country music/actress
Vidal Sassoon - Makeup or fashion or something
EDIT: And apparently in looking them up I was wrong about Miranda Kerr (was thinking Miranda Lambert) and Travis Barker (was thinking of American Chopper for some reason
Hargitay has, assuming that things on TV haven't changed much since I dropped cable in early 2005, been on some (pretty darned good, at least back then) variant of Law & Order for years & years. You might've actually heard of her parents, Mickey Hargitay & Jayne Mansfield, since I gather their notoriety precedes JFK's presidency.
As for the others, any info I could provide has pretty much already been posted. Witherspoon is a popular &, from what I've seen (Pleasantville & Election come immediately to mind, & I think Sweet Home Alabama as well) pretty capable actress. Bean has done a very solid job in several movies as well, not all (or maybe even any) of them popular fluff of the sort that Witherspoon largely specializes in.
I own none, & the fact that I'm the one who could identify him makes me hate myself. (Though they've had some decent songs; I'm not nearly the musical elitist that I probably come off as in most music threads.)
Rihanna - Singer.
Chris Brown - Singer who beat up his girlfriend, Rihanna.
Anna Wintour - Fashion editor.
Ellen Pompeo - Actress. Grey's Anatomy.
Russell Brand - Katy Perry's husband. Or ex-husband. No idea what he's famous for.
Reese Witherspoon - Actress.
Kris Jenner - no idea.
Mariska Hargitay - Actress on L&O SVU. Also Jayne Mansfield's daughter, which might be more Andy's speed.
Ali Wentworth - Actress.
Miranda Kerr - whoops, missed that one. No idea who she is, either.
Travis Barker - no idea.
Giulana Rancic - no idea
Sean Bean - Actor. LOTR and GOT, among others.
Juliana Hough - Dancing with the stars. Probably something else, or she wouldn't be a "star."
Vidal Sassoon - Hair.
EDIT: Coke to Monty. Swear I didn't see his post before posting. I might owe him several cokes, after how close our descriptions were.
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Double points for this, for not really knowing either Chris Brown.
Russell Brand: is going to host the MTV Movie Awards.
Vidal Sassoon: Died
David, in many American newspapers and non-sports TV networks there's more coverage of major soccer tournaments (the Olympics and the World Cup) than there is of the World Series. It's a painful fact, but it's still a fact. You can easily flip the channel or turn the pages, but you can also flip or turn upon seeing any mention of baseball, and many people do just that.
But answer this: Do you seriously think that Roger Clemens' name recognition exceeds the 80% I'd previously guesstimated as its upper level of possibility? That's an extremely high number, but it still leaves tens of millions of non-recognizers.
EDIT: Also, "Get Him to the Greek," with Jonah Hill, who played Paul DePodesta in a subsequent film, only he wasn't called Paul DePodesta. That's the Kevin Bacon-ish baseball connection. Now try to come up with six degrees, or five, four, three or two, of separation for the others on the list.
The reason he wanted to do it was so that Helen Mirren could do the John Gielgud role. Because (he says) he fell in love with her while doing Julie Taymor's The Tempest.
Not one of the people I could've identified, but I have to say that I find his ideas intriguing & would like to subscribe to his newsletter.
Probably pretty close. I'm 52 with 0 kids & no spouse.
You, I gather, are ... 123?
Anna Wintour rather vociferously disinvited Kim Kardashian from some swanky fashion gala at the Met, basically saying she was too trashy for the event. That's probably why she's on there.
The scariest thing about that crappily-written sentence is that the comma at the end indicates there's even more of it.
I have watched many episodes of L&O SVU, and until this moment I did not know that.
42, single, no children. But I like to keep up on current events.
Chris Brown - Very famous singer who once dated Rihanna and was accused of beating her up.
Anna Wintour - Fashion editor of Vogue
Ellen Pompeo - Lead actress on Grey's Anatomy.
Russell Brand - Comedian/actor once married to Katy Perry. Seen in "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" and "Arthur"
Reese Witherspoon - Famous actress in numerous movies - "Legally Blonde", "Sweet Home Alabama", was married to actor Ryan Phillipe
Kris Jenner - Mother/manager of the Kardashian girls, married to former Olympian Bruce Jenner
Mariska Hargitay - Actress on Law and Order. Daughter of actress Jayne Mansfield.
Ali Wentworth - Actress/comedienne. Married to George Stephanpolous, regular contributor on Oprah.
Miranda Kerr - Victoria Secret supermodel.
Travis Barker - Musician in Blink 182. Was once married to Playboy model Shanna Moakler who he starred in a reality show with "Meet the Barkers."
Giulana Rancic - E! host and stars in the reality show "Giulana and Bill" with her husband, Apprentice winner Bill Rancic
Sean Bean - Actor in lots of good movies.
Juliana Hough - Dancer on "Dancing with the Stars", now a country music star. Dating Ryan Seacrest.
Vidal Sassoon - Legendary hair stylist.
And Academy Award winner ("Walk the Line")
Never seen her traits.
DB
Either I'm an outlier or the age on the kids needs to be raised - mine are 11 and 9, and there's no doubt in my mind they'd both go 0-for-15. Okay, they've seen LOTR so maybe they'd know Sean Bean was in it, but they'd have no idea which character he played.
Andy, I've got to admit, I'm a bit surprised you're not more familiar with Witherspoon. Rihanna/Brown are likely more famous still (and Rihanna has come up here before, she used to date Matt Kemp).
^ 38, married (my wife would probably know only about five of these, she's not up on pop culture at all), two preschoolers.
^^ This is where I would give disclaimers, but I don't feel like it.
People actually watched this movie?
Also, her father was a famous body builder. (At least, "famous" to weird people who are into body building. I can't actually recall his name.)
Either I'm an outlier or the age on the kids needs to be raised - mine are 11 and 9, and there's no doubt in my mind they'd both go 0-for-15. Okay, they've seen LOTR so maybe they'd know Sean Bean was in it, but they'd have no idea which character he played.
I think you're doing an excellent job of raising those two kids of yours. Keep it up. Our goddaughter is 10 and I hope she'd do as well.
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I^ recognize every name, though Kerr is only name recognition and a few others (Pompeo, Wintour, Jenner, and Wentworth) you could exhaust my knowledge of them in a sentence or so. By and large, these are not people who do things that interest me, but I'm still familiar with them - I live in this world and all.
I think it mostly has to do with your primary sources of information. Mine are the Times, the Post, and the News Hour, which combined take up about 3 hours a day, nearly every day. But in the first two cases I mostly skip or just skim the Style sections. I supplement them with various internet websites, but since those are all self-selected I don't bump into too many TV stars or supermodels.
Andy, I've got to admit, I'm a bit surprised you're not more familiar with Witherspoon. Rihanna/Brown are likely more famous still (and Rihanna has come up here before, she used to date Matt Kemp).
I agree about Witherspoon, but I'm trying to catch up with movies I never saw at the time before getting into too many recent films. Part of the problem is that to see most newer movies you either have to go to the theater itself and suffer through all the extraneous BS, or you have to subscribe to a premium movie channel, which I don't. I started to use Netflix to keep somewhat more current, but then I've gotten bogged down in taking out a whole slew of 50's and 60's Japanese noir movies that rival anything that even the best of Hollywood has ever done. By the time I'm about 80 or 85 I'll hopefully have caught up with the best of post-1980 Hollywood. (smile)
In other words, you have to actually pay for the content.
Also survived a plane crash
In other words, you have to actually pay for the content.
My combined FIOS bill is $195.71 a month, plus about $45.00 a month more for Extra Innings during the baseball season. I'd pay for premium channels at the point I figured to be watching them more than about once or twice a week, but that point hasn't yet arrived.
And WRT to theaters, it's not the cost of the show, it's the hassle of parking in downtown Bethesda and the problem of having to sit through all the ads and previews if you want to get a good seat. If you like that sort of stuff, more power to you.
But I can recite a litany of bit playes and supporting actors from the '30s and '40s movies that would make you head spin. Howza 'bout that?
And? What does phone and internet have to do with cable?
You don't have to sit through the ads and previews. You can show up 18 minutes after the announced start time and settle right into the opening credits of the movie.
I don't understand why it's supposed to be a laudable goal to raise children that wouldn't recognize celebrated artists of their times. Rihanna has five Grammys (and a huge list of other awards and nominations); Chris Brown has a Grammy; Reese Witherspoon has an Oscar; Mariska Hargitay has an Emmy (and seven other nominations); Ellen Pompeo plays the title character of an extremely popular (and Emmy-winning) show. These are not insignificant people.
Shouldn't be too difficult with show biz types. Mariska Hargitay. Once appeared on Seinfeld (also, her mother was once mentioned on the show). From there you go directly to Keith Hernandez, Paul O'Neill, Bernie Williams... Sean Bean, was in Patriot Games with James Earl Jones, who was in Field of Dreams*. Rihanna, dated Matt Kemp. And so on.
Edit: * or better yet, with Harrison Ford, who will be playing Branch Rickey in the upcoming "42".
Actually, they pretty much are. (*)
Although they don't think of themselves in that way (**), since they're constantly giving themselves awards. See the Oscars and Grammys and Emmys.
In a just world the Razzies would be more their speed.
(*) Though I agree with your overall point that it makes no sense to raise children who are oblivious to the world around them.
(**) In the John Edwards trial, it's come out in testimony that Sean Penn et al. consulted on Edwards's apology speech re the mistress and baby.
For which performance do you believe Reese Witherspoon deserved a Razzie?
That said, I've been tempted to fill my five year old in who's doing the voiceover for character 'x' in that cartoon she watches, etc... - which I think means I'm tempted to be a horrible father. (Horribler?)
And? What does phone and internet have to do with cable?
About as much as your comment about having to "pay for" movies, as if the cable bill doesn't form a major part of the FIOS package.
And WRT to theaters, it's not the cost of the show, it's the hassle of parking in downtown Bethesda and the problem of having to sit through all the ads and previews if you want to get a good seat. If you like that sort of stuff, more power to you.
You don't have to sit through the ads and previews. You can show up 18 minutes after the announced start time and settle right into the opening credits of the movie.
That may work in uncrowded Manhattan, but in Bethesda if you try that strategy you'll wind up sitting in the middle of the second row, if you're even able to get a seat at all. Sorry, I'm a little more particular than that about where I sit.
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I think you're doing an excellent job of raising those two kids of yours. Keep it up. Our goddaughter is 10 and I hope she'd do as well.
I don't understand why it's supposed to be a laudable goal to raise children that wouldn't recognize celebrated artists of their times. Rihanna has five Grammys (and a huge list of other awards and nominations); Chris Brown has a Grammy; Reese Witherspoon has an Oscar; Mariska Hargitay has an Emmy (and seven other nominations); Ellen Pompeo plays the title character of an extremely popular (and Emmy-winning) show. These are not insignificant people.
Depends on whether they become so wrapped up in movies and TV (and social media, etc.) that they don't have time to pursue less mass-marketed or peer-driven pleasures. But obviously there's no one foolproof way to raise one's children, and the only way you'll know whether you're doing it right is when you see how they all come out in the end.
That said, I've been tempted to fill my five year old in who's doing the voiceover for character 'x' in that cartoon she watches, etc... - which I think means I'm tempted to be a horrible father. (Horribler?)
I make a great uncle and an even better godfather, but I won't even pretend to claim I really know a damn thing about raising children. For all I know, if we'd had children, they'd have been spending most of their evenings in pool rooms.
He also played the villain in "Patriot Games", the villain in "GoldenEye", and the cowardly fraud in "Ronin".
I had no idea that Bush wore a purity ring.
For the record, that hasn't been my goal - they're not interested in that stuff, and I don't care one way or the other.
That said, I'm not interested in having them watch Grey's Anotomy or especially L&O SVU. Come on. (I have no familiarity with Rihanna or Chris Brown's songs and don't know how family friendly they are)
Fair.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but chains and whips excite me.
Wasn't she still known as "Alexandra Wentworth" then?
But FTR, I'm 40 with 2 preschoolers.
Gene.
None of these compare IMO to Bean as Richard Sharpe in the series of programs made from the Sharpe historical fiction novels by Bernard Cornwell.
Here's the problem with comparing this list to Clemens - Roger Clemens became famous in 1986! How many of the people in the above list can say that? One: Vidal Sassoon. And Sassoon is the only person on this list who would clearly be better known than Roger Clemens.
Clemens isn't just a HOF pitcher. If he was, then we'd talk about him the way we talk about Gaylord Perry or Steve Carlton - and virtually no non-baseball fan would tell you in 2012 who Perry or Carlton are.
Rather, Clemens is a unique figure in history. Consider:
In 1986, he bursts onto the cover of Sports Illustrated by striking out 20 Mariners. Then, he wins the Cy Young Award and MVP award out of nowhere, and is the star of a Red Sox team that narrowly misses winning its first WS in 68 years in the most famous way possible. He was the starting pitcher in the Buckner Game - even my wife knows stuff about the Buckner Game.
The Mike Piazza beaning, then the whole f'ed up bat throwing thing.
Pitching in New York, in the World Series.
His early 2008 interview with Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes about steroids.
Ever since Canseco's book came out in 2005, Clemens has been commonly linked to the whole steroids thing. That was SEVEN years ago.
I'll say it again: If you have never heard of Roger Clemens, then I don't think you've been following the news much for the last year or 25...
Okay, now THAT I admit I probably should've known, though other than the main supporting attractions on that show (Wayne Knight, Jerry Stiller, Barney Martin, Liz Sheridan, John O' Hurley, Patrick Warburton, Janeane Garofalo and a few more) I don't associate the characters with the the names of particular actors.
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Hell, I watched every pitch of last year's World Series, and I have no idea what the hero "Freese"'s first name is without looking it up on BB-Reference.
Gene.
Can't fool me there. I know it's not Gene or George, since I would've then said to myself "Hey, that guy was playing in the 50's."
OTOH I know that "C.C." is Carsten Charles, "O.J." is Orenthal James, and "Cal" is Calvin Coolidge Julius Caesar Tuskahoma, so I'm not completely devoid of useful monikor information.
And I'll say it again: There are tens of millions of Americans who pay absolutely NO attention to the news of ANY type, let alone watch 60 minutes or the World Series. You'd have to have almost no contact with the outside world not to realize that sad but elementary fact.
That doesn't help your case here. He also stopped being relevant 5 years ago. That's a long time in people's memory.
Rihanna - Singer
Chris Brown - Singer and domestic abuser
Anna Wintour - No idea
Ellen Pompeo - No idea
Russell Brand - I knew he was Katy Perry's ex-husband but until just a couple days ago I would have assumed he was a musician. I happened to see the headline for an article about him lashing out at a heckler during his standup routine and read it so I learned that he's a comedian. Didn't know he acted though
Reese Witherspoon - Actress
Kris Jenner - No idea
Mariska Hargitay - Pretty sure she's an actress but couldn't name anything she is in
Ali Wentworth - No idea
Miranda Kerr - Recognized the name, assumed (wrongly apparently) that she is an actress
Travis Barker - Think he's Blink 182's drummer
Giulana Rancic - No idea
Sean Bean - Actor
Juliana Hough - Name is pretty familiar, assumed (wrongly again) that she is famous for acting
Vidal Sassoon - I was well aware of the line of haircare products but until the news about his death I had no idea that the name was an actual person as well
I'm 27 in a long-term relationship with no kids
I don't disagree with you that there are some people who don't follow any kind of news of any kind. My point is that those kind of people will disproportionately end up on juries for high-profile cases, and that these kind of people are generally not the people you'd want doing things like analyzing evidence and testimony, or deciding who goes to jail and who walks free. The OJ Simpson case was the worst one of all...the case was in SoCal - the same city where he won the Heisman trophy for USC. To be on that jury, you had to never:
1) Watch football,
2) Watch Airplane! or The Naked Gun franchise,
3) remember the Hertz rental car commercials,
4) watch shows like the Superstars in the 1970s, and
5) Oh yeah - not have watched the most famous car chase ever.
I'm not saying that there aren't 12 people in Southern California who fit these and other requirements - but think about who such a person probably is. WTF? How is this a "jury of one's peers"?
Rihanna - Used to date Matt Kemp.
Chris Brown - Used to date/beat Rihanna, who dated Matt Kemp.
Anna Wintour - Basis for character in The Devil Wears Prada played by Meryl Streep; Streep appeared in The Bridges of Madison County with Robert Redford; Redford played Roy Hobbs in The Natural.
Ellen Pompeo - Stars on Grey's Anatomy with Sandra Oh; Oh was in Sideways with Paul Giamatti; Giamatti was in Saving Private Ryan with Tom Hanks; Hanks starred in A League Of Their Own.
Russell Brand - Starred in Get Him To The Greek with Jonah Hill, who appeared with Royce Clayton in Moneyball. Also, formerly married to Katy Perry, who shares a birthday with Pedro Martinez.
Reese Witherspoon - Formerly married to Ryan Phillippe, who is a distant relative of Deacon Phillippe. I kid you not.
Kris Jenner - Married to Bruce Jenner; he was nominated for a Razzie for worst actor in 1980 for Can't Stop The Music; nominated for the same award 19 years later was Kevin Costner for For The Love Of The Game.
Mariska Hargitay - Worked with The Groundlings, and while there was coached on improv by Kathy Griffin; Griffin won the reality show Celebrity Mole in 2003 over Corbin Bernsen, who appeared in Major League.
Ali Wentworth - Appeared as Lee Emory, a public-relations manager brought in to improve the image of the fictional MLB team the Pioneers in the short-lived 1994 TV show Hardball.
Miranda Kerr - Married to Orlando Bloom, who appeared in the Lord of the Rings films with Sean Bean. See below.
Travis Barker - Recorded for ESPN a special version of the theme to Baseball Tonight.
Giuliana Rancic - Married to Bill Rancic, the first competitor to win The Apprentice, the reality show featuring Donald Trump, who played baseball at the New York Military Academy.
Sean Bean - Appeared in Patriot Games with Harrison Ford, who is portraying Branch Rickey in an upcoming film.
Julianne Hough - Starred in the remake of Footloose with Dennis Quaid, who starred in The Rookie.
Vidal Sassoon - Owned a salon with regular clientele including Alyssa Milano, who dated pretty much every baseball player ever. Also, Sassoon married actress Beverly Adams, who appeared in Gidget with Sally Field, who appeared in Forrest Gump with Tom Hanks, who starred in A League Of Their Own.
You could have got this one:
. . . one step quicker through Giamatti's dad.
I think you meant Out of Africa.
It probably wouldn't be very hard to rustle up dozens of mathematicians or philosophers who had no idea who Roger Clemens is*.
*) Hell, that's far too easy, it would be doable with Obama.
I find it interesting that some are still clinging to this view despite several people on this very thread admitting they have no idea who Anna Wintour is.
It's the exact same thing! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
Not knowing who Roger Clemens is demonstrates a certain obliviousness to the world around you. Which is no crime, of course, but I can certainly see how some people would think such a person shouldn't serve on a jury.
Yes, we know. That was never in dispute. The issue was that those people are retarded. (Or, as Steve Balboni put it more gently in post 29: "The challenge with such high-profile people in court cases like this is: Let's be honest. If you have never heard of Roger Clemens, you probably shouldn't be making decisions about whether or not somebody is going to jail.")
David, if that were really the issue, then why didn't you directly respond to my initial answer (in #31**) to that original post of his? Instead, you've spent all this time trying to disprove something you now concede was "never in dispute". To put it "gently", sniffing through the forest for the better part of 24 hours in pursuit of a scentless trail is not exactly a sign of an intelligent hunting dog.
As for the idea that not knowing who Roger Clemens is makes a person "retarded", or disqualifies a person for jury duty: I'll file that somewhere alongside your longtime support of Ron Paul, as being yet one more charming example of how your gentle mind can lead you down a road to nowhere when it thinks it knows something that it doesn't. Please don't ever change.
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Not knowing who Roger Clemens is demonstrates a certain obliviousness to the world around you. Which is no crime, of course, but I can certainly see how some people would think such a person shouldn't serve on a jury.
Hmmmm, what about someone who doesn't know and doesn't care who You are?
One of the jury trials I sat on involved an insurance company that I was a customer of. The judge simply asked me if I felt I could reach a verdict based on the evidence, not on my being a customer and I said I could and he let me in as did both lawyers.
Which all meant I could enjoy this exchange;
Lawyer: Mr. Smith, are you married?
Plaintiff: No.
L: I'm sorry, Mr. Smith, are you sure?
P: Oh, yes, yes I am.
L: Could you point out your wife to the court.
The plaintiff then wordlessly pointed to a very angry looking woman in the front row.
Really, one of the truly enjoyable moments of my life.
All baseball stuff that frankly only sports fans are going to know. Also, many people weren't alive or were infants when this happened.
Again, sports stories that didn't break through to mainstream news.
Unless you're under 50 you probably don't watch 60 Minutes.
Mostly a sports story. Broke through to mainstream news, but I'm sure most people don't know the names related to the story except for Barry Bonds.
Piffle. And you ignored the story that would probably have reached him in the mainstream public concsciousness - his alleged affair with Mindy McCready. She is arguably more famous than he is.
Hell, I've read this entire thread & I still have no idea. (Granted, I worked well past closing time yesterday & am even more exhausted, & thus even less attentive, than usual this morning, but still.) Some sort of writer?
Had no idea about any of those, never having seen them. I know him from some pretty good horror flicks -- The Dark, Silent Hill & Black Death -- along with Flightplan. (IMDb tells me he was also in The Island, which I need to rent one of these days. Ditto, I suppose, for the Hitcher remake, though I need to watch the original first.)
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