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Sunday, February 09, 2014

Coco Crisp staying with A’s

The Athletics have mutual strong feelings about their do-everything center fielder and speedy leadoff man, who is staying with the A’s for an additional two seasons after agreeing Friday to a new contract through 2016 that adds $22.75 million in guaranteed money.

Also a $13m option for 2017.

Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 09, 2014 at 11:10 PM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bug Selig Posted: February 10, 2014 at 06:57 AM (#4654075)
Whose option?
   2. I Am Not a Number Posted: February 10, 2014 at 08:46 AM (#4654081)
The Athletics have mutual strong feelings about their do-everything center fielder

It's not clear to me that the writer knows what mutual means.
   3. A triple short of the cycle Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:07 PM (#4654184)
That's great. Coco is the face (and the hair) of the franchise.
   4. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:24 PM (#4654205)
Career OPS+ of 98, 33 years old and already under contract. Sounds like an overpay to me.
   5. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:37 PM (#4654219)
Whether this is a good deal or not depends on how you rate Crisp's glove. The A's using whatever metrics/analysis at their disposal must think it's pretty good. What are teams' using these days to analyze defense?

edit: BTW, Crisp is roughly a 3 to 4 WAR player these days. He gets on base ok, runs well, plays good defense, has some pop. Just a good all around player. I think this is a fair deal with the team taking on a bit more of the risk because of age.
   6. valuearbitrageur Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM (#4654222)
$11m a year for an above average centerfielder is an overpay?

Edit: And a 107 OPS+ from a centerfielder is very good, which is what he's averaged in his last 4 years as an Oakland A.
   7. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:49 PM (#4654233)
Coco is fun. I approve.
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4654237)
Yay, more money for personal assistants.
   9. Danny Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:15 PM (#4654269)
I think Crisp would get a better deal than this if he were a free agent right now, so the question is whether the A's are getting enough of a discount given that he's still under contract for another year. It seems like a small overpay given that he'll be 35-36. But I love Coco, So I'm fine with that.

For an extremely quick and dirty look: Coco has 10 rWAR over the past 3 years. Since 1980, there are 7 other CFs who have put up 8-12 rWAR in their age 31-33 seasons. Here's how each of them fared at age 35-36:

The good
Ellis Burks: 8 WAR in 973 PA
Carlos Beltran: 6.3 WAR in 1219 PA
Johnny Damon: 7.2 WAR in 1239 PA

The bad
Chet Lemon: 2.4 WAR in 378 PA (retired after age-35 season after being diagnosed with rare spleen disease)
Willie McGee: 1.0 WAR in 393 PA

The ugly
Stan Javier: -.1 WAR in 838 PA
Dave Henderson: -0.6 WAR in 218 PA (retired after age-35 season)

I think the A's would be happy if Coco found some middle ground between the good and the bad.
   10. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: February 10, 2014 at 03:04 PM (#4654349)
The problem is that he's not had as good a career as either Lemon or McGee. I'm still in favor of it though. I've no idea why.
   11. esseff Posted: February 10, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4654378)
Crisp also has a marketability value to the A's.
   12. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: February 10, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4654387)
They also have some cushion to be able to absorb a bit of potential defensive decline from Covelli, with Cespedes and Reddick on either side of him, plus Gentry just entering Arb 1. All three of those guys are under team control through at least 2015.
   13. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: February 10, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4654409)
The trouble with Gentry and Reddick is that a huge chunk of their value is from defense, which means they're already declining. Neither is particularly young. Cespedes isn't old but he's somewhat brittle. This could be really ugly in a couple of years, but this team is built to win now so it's all fine with me.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: February 10, 2014 at 04:40 PM (#4654410)
1. Coco Crisp is one of the all-time great baseball names and so we should all be happy he'll be around for a few more years.

2. Weird that he just signed a bigger contract for age 35-36 while having little leverage than his 3-year contract to cover ages 32-34.

3. They're not perfect comps (different hitting style) but the first name that came to mind was Mike Cameron, who put up 6 WAR for 35-36.

4. On the other hand, his top b-r comp David DeJesus is a pretty good comp and the same age. DeJ a bit better with the bat, Coco better with the glove. I'd rather have Coco at this stage but DeJ signed this offseason for 2/10.5. (Meh, DeJ has been hanging to average by a thread for a few years now. Coco is better.)
   15. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: February 10, 2014 at 05:03 PM (#4654421)
Agree whole heartedly with Walt's #1.
   16. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 10, 2014 at 06:08 PM (#4654460)
Weird that he just signed a bigger contract for age 35-36 while having little leverage than his 3-year contract to cover ages 32-34.


I think being a better player from ages 32-34 than he was from 29-31 had something to do with it. (-:
   17. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 10, 2014 at 06:25 PM (#4654468)
Coco Crisp is one of the all-time great baseball names . . .

Only in the Children's Cereal category.
   18. jobu Posted: February 10, 2014 at 06:57 PM (#4654485)
The good
Ellis Burks: 8 WAR in 973 PA
Carlos Beltran: 6.3 WAR in 1219 PA
Johnny Damon: 7.2 WAR in 1239 PA

The bad
Chet Lemon: 2.4 WAR in 378 PA (retired after age-35 season after being diagnosed with rare spleen disease)
Willie McGee: 1.0 WAR in 393 PA

The ugly
Stan Javier: -.1 WAR in 838 PA
Dave Henderson: -0.6 WAR in 218 PA (retired after age-35 season)


What's most interesting about this list to me (and it's a function of the fact it's the A's we're talking about) is that 5 of the 7 guys listed were A's property at one time or another--and I'd put even money on the A's getting a great $/WAR season out of Beltran before he's done. David Dejesus (also mentioned as a comp) makes it 6 out of 8.
   19. Darren Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:33 PM (#4654560)
This performance in his 30s pairs nicely with his performance in his early 20s. Too bad he took a bit of a detour in his late 20s--I thought he was going to be a beast for the Red Sox. Still a fun, fun player.
   20. Darren Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:57 PM (#4654565)
Also surprised he was never an All-Star.

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