Man, these Cohn guys are desperate for E-cred.

Just yesterday, a firejoemorgan reader called Iggy a “quasi-literate college student.” Really? Many of the firejoemorgan people are quasi-literate or maybe even sub-literate

Right here is about where your argument loses credibility.

I get the idea - I may be wrong - that you live in your mother's basement in L.A.

(that's actually from the first part)

I mean, geez. I'll admit that I'm a terrible FJM apologist, but even I don't think Junior's funny. Even so, this is absolutely, like, unbelievable. He tries to invalidate what they do by doing exactly the same thing, except way worse. And I'm literally flabbergasted that he could still think this particular joke--which is certainly among the things that FJM makes fun of the most--is actually funny to anyone. And then he does the "baseball isn't played by numbers" routine. Wow.

Also:

They seem to think Iggy and I had no right to reply - that we should be passive and meekly accept whatever Junior wrote. Somehow we weren’t allowed to criticize Junior. That’s quite an interesting system, although it seems one-sided and unfair to me.

I only read a couple of the comments, and I'm sure some of them said something like this, but I don't think anyone reasonable is saying they don't have a right to reply, rather that all they've done is make themselves look incredibly stupid.

Ooh, Junior. Bad. I understand you were trying to be funny. But this is a dud. Clearly humor is not your strong point, so give it up. The worst sin in writing is trying to be funny and falling on your face.

I don't think this requires any comment.

their original post that incited this was, to put it succinctly, ####. so yeah, i don't know that they should really be trying to defend themselves.

I think I must be thinking of a different Brooklyn.

Possible.

I like FJM, but I have to admit that a few of the commenters went a touch far. Junior gives a harsh fisking of the posts, but the commenters are just bashing the Cohns for the sport of teasing them. Bullying, flame wars, etc. It doesn't make the Cohn's blog any better, but I have a bit of sympathy for people who lash out in self-defense after people unexpectedly get started on ad hominem attacks.

I'm not a fan of Junior's style, but from reading only the meterial Lowell Cohn wrote in his original 'letter' and this second posting, he's not exactly a high-quality wordsmith. Anyone he's teaching should get a refund.

that is pretty funny fjm fans are tearing apart someone else for crappy half hearted writing.

I mean somehow the idiot writers at fjm have turned an article about gamers into evidence about who is good or bad player. I mean somehow the brilliant minds at fjm have turned this sentence

David Ortiz: This is a great hitter, a great clutch hitter.

equals this

Lowell Cohn, the man who thinks David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Carlos Beltran and Pedro Martinez suck balls,

the ability to grasp even simple shades of grey seem to beyond the refined sensibilities of a FJM writer, I mean their attack on the gamer article was piss poor garbage. not good, not funny and not even remotely accurate in the intent. Somehow these fjm idiots think the term gamer = good player.

There was one minor point that they hit on and that is the traditional point of view that people who are thought of being gamers are usually white, and even that was a stretch to be honest in the context of the original blog. (seeing racism just because you want to, doesn't mean it actually exists)

To think I actually liked the previous article I read by FJM, and making fun of the Sabean as better gm article was very easy anyway. But their attack of the gamer blog post was a weak effort.

I think I just read one of the best FJM comments ever.

Joe Morgan: If you use statistics, last year he was the most productive player in the league.

I just accidentally swallowed my computer. Hang on.

Okay.

Joe Morgan said: "If you use statistics, last year H-Ram was the most productive player in the league."

####. Just swallowed my computer again accidentally. I am typing this with my epiglottis. Hang on.

There we go.

In 2007, Hanley Ramirez did not win the NL Batting Title. He did not hit the most HR, or score the most runs, or have the most hits. He did not have the highest SLG or OBP. He didn't lead the league in SB or 2B or 3B or really any individual category. So, the only way that Joe could really mean what he says, is if he's talking about...

VORP?

Hanley led the NL in VORP last year, at 89.5. David Wright was second at 81.1.

Is it possible -- is it remotely possible? -- that Joe knows about VORP?

I just swallowed my computer and the coffee table it was on and my arm up to the elbow.

that was great, I liked this article where they were discussing Joe Morgans chat and explaining how it was probably an intern actually answering the questions.

Actually, that's why I don't like FJM--they start with the assumption that they are the smartest person in the interactions and then add mockery no matter what their target says.

Then they pull their engrish.com routine where the response is dumber than the initial dumb thing that was said.