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Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 06:03 PM | 270 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM (#4344678)
Let's talk about a sport at which the SEC is lousy!
   2. rr Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:43 PM (#4344681)
UCLA could probably beat the Lakers.
   3. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 11:13 PM (#4344699)
and a sport where the BIG is good.
   4. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:14 AM (#4344726)
I know it's been talked about half to death, but, man, Duke's out-of-conference slate was impressive.
   5. smileyy Posted: January 11, 2013 at 01:06 AM (#4344744)
Xavier is dreadful this year. Thus, I have little interest in college basketball.
   6. VoodooR Posted: January 11, 2013 at 03:35 AM (#4344799)
Gonzaga is getting a lot of hype this year, but as a fan I fear the Zags will get nicked (again) in March by a team with athletic guards and a coach that can make in-game adjustments better than Mark Few (great program builder, shaky in-game coach).
   7. OCF Posted: January 11, 2013 at 03:53 AM (#4344802)
So my school, Long Beach State: after making it to the NCAA tourney (one and out) last year, graduated nearly the entire starting lineup. It's a total rebuild year, pretty much from scratch. Scheduled a bunch of big boys anyway. Got stomped by all the big boys. The coach, Dan Monson, will keep right on scheduling that way - it's what he does. Now 3-1 in conference.
   8. Bitter Mouse Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:37 AM (#4344825)
A sport a MN team is good at, why would I want to talk about that?
   9. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: January 11, 2013 at 09:39 AM (#4344853)
MSU's 16 on KenPom this year. Normally that would make me think they'd have a chance at a Big Ten title. This year it has me just hoping they go 10-8 in conference.
   10. T.J. Posted: January 11, 2013 at 10:11 AM (#4344870)
As a Tar Heel fan, I have to say: We suck. Poor defense, no toughness, very little experience, no personality.
   11. DL from MN Posted: January 11, 2013 at 10:42 AM (#4344882)
Long suffering Gopher fan here enjoying this season immensely. However, as a long-suffering Gopher fan, I am still waiting for the inevitable problem that derails everything.
   12. Shredder Posted: January 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4344895)
UCLA could probably beat the Lakers.
Have we been watching the same UCLA team? I'm torn between believing that Ben Howland has probably overstayed his welcome, and hoping this team really does well so that I can read the increasingly ridiculous headlines from the comedians over at Bruins Nation.
   13. BDC Posted: January 11, 2013 at 11:10 AM (#4344900)
My employer, Texas-Arlington, has put a lot of effort into ramping up its men's basketball program. They built a 7,000-seat stadium, and upgraded to the Western Athletic Conference from the Southland. Success on the court has been mixed, particularly over this winter break when they got clobbered at home by some indifferent WAC and similar teams. They have been drawing announced crowds of about 1,000 per game (between semesters, when there are very few students around). I don't want them to fail at this effort, but I'm concerned: what if you build a stadium, your team is mediocre, and nobody shows up or cares? I don't think I can draw any useful lessons from the Miami Marlins …
   14. TerpNats Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:00 PM (#4344947)
Maryland has assembled a rather good young team under Mark Turgeon, though aside from Kentucky in the opener, its non-conference schedule was nothing to get excited about. After blowing a halftime lead at home vs. Florida State on Wednesday, it's safe to say the Terps aren't yet a great young team. And if that occurs in College Park, it probably won't be until next season.
   15. puck Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM (#4344953)
I don't want them to fail at this effort, but I'm concerned: what if you build a stadium, your team is mediocre, and nobody shows up or cares? I don't think I can draw any useful lessons from the Miami Marlins …

You use the arena for the women's team, and for large classes to take final exams in, like University of Colorado did before the past few years. (Well, I'm sure they still do those things, but they get more than 25% capacity for men's games now.)
   16. smileyy Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:55 PM (#4344990)
TerpsNats -- what are your thoughts on Dez Wells, who got gift-wrapped* and sent your way? How's he been playing?

*After failing to gift-wrap himself at a girl's request.
   17. Sean Forman Posted: January 11, 2013 at 01:09 PM (#4345005)
Just an FYI as this crew might be interested. Sports Reference just added 8400+ scans of full season cbb stats. Like Holy Cross 1950 or Kansas 1962, etc.

http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2013/01/more-college-basketball-stats/
   18. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: January 11, 2013 at 01:11 PM (#4345007)
Thanks, Sean! Amazing work you're doing.
   19. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: January 11, 2013 at 01:18 PM (#4345013)
Arizona State played an OOC schedule full of fish and came close to running the table - the only bad loss was a home pratfall vs. DePaul, and they also dropped one to Creighton (no shame there).

Once P12 play started, everyone (including myself) thought reality would smack Sendek in the face... Well well, look at that: ASU is 3-0 in conference play. Pomeroy now projects ASU to finish the regular season with 20 wins and a 9-9 P12 record.
   20. TerpNats Posted: January 11, 2013 at 02:09 PM (#4345067)
Wells has helped, but he hasn't been the difference in and of himself.
   21. Al Peterson Posted: January 11, 2013 at 02:39 PM (#4345090)
Terps - you'll know more in a month. They've had exactly 1 true road games (+2 neutral court games but one of those was in DC). January appears tougher than February for ACC games. They'll be alright since the bottom half of the ACC is no great shakes. Wells is maybe not a star but a vocal leader which the team needs.
   22. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 11, 2013 at 04:20 PM (#4345184)
Illinois is going to be maddeningly inconsistent, but this maddening inconsistency is so much better than that of the last 5 years.
   23. Wichita Wranglers Baseball Posted: January 11, 2013 at 04:50 PM (#4345207)
As a Tar Heel fan, I have to say: We suck. Poor defense, no toughness, very little experience, no personality.


I'm a Kansas grad whose fandom blossomed during Roy's tenure, so it bums me out that UNC is struggling this year. That's not a concern troll, either: I genuinely want them to contend each year. Take heart from the fact that Carolina will remain a top-five destination for recruits and that bad losses in December often beget close wins in March, especially for younger teams.
   24. bigboy1234 Posted: January 11, 2013 at 04:52 PM (#4345209)
Quick comparison between the clear top 2 conferences in the order I'd probably rank the teams.

B10....BE
IND = LOU
UM = SYR
MIN = PIT
OSU > ND
MSU => CIN
WIS > CON
ILL > MAR

So yeah, I think the B10 is the best conference. And yes, the SEC has no depth, but their top 4 teams are just as good, if not better than any conferences outside of the above two.
   25. Tripon Posted: January 11, 2013 at 05:05 PM (#4345220)
I don't want them to fail at this effort, but I'm concerned: what if you build a stadium, your team is mediocre, and nobody shows up or cares? I don't think I can draw any useful lessons from the Miami Marlins …

You use the arena for the women's team, and for large classes to take final exams in, like University of Colorado did before the past few years. (Well, I'm sure they still do those things, but they get more than 25% capacity for men's games now.)


USC (Southern California edition) built the Galen center for the Men's team. But even when they're good (20+ wins, trips to the NCAAs, etc.) they can only draw a couple thousand in a stadium that sits 12,000. The Galen Center is right across campus, in the heart of downtown L.A. Its a $150 million building that nobody cares to go to, it'll be remarkable if it wasn't a display of USC's ostentation.
   26. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: January 11, 2013 at 05:16 PM (#4345233)
Illinois is going to be maddeningly inconsistent, but this maddening inconsistency is so much better than that of the last 5 years.

I didn't expect a whole lot this year, but Groce is getting a helluva lot more out of these players than Weber could ever dream of. And they're much more fun to watch. But rebounding is going to kill them.

B10....BE
IND = LOU
UM = SYR
MIN = PIT
OSU > ND
MSU => CIN
WIS > CON
ILL > MAR


Sorry, I wouldn't put MSU and WIS ahead of UI this year, even with their obvious and exploitable weaknesses (not sure on OSU, but they might be lower than UI also). Also, I'm starting to think UM is better than IU. Also, UM > SU and MIN > PIT.
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: January 11, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4345247)
And yes, the SEC has no depth, but their top 4 teams are just as good, if not better than any conferences outside of the above two.


Who the hell is their fourth, and what have they done to be included in any sign-of-strength classifications?

   28. bigboy1234 Posted: January 11, 2013 at 05:44 PM (#4345265)
Sorry, I wouldn't put MSU and WIS ahead of UI this year, even with their obvious and exploitable weaknesses (not sure on OSU, but they might be lower than UI also).

You really think Iowa is better than these 3 teams? I don't see it all, like it didn't even cross my mind when rating them. I could see the argument for them over Illini though. Sell me on Iowa, what am I missing?

Who the hell is their fourth, and what have they done to be included in any sign-of-strength classifications?

Mississippi and/or Missouri, don't see either ever being in the top 10, but would likely have both around the back-end of a top 25.
   29. SoSH U at work Posted: January 11, 2013 at 06:21 PM (#4345293)
Mississippi and/or Missouri, don't see either ever being in the top 10, but would likely have both around the back-end of a top 25.


Mizzou, I can see. Despite the gaudy record, I don't see how Ole Miss is any better than a number of No. 4s. (For instance, I don't see how they stand out against whoever is the A-10's No. 4, whomever that may be). And frankly, Kentucky hasn't exactly been an imposing No. 2).

   30. bigboy1234 Posted: January 11, 2013 at 06:46 PM (#4345323)
The 3/4 of the ACC are NCST/VA and B12 is Baylor and probably KST, then the P12 is whomever you like less of UCLA/Oregon (UCLA obviously has a ton of talent, but they haven't been great) and COL or STAN. I would take the SEC combo over these 3.
   31. Shredder Posted: January 11, 2013 at 06:51 PM (#4345327)
Illinois is going to be maddeningly inconsistent, but this maddening inconsistency is so much better than that of the last 5 years.
I actually think they're going to be pretty consistent down the stretch. Unfortunately, I think they're going to be consistent down the stretch this year the way they were last year. I think they're probably actually more likely to miss the tournament than make it. I see two games on their schedule that you can probably lock down as wins (PSU and Nebraska at home). I would not be completely shocked if those were the only two games they won the rest of the year.
   32. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 11, 2013 at 07:02 PM (#4345335)
Wow, Shredder. I think the Weber era has jaded you. I would be utterly shocked if Illinois went 3-15 in the Big Ten. There's no reason they should lose to a Crawford-less Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin, or @ Nebraska.

Right there that puts them at 7 Big Ten wins, meaning win one other (They really should win at Northwestern) puts them in the tourney.
   33. Shredder Posted: January 11, 2013 at 07:28 PM (#4345345)
Wow, Shredder. I think the Weber era has jaded you. I would be utterly shocked if Illinois went 3-15 in the Big Ten. There's no reason they should lose to a Crawford-less Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin, or @ Nebraska.
You're right, there's no reason they should lose to Purdue. Which makes the fact that they've already lost to Purdue inexcusable, and has basically robbed me of any faith in this team. They have absolutely nothing inside, and they just get dominated on the glass.
   34. Sandlapper Spike Posted: January 11, 2013 at 07:34 PM (#4345350)
I was hopeful my guys might turn the corner this season, but nine straight losses suggest otherwise. Oh well...

Still love college hoops. Some good action this weekend. Duke may have some issues in Raleigh, especially without Kelly.
   35. GregD Posted: January 11, 2013 at 07:50 PM (#4345358)
And frankly, Kentucky hasn't exactly been an imposing No. 2
Kentucky's lost right now. That Vandy game was terrible. They're finally getting point guard play but now nothing from the wings.
   36. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:21 PM (#4345373)
Well, I meant Purdue in CU, road games in the Big Ten are what they are.

The last couple games have been very encouraging in terms of boarding. They rebounded at a better rate than both OSU and Minnesota. By Offensive rebounding %, Minnesota is #1 in the country, and Illinois held them to their lowest % of the season.
   37. Conor Posted: January 11, 2013 at 08:54 PM (#4345382)
I was looking at the Pomeroy ratings; the BE and the B10 7 of the top 10 teams in the country. Of course, one of those teams is Pitt, who seems a little overrated, which would leave the BE with 2 top 10 teams and the B10 with 4 (!). I think Lousville and SU (and that is my team) are every bit as good as the top 2 teams in the B10, give or take. Indiana is third in Pomeroy, Lville 4th, SU 5th, and Michigan 7th. But the B10 also has Minnesota and Ohio State, who are 8th and 10th, and then also Michigan State (15th) and Wisconsin (17th; though they frequently seem to have inflated Pomeroy ratings) before another BE team shows up.

B10 is really loaded this year; its amazing how many good to great teams they have. Could be a lot like 2009 for the BE, where they had 7 teams in the top 19 in the Pomeroy ratings, and ended up with 3 #1 seeds. Though they would probably max out with 2 #1 seeds.
   38. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 11, 2013 at 10:16 PM (#4345401)
I wouldn't put a 1 seed past OSU(I love DeShaun Thomas), but with IU, UM, and OSU all playing each other twice, I agree it may be tough to get 3 of them.
   39. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: January 11, 2013 at 11:10 PM (#4345414)
28- UI is Illinois not Iowa.

Shredder, you're insane.
   40. Shredder Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:15 AM (#4345446)
Hope you're right, but I have a pretty good feeling that in two months we'll be debating whether or not Illinois should accept their invitation to the NIT.
   41. bigboy1234 Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:36 PM (#4345614)
#39 - Ah, I see. And we shall see against Wisconsin in a couple hours, you and SouthSideRyan both seem to think Illini is better than them, while I think they are the 6th and 7th best teams in the B10, I do think there is a bit of a gap there. Will be an impressive win for Illini in my mind if they can beat Wisco on the road.
   42. bigboy1234 Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:39 PM (#4345619)
Also, can't believe the IND/MIN game isn't on a more popular network.
   43. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: January 12, 2013 at 03:02 PM (#4345663)
Indiana's loaded with guys with quick hands. They can seriously force some turnovers.
   44. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: January 12, 2013 at 03:16 PM (#4345673)
And we shall see against Wisconsin in a couple hours

I don't know what today's game will tell us exactly - road wins are damn hard, just ask Duke today. Although, I don't 100% believe that, because if Virginia can win there so should Illinois. Purdue was a bad loss, no way around that.

I think they are the 6th and 7th best teams in the B10, I do think there is a bit of a gap there.

I don't see why you'd think that based on their bodies of work so far. Wisconsin doesn't have a single good win yet (today would be one), and they played a pretty weak schedule. I think they're getting a lot of credit for who they've been in the past as opposed to who they are this year.

Also, can't believe the IND/MIN game isn't on a more popular network.

BTN's making a ton of money for the conference, they gotta keep some of these for themselves.
   45. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: January 12, 2013 at 03:19 PM (#4345674)
Indiana is trying to give this game to Minnesota...
   46. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: January 12, 2013 at 03:20 PM (#4345675)
...but Minnesota isn't taking advantage.
   47. TerpNats Posted: January 12, 2013 at 03:24 PM (#4345678)
Just watched Virginia get hammered at Clemson (and the Tigers weren't at full strength). Based upon both teams' subsequent performances, the Cavs' victory over UNC last Sunday doesn't seem all that significant now, does it?

   48. Shredder Posted: January 12, 2013 at 04:05 PM (#4345694)
I reiterate. This Illinois team is not good at all.
   49. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: January 12, 2013 at 04:09 PM (#4345697)
Damn, Illinois. Damn ...
   50. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 12, 2013 at 05:05 PM (#4345709)
I reiterate. They're maddeningly inconsistent.
   51. Shredder Posted: January 12, 2013 at 05:13 PM (#4345712)
I don't consider three good games (Gonzaga, Butler, and OSU) mixed in with a lot of terrible games "inconsistent". I think it's a bad team that had a few fluky games. If they hadn't gotten a couple lucky breaks against Hawaii and Gardner Webb, I think it would be a lot easier to see how bad they are.
   52. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 12, 2013 at 05:19 PM (#4345715)
You mean 3 good games against very good teams. Was beating USC by 30 fluky? How about controlling games agianst Colgate and St. Franics, beating GA Tech?

I understand none of those teams are impressive on the surface, but you can't only hype up the close wins, and ignore the blowout wins. Illinois has played 6 likely tourney teams and are 3-3 against them. They are 11-1 against temas unlikely to make it(as an at-large at least)
   53. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 12, 2013 at 05:21 PM (#4345718)
Pomeroy has Illinois about as low as any computer rankings (which would account for the close wins vs Gardner Webb and Hawaii) and he had them at 37 heading into today, which has them comfortably in the tournament.
   54. VoodooR Posted: January 12, 2013 at 05:24 PM (#4345721)
I don't consider three good games (Gonzaga, Butler, and OSU) mixed in with a lot of terrible games "inconsistent".


Very few teams have as impressive a trio of wins as those, though. They would really have to sh!t the bed in conference play to miss the tournament. 8-10 would probably have them on the right side of the bubble, maybe even 7-11 given how strong the Big10 is this year. I suspect that Pomeroy has them pegged about right at #37 in the nation, with the caveat that they can appear to be a much better team when their guards are hot (see Gonzaga). They strike me as the type of team that could give a top seed a real scare in a #9/#1 matchup in the Round of 32 ... or they could get shellacked by a mediocre #8 seed in the first round.
   55. Shredder Posted: January 12, 2013 at 05:36 PM (#4345727)
I'd be absolutely shocked if they won six more conference games to get to 7-11. I don't see it happening. Not only are they not any good, they are absolutely not built for Big Ten play.
   56. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: January 12, 2013 at 07:23 PM (#4345770)
Florida just beat LSU. I don't mention that because it was a particularly interesting game; it was pretty mundane, save for further confirmation that UF has to figure out how to handle a press at some point in the next three months.

No, I mention it because LSU's center, who is 7'2, was plucked from the marching band, where he played the tuba.
   57. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 13, 2013 at 02:57 PM (#4346210)
Care for a bbref bet on 7-11 or better Shredder?
   58. Shredder Posted: January 14, 2013 at 01:21 PM (#4346768)
Not particularly. I don't like betting against teams that I root for. I don't WANT them to be bad. I just think they are.
   59. smileyy Posted: January 14, 2013 at 02:47 PM (#4346830)
Well, Xavier has started A-10 conference play 2-0 after an inconsistent and at time disappointing non-conference season (losing to Wofford, Vanderbilt and Tennessee). But, they do seem to have a different gear for conference play. Though their games were at home, they were wins over Temple (KenPom 62) and George Washington (KenPom 117).

They tend to be credited with excellent defense, but KenPom only rates it as 106th in the country -- I think people are confusing their glacial tempo for defense. Its not bad defense, but its not withering. Their offense is dreadful though, as only freshman Semaj Christon can reliably create his own shot.

I _think_ they have a promising future head of them. 3 starters are in their first or second season (including 2nd yera Justin Martin who is already 22). Future teams would improve by adding depth to the backcourt, particularly at SG. If current diminutive starting PG Dee Davis could move to being a backup PG -- he's yet to figure out how to score consistently in the lane -- allowing Semaj Christon to move to the PG spot, alongside that unnammed SG (perhaps the currently ineligible Myles Davis?).

They lose their two starting big men from a 3-man rotation. Freshman James Farr has struggled to get minutes, but its often hard to get minutes as a young big, unless you're great right off the bat. Highly recruited but still raw Jalen Reynolds is suffereing from being compeltely ineligible this year. He'll get older and presumably more physically developed, but he really didn't need a year off from organized basketball.

So I _think_ this team will look good next year and the year after that, though the clock is ticking on Semaj. But for the moment, his lack of a jumper outside 15' (and some FT shooting yips) will hold him back from being a pro prospect for at least another year.
   60. Chicago Joe Posted: January 14, 2013 at 06:24 PM (#4347025)
Not particularly. I don't like betting against teams that I root for. I don't WANT them to be bad. I just think they are.


I'd be inclined to think that the problem is the same as last year-too many minutes for starters early means they're pooped by this time of year. The Illini have a nice reprieve the next couple of games-NW and at UNL. Speaking of Nebraska-their center is one of the largest college players I've ever seen-must be 350 lbs easy.
   61. bunyon Posted: January 14, 2013 at 06:46 PM (#4347035)
Just watched Virginia get hammered at Clemson (and the Tigers weren't at full strength). Based upon both teams' subsequent performances, the Cavs' victory over UNC last Sunday doesn't seem all that significant now, does it?


Virginia also lost to Wake Forest. Wake is young and improving but still is not very good. Virginia looked abysmmal in that game. I initially wrote it off to taking Wake lightly after a "big" win but then with Clemson, I think they're just not very good. Neither is Carolina.
   62. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: January 15, 2013 at 12:57 AM (#4347248)
Brent Musburger has lost his mind. Signed off kansas v baylor by saying that his sideline reporter (holly rowe) was "really smokin' tonight!"
(H/t half the western world)

Biggest dude I ever saw play college ball was Troy Jackson at Louisville (Escalade in the And1 series and brother of Mark Jackson). 6-9 370 at his slimmest. Kind of a funhouse mirror version of Oliver Miller.

56 - iirc, DePaul once plunked Bill Robinzine from the band as well - he went on to be an all-American candidate and have a respectable NBA career.
   63. puck Posted: January 15, 2013 at 03:46 AM (#4347300)
56 - iirc, DePaul once plunked Bill Robinzine from the band as well - he went on to be an all-American candidate and have a respectable NBA career.

Perhaps best known for being named in one of Darryl Dawkins's backboard-shattering dunks:

The Chocolate-Thunder-Flying, Robinzine-Crying, Teeth-Shaking, Glass-Breaking, Rump-Roasting, Bun-Toasting, Wham-Bam, Glass-Breaker-I-Am-Jam.
   64. OCF Posted: January 15, 2013 at 04:06 AM (#4347301)
When I was in college, one of the players on our varsity squad was legitimately 7 feet tall. He went by the name of "Whoosh" (I won't go into the reasons for that other than that it has nothing to do with basketball.) The only thing is that he didn't actually have athletic ability - he was really in college for the education, and he got kind of tracked into playing basketball because, hey, how many 7 footers are there anyway? The offensive move of his that I remember was the shot that traveled 12 feet, taken from 6 feet from the basket. He played in garbage time and was an absolute fan favorite - sort of an "I could do that if only I were 7 feet tall" sentiment. But we were under no illusions that he was a basketball player.
   65. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 15, 2013 at 09:10 AM (#4347323)
wisconsin is having a down year but for one afternoon it had a moment.

   66. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: January 15, 2013 at 11:36 AM (#4347400)
Louisville's defense is good. #1 on KenPom. Difference between them and #2 is as big as the difference between #2 and #15.
   67. Chicago Joe Posted: January 15, 2013 at 12:45 PM (#4347469)
wisconsin is having a down year but for one afternoon it had a moment.


That they did, but Wisconsin's down year is largely a result of losing Gasser early. Not surprised they are recovering a bit. The Badgers do a great job utilizing what they've got-they've had just 2 top 100 recruits in their last four classes, by my count.

Harveys, I'd be interested in your opinion on Ryan, especially in the context of Bielema. Seems to me he's a bit of a jerk (much like Bielema) but is he well loved in the booster community? I really dislike his style, but you can't argue with the results. It's a very B1G focused way of playing, but it seems like they find more athletic teams somewhat problematic.
   68. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 16, 2013 at 02:26 AM (#4347966)
Ok, for a few days, Wisconsin had some moments.

And speaking of jerks, Tom Crean everybody. What an #######.
   69. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 16, 2013 at 06:45 AM (#4347980)
chicago

what is a top recruit? a guy who looks great in teh uniform or a guy who keeps control of the ball, plays tough defense and never gets tired? every year wisconsin plays teams with players who can run and jump and most times wisconsin beats those teams. so what makes those guys 'top recruits'? stupid people i am guessing.

ryan isn't beloved because he is such a wise8ss but he's honest and not a scumbag.

i am not a hyper moralist. but what has to be mentioned about bielema is that it wasn't just being completely dismissive of alumni clearly radiating his thoughts that we are all dumb and useless. it was his completely not subtle skirt chasing and other exploits that only his position kept from blowing up in the news. and then he has the gall to whine that he was under some incredible burden because the team wouldn't pay 400k for an assistant?

just pushed the envelope on people's patience. poster jack vincennes likely can speak about this even better than i. i have stopped contributing to wisconsin football primarily because of bielema. i doubt i will re-start.
   70. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: January 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM (#4348031)
Who doesn't love Bo Ryan?
   71. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4348106)
der k

um, tom izzo for one. tom izzo and bo ryan hate each other's guts. and most of the big10 coaches side with izzo because bo is a wiseguy. he is always cracking comments at big10 gatherings and i guess he can get under your skin pretty quick becuase his barbs are unwelcome to coaches who typically have folks kissing their rear ends.

bo hates 8ss kissers and thinks all coaches need to be taken down a peg.

so he and izzo relish having their teams beat the cr8p out of each other. it's always personal with those two
   72. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 16, 2013 at 11:43 AM (#4348108)
crean also hates ryan guts
   73. SoSH U at work Posted: January 16, 2013 at 11:51 AM (#4348114)
Who doesn't love Bo Ryan?


I suspect Jarrod Uthoff's book covers are not festooned with "I heart Bo" scribblings.
   74. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: January 16, 2013 at 12:39 PM (#4348159)
Heh.
I didn't know that he ended up at Iowa - when did the Big 10 drop their no-transfering within the conference rule, or did I imagine that there used to be one? I guess there have been a few (Luke Recker, for one) - maybe I did...
   75. smileyy Posted: January 16, 2013 at 01:42 PM (#4348236)
what is a top recruit? a guy who looks great in teh uniform or a guy who keeps control of the ball, plays tough defense and never gets tired?


You need both to be successful at a high-level, but you can still be generally successful with a system and talented-enough players who'll buy into it.
   76. cmd600 Posted: January 16, 2013 at 01:55 PM (#4348256)
under some incredible burden because the team wouldn't pay 400k for an assistant


If the goal is be a big time NCAA football contender, it definitely is an incredibly burden to have to underpay (and sometimes wildly so compared to your competitors) your assistants.
   77. Shredder Posted: January 17, 2013 at 11:18 PM (#4349597)
Slaughtered at home by a terrible, terrible Northwestern team. On the plus side, with hockey starting, I don't have to worry about choosing between Kings games and Illinois games. Still think I'm insane, Brian?
   78. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 17, 2013 at 11:36 PM (#4349608)
Well that's a shitty way to start my weekend. Damn you Shredder
   79. VoodooR Posted: January 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM (#4350531)
Big game for Gonzaga today versus Butler at Hinkle Fieldhouse with ESPN GameDay in attendance. The matchup is diminished somewhat by the fact that Butler's sharpshooting leading scorer Rotnei Clark (who almost came to Gonzaga ... twice) is likely to miss the game after taking a very hard fall last weekend.

The thought is that Butler is a really good defensive team, but the Pomeroy numbers don't seem to confirm this; in fact Butler is ranked 69th in the nation in DefEff, one slot above the Zags (a team nobody has ever mistaken for an elite defensive unit). However, Gonzaga's offense is one of the best in the nation #3, led by silky smooth big man Kelly Olynyk, who used a rare mid-career, non-injury redshirt last season to bulk up and become a low post threat. He's been one of the best offensive players in the nation in his return, shooting over 65% from the field.

A Zags victory tonight should give them the inside track to a #2 seed in March, and an outside shot at a #1 (though they might need to win out to get there and that won't be easy with games @St. Mary's and @ BYU still on the docket).
   80. bigboy1234 Posted: January 19, 2013 at 01:33 PM (#4350551)
Top 5 games today:

Syracuse @ Louisville - If @Cuse it would be a lot harder pick, @LOU I'm pretty confident in LOU
Missouri @ Florida - If Bowers is still out UF should have absolutely no problem destroying MIZ
Ohio State @ Michigan State - Should be a good game bc @ MSU, will still slightly favor OSU though
Creighton @ Wichita State - McDermott is a stud so I can't pick against CRE even though on the road
Gonzaga @ Butler - Butler is kind of overrated, don't expect Zaga to have too much trouble even on road
   81. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: January 19, 2013 at 03:10 PM (#4350597)
Arizona-ASU in 20 minutes. No idea how this one will go.
   82. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: January 19, 2013 at 03:13 PM (#4350599)
In Memphis, Harvard within 2 of the Tigers, 5:58 remaining.
   83. BDC Posted: January 19, 2013 at 03:54 PM (#4350612)
Because everyone is dying for Texas-Arlington basketball updates, I'll note that my concern continues. They have lost 4 straight at home in their new stadium, averaging 44 points per game in the process. They were drawing announced crowds of ~1,000 between semesters, and on Thursday night, with students back on campus, they drew only 1,000 announced again, a crowd that the Startlegram described as "subdued." Oh dear.
   84. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: January 19, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4350625)
Purdue is crushing WVU right now.
   85. bigboy1234 Posted: January 19, 2013 at 04:35 PM (#4350630)
Texas up 10 on Kansas right now with 11 minutes left, pretty big upset if it keeps up.

As anticipated Mizzou is getting handled by Florida @Florida without Bowers.
   86. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: January 19, 2013 at 05:04 PM (#4350645)
Excuse my chest-thumping, but damn, Florida looks really, really good. Hard not to get excited about their potential.
   87. bigboy1234 Posted: January 19, 2013 at 05:08 PM (#4350648)
And Kansas just pulls it out.
   88. The Buddy Biancalana Hit Counter Posted: January 19, 2013 at 08:21 PM (#4350700)
Texas up 10 on Kansas right now with 11 minutes left, pretty big upset if it keeps up.
And Kansas just pulls it out.
An awful game aesthetically, and an example of why, should conference realignment ever knock KU out of its historical adjacency to big time college football, it won't be a horrible thing as their degree of basketball dominance over the Big 12 is essentially the same as it would be in a mid-major league.
   89. BDC Posted: January 19, 2013 at 09:31 PM (#4350723)
Despite my handwringing over my employer, I am a graduate of Michigan State and delighted at their win over Ohio State tonight. Izzo forever :)
   90. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 20, 2013 at 12:19 AM (#4350800)
Wow. Great win for Butler without Rotnei Clark. That was about as close a buzzer beater as you can get.

   91. VoodooR Posted: January 20, 2013 at 12:39 AM (#4350806)
I'm a really big Gonzaga fan.

And I want to puke.

It's not March yet, but that would have been a gritty, gutty win for the Zags and they had it and then threw it away...

Ugh.
   92. VoodooR Posted: January 20, 2013 at 12:47 AM (#4350809)
   93. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 20, 2013 at 01:32 AM (#4350821)
Picture of the ball still in his hand with the light turned red?


Or, picture is taken at an angle that looks like the shot is still in his hand.

When I saw the first replay, I thought it was still in his hand. When I saw the second, from under the hoop, I thought he got it off. I wouldn't be surprised either way.
   94. VoodooR Posted: January 20, 2013 at 03:50 AM (#4350830)
Honestly I think the refs made the right call. It would have been a pretty hollow victory for the Zags if that shot had been waved off.
   95. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: January 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM (#4353037)
49-47, but no such thing as an ugly road win in Madison.
   96. bigboy1234 Posted: January 23, 2013 at 12:58 AM (#4353085)
And UK continues to stumble, well at least the SEC has potentially the best team in the nation.

Who has been more disappointing to people here, UK or UCLA?
   97. just plain joe Posted: January 23, 2013 at 09:48 AM (#4353151)
Who has been more disappointing to people here, UK or UCLA?


As a long time UK fan I'm disappointed but not surprised. One had to figure that Calipari's recruiting of one and done type players would catch up with him. The past couple of years he still had some veteran players who had been in the program for several years, and who could be counted upon in crunch time. Now, the only upperclassmen on the team are transfers and, to be honest, they aren't that good. In close games, especially on the road, there just isn't a Darius Miller, a Josh Harrelson or even a DeAndre Liggins that the 'Cats can go to. This Kentucky team has some extremely talented players but, as currently constructed, it is just not a very good team.
   98. Shredder Posted: January 23, 2013 at 02:19 PM (#4353440)
The jury is still out on UCLA. They could still be a very different team in a month, at least in terms of how they play (the personnel won't change). They've looked a lot better since the Missouri game, albeit with a hiccup against Oregon. They're still mostly freshman, who will be inconsistent. I have a lot more faith in them right now than I did a month ago. They need to find a way to get Tony Parker more minutes, since he's their only big body inside.
   99. smileyy Posted: January 23, 2013 at 02:51 PM (#4353474)
UCLA. Kentucky's peripherals are mostly fine. And anyone who expected Nerlens Noel to be Anthony Davis, or even Anthony Davis-- is delusional.
   100. bunyon Posted: January 23, 2013 at 03:44 PM (#4353511)
Here is an excellent place to say that I haven't had as much fun at a sporting event than I did last night at Wake/NC State in a long time. Awesome win for Wake.
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