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That's not quite true. They didn't completely remove their offer, they wanted him to grayshirt, he said no. But at the end of the day that amounts to about the same thing since I would guess most players say no anyways.
What I mean is, they do that way so they can say with a straight face that they still wanted the player. As if they think we will believe that.
Schools all the time will tell players - heads up - your offer is conditional. Or, heads up - we've got two slots left, and we are targeting four guys. Saban didn't do that here.
That's uncalled for on Miles' part, but I think Charlie Weis might be worse.
Stanford takes away scholarship offer...
Stanford takes away scholarship offer...
If I'm parsing the article correctly, it's because he wasn't admitted on an academic basis. That's hardly the same as "this guy has more stars, so we're rescinding our offer."
"We can't understand it. Nobody is telling us anything. The coaches say the admissions process is secretive, and they can't ask about it. If it's the curriculum, we'd like to know. (Head coach) David Shaw said he was surprised. It sounds like there's something else under the table, like they might have found somebody else they like."
And this dude has been committed for a while, it wasn't like Stanford didn't know about his academics (4.0 GPA and 26 ACT) before they decided two weeks ago to not offer him a scholarship.
This is probably the case. Georgia Tech had a somewhat similar issue with a recruit and the football staff was seemingly kept out of the loop as to whether or not the kid would actually be accepted until the last possible moment.
I read the Charlie Weis statement, he is NFL garbage. Amazingly, he has never won a thing as a HC, his NFL schemes were thoroughly dismantled by college players and college coaches. His 3rd year ND team was one of the worst offenses in the +150 year history of the sport.
Reading his comment didn't surprise me in the least, if you know his resume at the college level, his comments are consistent with his track record. That he is trending from Notre Dame to Kansas as a HC is all you need to know. Next stop, Bengals OC.
First, it's nice pub for the SEC.
Second, one thing I find really insufferable is Big Ten whining about anything. Bielema whining about Urban is another example. If this shuts up Big Ten sanctimoniousness, please, sign me up.
Third, the Big Tenners who bash the SEC don't understand why this actually hurts them. In the past, the SEC would oversign in part because so many players seemed like risks, usually for grade reasons. These kids wound up in JUCO typically. So, the SEC would take a couple of players more than the Big Ten would, but really the advantage was overstated, as many players never made it to campus.
Now, the SEC just focuses more on the "sure things." This is a battle the Big Ten won't win. Focusing less on the risky players means whatever chances the Big Ten has of recruiting in the talent rich South just took another hit. So, nice work, Big Ten.
And that just breaks me up inside.
So you're whining about whining.
If this shuts up Big Ten sanctimoniousness, please, sign me up.
The sanctimony is justified.
In the past, the SEC would oversign in part because so many players seemed like risks, usually for grade reasons. These kids wound up in JUCO typically. So, the SEC would take a couple of players more than the Big Ten would, but really the advantage was overstated, as many players never made it to campus.
Proof of this assertion?
Now, the SEC just focuses more on the "sure things." This is a battle the Big Ten won't win. Focusing less on the risky players means whatever chances the Big Ten has of recruiting in the talent rich South just took another hit. So, nice work, Big Ten.
That's possible, but this B1G fan doesn't really care. I'm for more equitable treatment of recruits regardless of what it means for any conference. You might consider thinking in those terms rather than what it means for your tribe (sanctimony!). I still have doubts as to whether the trend will catch on the in the factories of SEC West, but we'll see. I hope it does. Also, my suspicion is that the trend toward four-year scholies might increase the emphasis on the quality of the degree, which, obviously, won't help the SEC.
The bottom line is that the Big Ten still cares about football and wants to be viewed at successful at it, but that fandom has adjusted based on lack of on field success. Hence the talk of a Big Ten degree being SO valuable, and Delany pretending his schools don't have an element of "football factory" to them, either. Hence the comments about Southerners being stupid, and so forth. It's still a rivalry, it's just one the Big Ten isn't very good at, hence the invocation of all these other issues. And when SEC schools still win working under the same "morality" as viewed by the Big Ten, well that's going to be awfully embarrassing for the Big Ten all over again.
As Auburn's in the SEC West, has been bashed as a "football factory" before, and has had more recent success than any Big Ten school, I'd be surprised if other SEC West schools didn't follow suit. I'd imagine the two holdouts would be Saban and Ole Miss, based on my intuition about Hugh Freeze.
I've found much of what prompts outrage is really initially prompted by something else. I have little doubt that if the Big Ten had won a couple of titles recently, we wouldn't be talking about oversigning.
Please.
Where are these comments? Are you referring to academic reputations? Do you dispute that the B1G has better academic institutions than the SEC? FWIW, I was born, raised and educated in Mississippi, so I don't think Southerners are stupid. I think a good number of SEC football fans are bizarro tribalists and strangers to objectivity, but that's another matter.
And when SEC schools still win working under the same "morality" as viewed by the Big Ten, well that's going to be awfully embarrassing for the Big Ten all over again.
On the contrary, I'd have far more respect for the SEC if they succeed under those conditions. It remains to be seen whether they actually rise to B1G's standards and are able to continue winning once there.
I have little doubt that if the Big Ten had won a couple of titles recently, we wouldn't be talking about oversigning.
I understand that you need to feel that way.
NYCTigersfan. This is as insightful a comment as I've seen. Very true.
Oh please....
I assume FSU will forthwith be announcing replacement of WVU on its schedule with the most attractive Div 14 opponent it can find on this notice.
And yes, this constitutes criticism by a person who doesn't like West Virginia, a/k/a whining.
Guess again.
Assuming things remain fairly stable from here on out (there are very sketchy rumors the Big 12 is considering raiding the ACC), Memphis being reunited with Louisville and Cincinnati should give that program a boost as those had been 2 of their top 3 rivals. It's been a while but back before the original Big East-Conference USA raid, Memphis actually had a fairly good football program.
Looks like the Big Ten is getting into that SEC business.
Just make sure that check doesn't bounce before you let 'em go, boys.
Do teams typically revoke offers from guys who haven't committed?
Dot your i's, and cross your t's, but don't expect anything until you sign away your freedom for at least a year.
But I do agree with you that the ACC could use FSU and Miami back to form.
Yes. It's just another human interest story. It's only noteworthy to you because it's your high school. If it was from East Podunk you wouldn't give it special attention.
Killjoy. Sheesh, lighten up, will ya?
I actually would give it at least some attention, because even if Duke Johnson hadn't gone to the same school I did, I still root for Miami as my second favorite team (behind Louisville), and Staples wrote an solid column about how Golden is achieving recruiting success in the face of the investigation and likelihood of sanctions. Johnson was an interesting dimension to that story, but hardly the whole thing.
http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/story/_/id/7577881/tcu-horned-frogs-football-players-arrested-drug-sweep
Iowa never lied and he wasn't a commit. Iowa never assured him that he had a scholarship. He sat on a scholarship offer for months, all he had to do was commit. They let him know about the numbers. He never gave them a commit. When another RB committed a week before signing day, Shaw was told that they were revoking the offer.
Looks like the Big Ten is getting into that SEC business.
An SEC team would just have signed both of them and three more RBs, bringing their roster size to 92. Seven players mysteriously gone by August.
More or less what happened. A week before signing day.
Do teams typically revoke offers from guys who haven't committed?
Its a game of musical chairs. If you have 16 scholarships, you can't just offer them to 16 guys and cross your fingers and wait till signing day when you land 4 of them. Sometimes teams are upfront about it, and sometimes they're not.
Makes more sense then ####### Memphis.
At this point, isn't it easier listing schools that aren't in the Big East?
*gut laugh*
Tennessee, maybe.
As an Arkansas fan, of course I'm appalled at what's been revealed the last week or so ... but not surprised. Like the old fable about the snake (or was it a scorpion?) who fatally stings the benefactor it's begged to carry it across a raging river, or something like that, we knew what he was when we hired him. Well, we mostly knew what he was; some of what's come out is pretty damned sleazy, even for him. I exulted in the team's relative success the past season or two, but I never, ever got over my unease about Petrino. I'm sure I was far from alone.
Only for a couple of hours in the fall of 2001, just about a month before I moved to Alabama. I grew up in Arkansas & lived there for all but about 4 years till I was 42, but I'm from (& went to college in) another corner of the state, then lived in Little Rock/North Little Rock for most of my aduthood, & I was never much for traveling. Only time I've ever seen the Razobacks play in person was in Auburn (& a glorious game it was), which is a lot closer to me here in Montgomery than Fayetteville is to LR.
In any event, at least a couple of Primates went to school in Fayetteville & may well still be in that area. Not sure they've ever participated in this thread, though. Anyone remember any names?
It's probably the biggest Rutgers OOC game since I've been a fan. I love that you guys picked a team like that. Cuse also gets props for scheduling up and going to Mizzou. Obviously Petrino getting the boot significantly increases your odds of winning that game. It will be extremely fun to watch that undersized, ultra quick D take on the remnants of Petrino's offense.
Gladwell will grind Whitlock's gonads to make his bread
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