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Wednesday, January 09, 2019

College student says she ‘felt harassed’ by Indians pitcher Trevor Bauer on Twitter

A Texas State University finance major hadn’t heard of Trevor Bauer when she chided the Cleveland Indians pitcher on Twitter over the weekend.

Days later, Nikki Giles told USA TODAY Sports she’s been reduced to tears by the barrage of responses from Bauer and some of his 135,000 followers. Giles said she’s reported the harassment to the Indians via the team’s official Facebook page and flagged three of Bauer’s tweets in a complaint to Twitter.

“It has definitely ruined my last three days,” Giles told USA TODAY Sports. “I have cried daily and called my family crying because the first 12-24 hours or so I was getting a lot of hate.”

The more and more I see of Twitter, the more and more I become convinced that it is naught but a hive of scum and villainy…..

QLE Posted: January 09, 2019 at 08:15 AM | 326 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. oscar madisox Posted: January 09, 2019 at 09:11 AM (#5803596)
The world would be a better place if everyone canceled their twitter accounts.
   2. jmurph Posted: January 09, 2019 at 09:23 AM (#5803597)
Twitter is great, it's the people that are bad. I follow tons of sports-related accounts, have them separated into different lists (NBA, soccer, baseball, etc.), follow tons of journalists, music/film writers, tons of people related to my work, researchers, historians, etc.

The key, if you're a normal person, is to never, ever tweet. This is where most people go wrong. Just use it for the links.

(Twitter the company is pretty terrible, but the platform is fine.)
   3. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 09:35 AM (#5803599)
The world would be a better place if everyone canceled their twitter accounts.


If you know a better way to annoy celebrities from the comfort of the toilet I'd like to hear it.
   4. Howie Menckel Posted: January 09, 2019 at 09:35 AM (#5803600)
The world would be a better place if everyone canceled

.... is the start of a sentence that generally is headed into a ditch.

your Twitter account is yours. you are the producer, the director - and if you like, the actor.

if your Twitter account sucks, that's on you.

people who gripe about Twitter are like people who cook up a meal, then bring it from the kitchen to the table, try a bite, and say, "God, this is awful! what a crappy chef this place has!"

dude, you cooked the crappy meal.
   5. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 09:39 AM (#5803603)
your Twitter account is yours. you are the producer, the director - and if you like, the actor.


Yes the similarities between Twitter and porn are numerous.
   6. bobm Posted: January 09, 2019 at 09:41 AM (#5803605)
people who gripe about Twitter are like people who cook up a meal, then bring it from the kitchen to the table, try a bite, and say, "God, this is awful! what a crappy chef this place has!"

"And such small portions!"
   7. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 09, 2019 at 09:42 AM (#5803606)
I largely agree with jmurph. Twitter has been exceptionally useful to me but I'm also pretty good at sloughing off the idiots and I don't attempt to provide content.

Re tweeting: I do, every few months or so, ask a question to a subject matter expert I follow or answer one posed by same. A majority of the time, they answer and I thank them.

It's the only social network platform (other than a message board or two like this one) that I use.
   8. Howie Menckel Posted: January 09, 2019 at 09:44 AM (#5803608)
heh, I guess I set up Post 6 like an Olympic volleyballer

:)
   9. Blastin Posted: January 09, 2019 at 09:55 AM (#5803613)
The key, if you're a normal person, is to never, ever tweet. This is where most people go wrong. Just use it for the links.

I post about race, education, mental health. I have a well-planned feed.

The problem is people are dumb, not twitter. People are really dumb. Trevor Bauer is just particularly dumb.
   10. JL72 Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:05 AM (#5803615)
Trevor Bauer is just particularly dumb.


Celebrities punching down is almost never a good look. Unless Giles' comments were beyond the pale, far better to just ignore. Otherwise, you end up on the wrong side of stories like these, especially if your followers get involved.
   11. McCoy Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:09 AM (#5803618)
The harassed sounds like an idiot. You mocked and insulted a stranger you knew nothing about and then fall apart when you didn't like the results.
   12. McCoy Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:11 AM (#5803621)
Celebrities punching down is almost never a good look. Unless Giles' comments were beyond the pale, far better to just ignore. Otherwise, you end up on the wrong side of stories like these, especially if your followers get involved.

I don't disagree but the problem is that that isn't the world we live in anymore.
   13. jmurph Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:17 AM (#5803626)
Re tweeting: I do, every few months or so, ask a question to a subject matter expert I follow or answer one posed by same. A majority of the time, they answer and I thank them.

I post about race, education, mental health. I have a well-planned feed.

Yeah I exaggerated that one a little, I sometimes interact with people, mostly in my work sphere, occasionally a few others.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:48 AM (#5803637)
The harassed sounds like an idiot. You mocked and insulted a stranger you knew nothing about and then fall apart when you didn't like the results.

That's sort of the thing. If you started out mocking someone, I have a hard time mustering sympathy when you get mocked in return. Obviously threats would be a whole different level.

It's like if you start a physical fight with someone, you can't then turn around and complain you got your ass whupped.
   15. Jose is an Absurd Kahuna Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:54 AM (#5803641)
Reading the story it seems that Bauer's response was disproportionate. According to Giles (whose initial comment really was a nothing burger) Bauer tagged her in 30 separate tweets after she had blocked him.
   16. Jose is an Absurd Kahuna Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:55 AM (#5803642)
More generally, anyone in the public eye needs to be told not to respond to criticism. You aren't going to win the PR battle, eventually you come off as a bully fairly or not.
   17. SoSH U at work Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:57 AM (#5803644)

Reading the story it seems that Bauer's response was disproportionate. According to Giles (whose initial comment really was a nothing burger) Bauer tagged her in 30 separate tweets after she had blocked him.


Yeah, I can understand the idea that she's not terribly sympathetic, but Bauer still comes off as an #######. Which, of course, is nothing new.
   18. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:59 AM (#5803647)
The harassed sounds like an idiot. You mocked and insulted a stranger you knew nothing about and then fall apart when you didn't like the results.

Exactly. This is a college student who doesn't know how Twitter beefs work? Really?
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:00 AM (#5803648)
Yeah, I can understand the idea that she's not terribly sympathetic, but Bauer still comes off as an #######. Which, of course, is nothing new.

True. They both come off badly.

Of course Bauer is probably sleeping on a giant pile of money with many beautiful ladies, so he likely doesn't care that we all think he's an #######.
   20. Jose is an Absurd Kahuna Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:13 AM (#5803652)
so he likely doesn't care that we all think he's an #######.


Given that he felt compelled to spend a day responding and criticizing this woman suggests he kind of does care.

If you want to see what the twitter feed of someone who genuinely doesn't give a ####, check out James Blunt. He just kills it.
   21. Ziggy's screen name Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:18 AM (#5803654)
Rule #1 to internetting: unless your forum is anonymous, don't post anything that you wouldn't say in a job interview.
   22. jmurph Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:21 AM (#5803658)
Rule #1 to internetting: unless your forum is anonymous, don't post anything that you wouldn't say in a job interview.

It would be kind of weird to do a birth announcement mid-interview.
   23. Blastin Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5803661)
I mean, that was dumb of her, for sure.

He... went a little far in response, and has a track record of awful.

   24. . Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:45 AM (#5803671)
It takes about five seconds of looking at Bauer on the mound to realize he's approaching Harperian levels of douche.
   25. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:05 PM (#5803684)
Given that he felt compelled to spend a day responding and criticizing this woman suggests he kind of does care.

Or, he enjoys being an #######.
   26. Master of the Horse Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:09 PM (#5803688)
Bauer is premier grade ####### but this woman reminds me of the twitter meme of Facebook user checking out Twitter where a woman is looking around all confused and a bit scared. Could be this person was legit new to Twitter and didn't know it's a news stream but interact at your own risk. Like even serious science heavyweights will punch down and totally #### you up if you get them pissed somehow. And finance twitter is the worst on so many levels and if you talk to people not on twitter they think its politics or entertainment. Not even close.

update: by finance I was including crypto but if you carve out crypto that might by itself qualify as the worst. 3/4 of the crypto twitter is crazy ############# who legit want anarchy because in their fantasies they own an island with casinos that always lose and they have like 20 women around who think they are awesome. It's so ###### up
   27. McCoy Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5803692)
I mean, that was dumb of her, for sure.

He... went a little far in response, and has a track record of awful.


Possibly but we've only heard her side a side in which she grudgingly admits she got into an argument with him and that argument got to the point where she felt the need to block him. And of course she then highlights the pointlessness of ignore and blocking by wading right back in and then falling apart when, gasp, someone somewhere was throwing adulations her way.
   28. McCoy Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:16 PM (#5803694)
update: by finance I was including crypto but if you carve out crypto that might by itself qualify as the worst. 3/4 of the crypto twitter is crazy ############# who legit want anarchy because in their fantasies they own an island with casinos that always lose and they have like 20 women around who think they are awesome. It's so ###### up

Sounds like a gamer feed.
   29. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:20 PM (#5803696)
update: by finance I was including crypto but if you carve out crypto that might by itself qualify as the worst. 3/4 of the crypto twitter is crazy ############# who legit want anarchy because in their fantasies they own an island with casinos that always lose and they have like 20 women around who think they are awesome. It's so ###### up

There's a reason that for most of history, 95% of people had no public voice; most people are idiots.
   30. McCoy Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:21 PM (#5803698)
His harassment seems to amount to he had the audacity to repost the stupid stuff she said to a bigger audience than she’s ever had.
   31. Blastin Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:36 PM (#5803710)
He's worse than Harper. Harper isn't going after the public.
   32. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:38 PM (#5803717)
Rule #1 to internetting: unless your forum is anonymous, don't post anything that you wouldn't say in a job interview.


I think I have this covered.
   33. JL72 Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:48 PM (#5803725)
His harassment seems to amount to he had the audacity to repost the stupid stuff she said to a bigger audience than she’s ever had.


And kept at it. I suspect she was surprised that he kept tagging her in tweets (allegedly more than 40), and dug in enough to grab her tweets from a year ago.

I am also surprised he cared that much.

But that is the risk you take when you engage on twitter.
   34. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:50 PM (#5803729)
There's a reason that for most of history, 95% of people had no public voice; most people are idiots.


Didn't you once claim that there was legitimate scientific evidence in favor of a Polish priest turning a wafer into human flesh?
   35. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:19 PM (#5803743)
I think you guys are being ####### ridiculous about this kid, who made an innocuous joke and got harassed for it. And Twitter is not as simple as all that, especially if you're not a middle aged white dude whose interests are sports and maybe news. But by all means, continue to be tiresome, snotty, self-righteous, and very "get off my lawn" about it.
   36. McCoy Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:21 PM (#5803746)
She didn't just make a joke and get harassed for it. She argued with a stranger she knew nothing about and she did it for more than one single post. She thought she was having a grand old time until he took it too far in her opinion.
   37. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5803750)
I had my first Twitter beef over a fairly innocuous pro-wrestling comment which somehow attracted the ire of Lance Storm, a reasonably well-known wrestler whose gimmick was being a stoic, humorless Canadian. Worked yourself into a shoot there, brother.
   38. ajnrules Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:38 PM (#5803757)
Twitter is worth it for Ryan Thibodaux's Tracker updates alone.
   39. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:29 PM (#5803785)
I have retreated from basically all forms of social media—this site is really the only thing I still use when it comes to “communicating with others on the internet.”

Just because things exist doesn’t mean they are good. There’s certainly nothing about the Internet (as it exists in 2019) that brings us any closer to God. To paraphrase Tolstoi, it’s just the latest way to disseminate the vilest lies and hypocrisies, increasing our disunity and wretchedness.
   40. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5803788)
There’s certainly nothing about the Internet (as it exists in 2019) that brings us any closer to God.


More evidence that the internet is just a reflection of the world at large.
   41. bfan Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:57 PM (#5803801)
She didn't just make a joke and get harassed for it. She argued with a stranger she knew nothing about and she did it for more than one single post. She thought she was having a grand old time until he took it too far in her opinion.


Yes, and it becomes a dangerous world (and an end to twitter, IMHO) if we give credence to people who "feel harassed" on twitter (i.e., when the subjective feelings become the operative standard).

Why: how about this exchange:

Sensitive 20 year old to another party on twitter: "Your ideas are off-base, old fashioned and wrong"

Response by party to sensitive 20 year old: "No, your ideas are off-base, old fashioned and wrong."

Sensitive 20 year old: "I feel harassed."
   42. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 03:02 PM (#5803803)
(i.e., when the subjective feelings become the operative standard).

Yes, the movement from a "reasonable man" standard to an individual feelings standard in evaluating behavior is dangerous.

   43. Master of the Horse Posted: January 09, 2019 at 03:07 PM (#5803805)
39--don't know man. Matthew 18: 15-17: If your brother or sister sins against you, go and confront him while the two of you are alone. If he listens to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others with you so that every word may be confirmed by the testimony of two or three witnesses.

Sounds like the internet to me.
   44. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 03:17 PM (#5803809)

On the one hand, I agree with almost all the criticisms of social media.

On the other hand, my wife and I are only married today because we reconnected on Facebook about 5 years after graduating from college.

There are benefits to a more connected world.
   45. Nasty Nate Posted: January 09, 2019 at 03:21 PM (#5803810)

Yes, and it becomes a dangerous world (and an end to twitter, IMHO) if we give credence to people who "feel harassed" on twitter (i.e., when the subjective feelings become the operative standard).
I don't think she would have gotten much credence at all if Bauer hadn't kept posting.
   46. Master of the Horse Posted: January 09, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5803815)
Culturally there was a learning curve with these soc media setups. There was sorting that clearly had to happen and did happen. Now it's on the next phase of evolution. Totally get someone staying away from Facebook because along with being a completely bullshit platform the entire company is a mess. Avoid that garbage. But there are other options and if you get the roe you should be fine.
   47. Ziggy's screen name Posted: January 09, 2019 at 03:56 PM (#5803824)
But by all means, continue to be tiresome, snotty, self-righteous, and very "get off my lawn" about it.


Nice! We've got Voxter's permission!
   48. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 09, 2019 at 03:56 PM (#5803826)
It's strange to me that Giles seems to be getting more flak for descending into a place she should have known was a sewer than Bauer is getting for making it a sewer in the first place.
   49. BrianBrianson Posted: January 09, 2019 at 04:11 PM (#5803837)
She's not getting flak for descending into the sewer, she's getting flak for choosing to go into a swamp, choosing to slap a swamp monster, and then complaining she was in a slapping fight with a swamp monster.
   50. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 04:16 PM (#5803838)
Speaking of Twitter I got blocked by David Ortiz a couple of months ago. He made what I guess was a paid tweet for some fast food restaurant and I said I wouldn't eat there because the meat was full of artificial hormones but I could see why that wouldn't bother him so much.
   51. Adam Starblind Recommends SportSpyder.com Posted: January 09, 2019 at 04:17 PM (#5803839)
The harassed sounds like an idiot. You mocked and insulted a stranger you knew nothing about and then fall apart when you didn't like the results.

That's sort of the thing. If you started out mocking someone, I have a hard time mustering sympathy when you get mocked in return. Obviously threats would be a whole different level.


Read the article. Her "mocking" and "insulting" was saying that Bauer didn't have any rings. He then tweeted at her eighty (80!!!!) times.

Bauer is a public figure. He needs to have a thicker skin than that.
   52. Master of the Horse Posted: January 09, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5803841)
49--with Twitter it's mostly about the mfcking followers who go after the person and not the swamp monster itself though the monster certainly put out the invite, right? Twitter followers swarming against whomever on the platform is the functionality that causes all the major pain.
   53. BrianBrianson Posted: January 09, 2019 at 04:26 PM (#5803842)
Sure, it's wise and admirable for public figures to have thicker skins than that (and she tweeted a number of insults at him, if you'd read the article before chiding me about it's contents ;) ). But you can't expect (or demand) that of them.

And, of course, I haven't given her any flak. I'm only responding to Nawrocki's comment that it's strange, when it's exceedingly obvious why the reaction is like this.

And yes, the usual issue is that social media's format encourages mob responses. Which isn't particular to twitter, certainly I've seen the same thing happen on facebook, and I'm sure it happens whereever else you have large numbers of people able to respond. Forums, though the total number of users there is usually low.

There may be answers. Reddit seems to do better, but downvoting unpopular people into obscurity, you limit the number of responses you get (though, with anonymous nastiness, which can be quite high).
   54. Adam Starblind Recommends SportSpyder.com Posted: January 09, 2019 at 04:34 PM (#5803846)
Is anything going right in the United States right now?

I'll start: Streaming TV is great. I can't think of anything else.
   55. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 04:36 PM (#5803849)
Bauer is a public figure. He needs to have a thicker skin than that.

He actually doesn't. It's a free country. He can be a dick to people who taunt him on Twitter.
   56. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 04:45 PM (#5803854)
Well he now has 7 more followers than he did before today. Let's see how this plays out. It looks like he's already walking back some of his actions - 1 hour ago he tweeted, "I will wield the responsibility of my public platform more responsibly in the future."

Yeah, you better run!
   57. Adam Starblind Recommends SportSpyder.com Posted: January 09, 2019 at 04:50 PM (#5803858)

He actually doesn't. It's a free country. He can be a dick to people who taunt him on Twitter.


Thanks, Professor, I didn't mean he risks getting arrested.
   58. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 04:53 PM (#5803860)
Thanks, Professor, I didn't mean he risks getting arrested.

That's not what I meant. His celebrity and earning potential have nothing to do with whether people like him. If he was a politician or talk show host, he might have to get a thicker skin to preserve his career (or not given the current President).

An athlete is free to be a dick to others, and there will be no repercussions.
   59. Adam Starblind Recommends SportSpyder.com Posted: January 09, 2019 at 05:00 PM (#5803870)
So sayeth snapper. Love this forum.
   60. akrasian Posted: January 09, 2019 at 05:05 PM (#5803871)
I haven't seen this mentioned, the tweet that turned it from joking to more acerbic was "Unfortunately I don’t think a professional athlete that tweets like a 16 year girl on her period has a fan club"

At which point Bauer took the gloves off, after just joking with her that his being her least favorite athlete means that she should join the club.

IOW, she escalated it, and then whined when he didn't stop when she was ready to.

I have zero sympathy for her. She's old enough to realize that if you start a flame war, you don't get to choose when it stops.
   61. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 05:21 PM (#5803876)
So sayeth snapper. Love this forum.

Professional sports teams happily employ hundreds of convicted and accused felons. You think they're going to dump someone for being mean on Twitter?
   62. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 05:27 PM (#5803878)
Professional sports teams happily employ hundreds of convicted and accused felons.


I can think of another organization that employs more.
   63. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: January 09, 2019 at 05:40 PM (#5803881)
Um, all of them?
   64. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 09, 2019 at 05:51 PM (#5803883)
1) She probably should not be surprised that someone on Twitter is being mean to her. (That others joined in like this is something else.)
2) Trevor Bauer’s public persona is kinda gross; one of my least favorite people in MLB.
3) These kinds of swarming attacks are disproportionately directed at women. While I don’t know if that is a factor here, it’s worth noting...
   65. Howie Menckel Posted: January 09, 2019 at 05:52 PM (#5803884)
Twitter is not as simple as all that, especially if you're not a middle aged white dude whose interests are sports and maybe news.

again, Twitter is what you make it. if Twitter isn't "simple" enough for you, then you are not doing it right. gee, I hope that's not too "snotty" - is the truth a defense?
   66. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: January 09, 2019 at 05:57 PM (#5803885)
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people here are defending Bauer. Yes, she started it with the period joke, but he proceeded to mention her over and over in a childish and embarrassing way.

Someone up above likened it to someone starting a fight and then the other person justifiably cleaning the instigator's clock. That analogy doesn't work here. They were jokingly sparring, she did the twitter equivalent of playfully pushing him, and then he proceeded to do the twitter equivalent of smashing someone's face in with a beer bottle.
   67. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 09, 2019 at 06:11 PM (#5803891)
I don't think that many people here are defending Bauer - and those that did are the ones you could've guessed would have prior to reading this thread.
   68. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 06:20 PM (#5803892)
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people here are defending Bauer. Yes, she started it with the period joke, but he proceeded to mention her over and over in a childish and embarrassing way.

I'm not defending him. I repeatedly said he's a #######.

I'm just saying I don't have any sympathy for her.
   69. bfan Posted: January 09, 2019 at 06:26 PM (#5803893)
Oh come, on, you poke the bear, you live with the results. If you do not like the risk, don't poke the bear. Even with the article writer's efforts, I do not find her tweets to be sweet, harmless little nudges.

She started it; she was the antagonist. The rule cannot be that, as an antagonist, you can only expect responses of equal measure, but no more. That leaves one person in the relationship with all of the power in the conversation, and I would just decline to play in that world.

In the end, she is just playing a victim, and doing so quite nicely, I am happy to say.
   70. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 06:28 PM (#5803895)
She started it


Are you typing that while holding a comically oversize lollipop?
   71. Zach Posted: January 09, 2019 at 06:31 PM (#5803896)
I have retreated from basically all forms of social media—this site is really the only thing I still use when it comes to “communicating with others on the internet.”

It always amazes me that a site which is so filled with argumentative people has maintained such a high quality of discussion for so many years.

Good job, everyone!
   72. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: January 09, 2019 at 06:58 PM (#5803900)
She started it

Are you typing that while holding a comically oversize lollipop?


It's the line I always use with my wife after she tries to break up the fight between me and the cat.
   73. Srul Itza Posted: January 09, 2019 at 07:03 PM (#5803901)
I'm just saying I don't have any sympathy for her.


Not very Christian of you.
   74. akrasian Posted: January 09, 2019 at 07:35 PM (#5803911)
1) She probably should not be surprised that someone on Twitter is being mean to her. (That others joined in like this is something else.)

Actually, she jumped into a joking twitter thread between two friends, as the defender of Alex Bregman. I see no reason to think that she should be surprised that followers of Bauer jumped in to attack her. They were doing the same thing she had just done.

There were things he shouldn't have done - create alternate identities after she blocked him especially - but she started it and escalated it, then when she stopped having fun, decided it should stop immediately - which is not the way any internet flame war works, and hasn't since before she was born.

Bauer may be childish and overly persistent in attacking a troll, but I don't have sympathy for the troll either.

   75. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 07:57 PM (#5803913)
Not very Christian of you.

Nothing actually bad happened to her. A bunch of people she doesn't know posted mean things online. She didn't have to read any of their Tweets.
   76. Adam Starblind Recommends SportSpyder.com Posted: January 09, 2019 at 08:23 PM (#5803917)
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people here are defending Bauer. Yes, she started it with the period joke, but he proceeded to mention her over and over in a childish and embarrassing way.


Surprised not surprised. You know the inmates here by now. They're not like normal people.
   77. McCoy Posted: January 09, 2019 at 09:19 PM (#5803919)
On top of all that her life was perfectly normal until she decided to wafe back into it all and this cry every day after. She was doing just fine while she had him on block. Its only after she realized the works continues on despite her belief that she's the center of the world did she fall apart.

Trevor is an idiot but unless somebody comes up with some horrible tweets of his he sounded like a typical idiot not one you have to call you their employer and try to endanger their livelihood. Before he went full flame war on her I'm sure he could have made her squirm by going to her boss or her school or just releasing to the public her stupidity. And it looks like he did just that. Of course she's also foolish enough to then take all this public which I'm sure if going to help her career. Googling her in 5 years and asking her questions about you find should be fun.
   78. Howie Menckel Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:00 PM (#5803932)
how many people defended Bauer? I didn't.
   79. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 10:08 PM (#5803934)
how many people defended Bauer? I didn't.

None.
   80. Calvin T. Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:54 PM (#5803956)
On top of all that her life was perfectly normal until she decided to wafe back into it all and this cry every day after. She was doing just fine while she had him on block.


That's not correct. Post 52 didn't get enough attention in this thread.

You can block Bauer on Twitter. But when he keeps on posting tweets and keeps on @'ing her in them, all of his followers get the message that the fight is still on. And a very small subset of a celebrity's followers can make life hell for somebody. She got back into the thread not directly because of Bauer -- he was blocked by her -- but because Bauer's subsequent tweets we leading to attacks by people she hadn't blocked and those folks were continuing to attack and probably weren't gonna stop as long as Bauer was continuing to tweet about it.

I'm mixed in this. I agree with those saying that Bauer is free to respond to those that insult him. At the same time, anybody with 100k+ followers probably should be aware that there is a rotten eggs or two among the followers that might take things to the next level and maybe it's best to self-censor.

   81. Howie Menckel Posted: January 10, 2019 at 12:12 AM (#5803959)
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people here are defending Bauer.

Graham 66, here's the microphone.
   82. Sunday silence Posted: January 10, 2019 at 07:45 AM (#5803974)
These kinds of swarming attacks are disproportionately directed at women


Steve Bartman says "Hello."
   83. McCoy Posted: January 10, 2019 at 08:16 AM (#5803977)
From the article it said she was told by a friend that trevor was still writing about her and that before that she was unaware that that was going on.

Also to the claim abovr, Trevor didn't create multiple accounts to keep trolling her that was someone else trolling her according to the woman. It was a follower.

From the article Trevor mentioned her 80 times and she mentioned him 20 times as of the time of that article.
   84. McCoy Posted: January 10, 2019 at 08:29 AM (#5803978)
I would say the stories that go viral are disproportionately about women victims. I wonder why that is?

I'm absolutely sure that women get trolled worse than men but not by 30 or 50 to 1 ratios.
   85. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 08:50 AM (#5803980)
I would say the stories that go viral are disproportionately about women victims. I wonder why that is?


Women are victimized more often.

I'm absolutely sure that women get trolled worse than men but not by 30 or 50 to 1 ratios.


What is the correct ratio based on your research?
   86. Answer Guy. Posted: January 10, 2019 at 08:52 AM (#5803981)
I would say the stories that go viral are disproportionately about women victims.


Hard to say for sure. It would not at all be surprising if they are targeted more often - possibly much more often. It would also, however, not be surprising if they received disproportionate attention because men are more reluctant to come forward as victims.

If I were an undergrad foolish enough to have done something like this (I'm no more a fan of Bauer's than she is) my tack would more likely to be to disappear from Twitter for a while and emerge with some other handle as opposed to going to the press. (As it is I only use Twitter to follow other people. I don't tweet anything myself.) This feels more stereotypically "male" to me but maybe it's not?
   87. McCoy Posted: January 10, 2019 at 08:57 AM (#5803983)
Less
   88. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: January 10, 2019 at 09:23 AM (#5803986)
Trevor Bauer is a giant douche
Regardless, I like twitter
Using multiple accounts is a good idea
Makes disappearing one easier
Personal AND Professional advice from me

We make platforms what they are
Over time, users always paint the canvas
Rinse, repeat over and over again
Lows and highs, depths and heights
Decisions have consequences though
   89. . Posted: January 10, 2019 at 09:24 AM (#5803987)
Though Bauer is a megadouche, I'm still not exactly sure what people expected from these athletes when something like Twitter popped up and we could see more clearly who they "really are." For the most part, and there are exceptions, they are socially maladjusted people who aren't particularly smart and in some cases are outright stupid. They have a hard time functioning in regular civilian life while they're active (*), and after they "retire" they resemble most closely in their relationship to regular civilian society, soldiers returning home from war. (**)

The bigger question is why people need the fantasy that anything but this is the actual truth.

(*) For all the "OMG, that dangerous guy got on the field!!!" drivel we hear when some drunk numbnut manages to sneak into the outfield or whatnot, it remains the case that athletes are a far, far greater danger to civilians than civilians are to athletes.

(**) Again, exceptions prove rule.
   90. McCoy Posted: January 10, 2019 at 09:31 AM (#5803988)
That's not what that saying means.
   91. Blastin Posted: January 10, 2019 at 09:39 AM (#5803996)

Though Bauer is a megadouche, I'm still not exactly sure what people expected from these athletes when something like Twitter popped up and we could see more clearly who they "really are." For the most part, and there are exceptions, they are socially maladjusted people who aren't particularly smart and in some cases are outright stupid.


None of us should ever be surprised these massive men have small brains. Hoping actual smart guy Mussina makes it in the HOF this year. I kinda hate that I have to root for so many idiots. I genuinely get annoyed cheering for people who are a lot dumber than the people I know, but then they hit a dinger and I'm happy.
   92. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 10, 2019 at 09:53 AM (#5804000)
If I were an undergrad foolish enough to have done something like this (I'm no more a fan of Bauer's than she is) my tack would more likely to be to disappear from Twitter for a while and emerge with some other handle as opposed to going to the press.


She didn't go to the press. Deadspin did the first article on this, based solely on reading the series of tweets, without seeking out any comment from Giles. USA Today picked it up from there, with the article about her reaction that was linked above. She didn't "come forward as a victim" - the press sought her out.
   93. Answer Guy. Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:02 AM (#5804004)
None of us should ever be surprised these massive men have small brains. Hoping actual smart guy Mussina makes it in the HOF this year. I kinda hate that I have to root for so many idiots. I genuinely get annoyed cheering for people who are a lot dumber than the people I know, but then they hit a dinger and I'm happy.


Part of the Devil's Bargain of sports fandom I suppose.

It was easier when it was harder to know things about people that you really didn't want to know.
   94. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:02 AM (#5804005)
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people here are defending Bauer.


In related news, is anyone still curious as to why there are almost no women who post here? Because if so, this kind of stuff is why.
   95. Blastin Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:04 AM (#5804007)
related news, is anyone still curious as to why there are almost no women who post here? Because if so, this kind of stuff is why.


And few people who aren't white!


Sometimes I just can't with white dudes, man.

(Here come many to say NO THIS WASN'T BECAUSE OF THAT AND WE TREAT WOMEN AND PEOPLE OF COLOR WELL AND just shut up, for once, white guys).
   96. Howie Menckel Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:11 AM (#5804012)
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people here are defending Bauer.

I'm genuinely surprised at how poor so many posters' reading comprehension is.

[see thread headline. assume posters will defend Bauer. multiple posts to be produced by people wondering why so many defend Bauer. actually reading the posts is very much optional. it's not going to change the preordained assumption anyway. exit thread feeling smug and superior; don't realize how dumb you actually look. rinse and repeat.]
   97. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:12 AM (#5804014)
In related news, is anyone still curious as to why there are almost no women who post here?


There are a few effeminate men, that's gotta take the edge off.
   98. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:18 AM (#5804016)
And few people who aren't white!


Can you really tell? That's a legitimate question. I know there are at least a few Asian and Latino posters here, although I have no idea how many, and wouldn't know at all if they didn't mention it themselves.

Me, I'm just a boring ol' white guy.
   99. Blastin Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:18 AM (#5804017)
genuinely surprised at how poor so many posters' reading comprehension is.


That comment was sloppy. People are not really defending him so much as saying she is the real problem.
   100. Rusty Priske Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:19 AM (#5804018)
In related news, is anyone still curious as to why there are almost no women who post here? Because if so, this kind of stuff is why.


Yes. This.
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