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Monday, August 21, 2017

Colon becomes third active pitcher to beat all 30 teams

Minnesota Twins starter Bartolo Colon became the third active MLB pitcher to beat all 30 teams with a 12-5 win over the Arizona Diamondbacks on Sunday.

“It means a lot to my career,” Colon said through a translator after matching the Washington Nationals’ Max Scherzer and the Cubs’ John Lackey, who accomplished the feat last season. “Now, I haven’t won in two stadiums, so that’s the next goal.”

Colon checks another one in the record books.

Chris Fluit Posted: August 21, 2017 at 04:10 PM | 75 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: bartolo colon, diamondbacks, john lackey, max scherzer, twins

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   1. Chris Fluit Posted: August 21, 2017 at 04:47 PM (#5518075)
The article mentions that Scherzer and Lackey are the other two active pitchers, and that Al Leiter was the first to complete the feat in 2002. Does anyone have the play index mojo to find the full list?
   2. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 21, 2017 at 04:54 PM (#5518080)
Until then, Wikipedia will have to do, at least until I edit in pitchers named Peter Tork and Chuck E. Cheese:
As of August 20, 2017, there have been 18 pitchers who have beaten all 30 teams.
1. Al Leiter, April 30, 2002
2. Kevin Brown, March 31, 2004
3. Terry Mulholland, July 3, 2004
4. Curt Schilling, September 10, 2004
5. Woody Williams, September 26, 2006
6. Jamie Moyer, May 26, 2008
7. Randy Johnson, April 19, 2009
8. Barry Zito, June 12, 2010
9. A. J. Burnett, July 21, 2012
10. Javier Vázquez, July 21, 2010
11. Vicente Padilla, August 10, 2010
12. Derek Lowe, May 10, 2012
13. Dan Haren, August 9, 2013
14. Kyle Lohse, June 26, 2015
15. Tim Hudson, July 26, 2015
16. John Lackey, April 18, 2016
17. Max Scherzer, May 11, 2016
18. Bartolo Colon, August 20, 2017

As of August 20, 2017, nine active pitchers have defeated 29 teams.
CC Sabathia - has not defeated the Miami Marlins.
Zack Greinke - has not defeated the Kansas City Royals.
Ervin Santana - has not defeated the Milwaukee Brewers.
Ubaldo Jiménez - has not defeated the Colorado Rockies.
Francisco Liriano - has not defeated the Miami Marlins.
J.A. Happ - has not defeated the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Scott Kazmir - has not defeated the Milwaukee Brewers.
Jon Lester - has not defeated the Boston Red Sox.
Edwin Jackson - has not defeated the Atlanta Braves.
   3. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:06 PM (#5518086)
I'm assuming Colon's rough season is just a blip, and he'll go back to being as effective as he's been the last few seasons. He's a young 44, and only needs 12 more wins to get 250.
   4. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:09 PM (#5518091)
Edwin Jackson - has not defeated the Atlanta Braves.

Currently in the Nats rotation & they're slated to play Atlanta in a little over 3 weeks.
   5. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:13 PM (#5518096)
I wonder how many pitchers in the pre-free agency era beat every other Major League team, and how many batters today have homered in every current ballpark.
   6. BDC Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:18 PM (#5518099)
I wonder how many of the eighteen beat both Montreal and Washington. I think that Colon has done so (in addition to pitching for Montreal). Max Scherzer is too young to have faced the Expos, for instance.
   7. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:21 PM (#5518101)
I wonder how many pitchers in the pre-free agency era beat every other Major League team

These guys beat the 16 pre-expansion teams:
Cy Young
Tom Zachary
Waite Hoyt
Danny MacFayden
Hank Borowy

No idea about from 1961 to Andy Messersmith
   8. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:32 PM (#5518107)
I wonder how many pitchers in the pre-free agency era beat every other Major League team

These guys beat the 16 pre-expansion teams:
Cy Young
Tom Zachary
Waite Hoyt
Danny MacFayden
Hank Borowy


If that's all there was, it shows just how much free agency has changed the game.

No idea about from 1961 to Andy Messersmith

Jim Bunning came close with 21 of the 24 possible teams, but since he left the AL for good in 1964, he never got to face the Tigers, Royals, or Pilots/Brewers.

   9. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:36 PM (#5518113)
If that's all there was, it shows just how much free agency has changed the game.

Also: it was almost impossible to shift from one league to the other for a long time. I don't think they allowed trades between an AL team and an NL team until around 1959 or so; and even then it was initially just a brief window during the calendar year allowed for it.
   10. Batman Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:55 PM (#5518120)
Interleague play has probably had as much of an effect on this stat as free agency. Before interleague, somebody would have had to pitch for at least four different teams.
   11. aberg Posted: August 21, 2017 at 06:04 PM (#5518124)
Colon has 42 IP of 100 ERA+ for the Twins. Since the alternatives have been guys like Turley, Wilk, and Tepesch, that might be the thing keeping them clinging to the WC. Doubt they'll hold on all the way, but still pretty cool.
   12. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 21, 2017 at 06:07 PM (#5518126)
Interleague play has probably had as much of an effect on this stat as free agency. Before interleague, somebody would have had to pitch for at least four different teams.

Yup. Barry Zito is on the list and he played on only two teams. Before interleague, he'd have to play for at least 4 teams.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 21, 2017 at 06:11 PM (#5518132)
I don't think they allowed trades between an AL team and an NL team until around 1959 or so; and even then it was initially just a brief window during the calendar year allowed for it.

IIRC trades were allowed, but the players had to pass through waivers within their own league. So, it was virtually impossible to construct a trade only using players so bad that none of the other 7 teams in your league would want them for free.
   14. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 21, 2017 at 07:04 PM (#5518146)
Now, I haven’t won in two stadiums, so that’s the next goal


This makes me wonder who has the record for wins in the most different stadiums. I believe that Fred McGriff has the record for home runs in the most different stadiums. McGriff was somewhat of a man of his time, stretching his career across both the new stadium boom and extending past the most recent expansion with significant time spent in both leagues both early and late in his career.
   15. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 21, 2017 at 07:09 PM (#5518150)
I'm assuming Colon's rough season is just a blip, and he'll go back to being as effective as he's been the last few seasons. He's a young 44, and only needs 12 more wins to get 250.


Watch as he pulls a Jack Quinn and pitches until he's 49.
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 21, 2017 at 07:29 PM (#5518159)
Wouldn't losing to all 30 teams be even more difficult.
   17. BDC Posted: August 21, 2017 at 08:21 PM (#5518172)
Jim Bunning came close with 21 of the 24 possible teams

Milt Pappas also beat 21 teams: 12 National League teams and nine AL. Exactly parallel to Bunning, except that Pappas did not beat the Orioles.
   18. BDC Posted: August 21, 2017 at 08:26 PM (#5518175)
Hoyt Wilhelm beat 22 teams: the ten 1961-68-era clubs plus the Royals and Padres. He saved games against the Pilots and Expos but did not beat them.
   19. eric Posted: August 21, 2017 at 08:31 PM (#5518176)
Watch as he pulls a Jack Quinn and pitches until he's 49.


Quinn actually pitched his last game 6 days after his 50th birthday.

I think no matter how good he is, watching a 50-year-old Bartolo Colon (try to) pitch to major league batters would be first-rate entertainment.
   20. BDC Posted: August 21, 2017 at 08:32 PM (#5518177)
And (last one for now) Al Downing beat 22 teams, 23 if you count the Pilots and Brewers separately. Downing never beat the Yankees, and never pitched against the Dodgers.
   21. John DiFool2 Posted: August 21, 2017 at 08:40 PM (#5518180)
This makes me wonder who has the record for wins in the most different stadiums.

So, who has the most wins in the most stadiums?
   22. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 21, 2017 at 09:17 PM (#5518200)
Apparently I was wrong about McGriff. He homered in 43 parks. Griffey had 44 and Sosa had 45. McGriff may have had the record at one point and I missed the news of him getting passed. A simple Google search isn't helping me on the wins question.
   23. Sweatpants Posted: August 21, 2017 at 09:23 PM (#5518203)
Downing never beat the Yankees, and never pitched against the Dodgers.
Obviously it doesn't count for this exercise, but Downing did start a game in the 1963 World Series.
   24. BDC Posted: August 21, 2017 at 09:24 PM (#5518205)
I count Randy Johnson as having won games in 43 different stadiums, which seems preposterous, and makes me think I'm reading his B-Ref split page wrong.

Anyway, that'll do for a "can you top this" :)
   25. BDC Posted: August 21, 2017 at 09:26 PM (#5518209)
Obviously it doesn't count for this exercise, but Downing did start a game in the 1963 World Series

Good catch! I think if he'd beaten the Yankees in the Series, it should have counted.
   26. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 21, 2017 at 09:34 PM (#5518213)
Obviously it doesn't count for this exercise, but Downing did start a game in the 1963 World Series


Good catch! I think if he'd beaten the Yankees in the Series, it should have counted.

Well, given that he'd already allowed the game winning runs to score before he'd even retired a batter in the top of the first, you might say he did just that. (Pulls blanket over head at the memory.)
   27. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:14 PM (#5518226)
Obviously it doesn't count for this exercise, but Downing did start a game in the 1963 World Series

Actually, it does count for these sorts of lists.

Tommy John is always included on the list of people who beat all 26 teams (back when there were only 26 teams) and the only team he beat the Dodgers came in the World Series when he was a Yank.
   28. oscar madisox Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:30 PM (#5518242)
I'm pretty sure Rick Wise beat all 26 teams in existence when he was playing and I don't think he was the first player to do it. Doyle Alexander too.



   29. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:37 PM (#5518247)
I count Randy Johnson as having won games in 43 different stadiums, which seems preposterous, and makes me think I'm reading his B-Ref split page wrong.
Pedro won in 40 stadiums, that's the closest I've found.
   30. The Duke Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:46 PM (#5518250)
Does Bartolo have a chance at the Hall? He certainly wouldn't get in using conventional math but there is something to be admired about staying power.
   31. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: August 21, 2017 at 10:57 PM (#5518255)
If he somehow stuck around long enough to at least sniff 300 wins, maybe. It's not completely impossible, I guess.
   32. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:36 PM (#5518266)
I'm pretty sure Rick Wise beat all 26 teams in existence when he was playing and I don't think he was the first player to do it. Doyle Alexander too.

Actually, Wise was the first to do so:

Rick Wise: 6/25/78
Mike Torrez: 8/3/78
Gaylord Perry: 9/21/78
Doyle Alexander: 8/15/81
Tommy John: 10/21/81 - in the World Series
Don Sutton: 8/7/86
Nolan Ryan: 6/4/89
Rich Gossage: 9/7/89
Rick Sutcliffe: 4/6/92
Scott Sanderson: 5/30/92

I'm pretty sure that's it - 10 in all.
   33. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:36 PM (#5518267)
Obviously it doesn't count for this exercise, but Downing did start a game in the 1963 World Series

Actually, it does count for these sorts of lists.


It must not be counted consistently - Lackey beat the Cardinals in the 2013 World Series, but his first regular season win over them last year was considered the last team he had to beat to complete the set.

Edit: Link to the story. Also edited again for less-accusatory phrasing. Best guess is that people noticed the World Series start for Tommy John because it was the last team he had to beat, but may not have noticed it for some past pitcher for whom it was team 11 or something. (Or for Lackey, more recently.)
   34. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 21, 2017 at 11:52 PM (#5518271)
[24] Randy Johnson is the guy I was thinking of since he, like McGriff, played in both leagues early and late in his career and had a career that spanned the new ballpark boom and the most recent expansion.
   35. stevegamer Posted: August 22, 2017 at 12:44 AM (#5518279)
I think no matter how good he is, watching a 50-year-old Bartolo Colon (try to) pitch to major league batters would be first-rate entertainment.


Also possibly less entertaining than watching him bat.
   36. Chris Fluit Posted: August 22, 2017 at 07:51 AM (#5518295)
This thread is exactly what I was hoping for when I posted this link. Thank you, fellow Primates!
   37. oscar madisox Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:30 AM (#5518306)
Thanks, Dag. What a great list.

Vida Blue missed out on both Bay Area teams - not surprising since that's where he played most of his career.

The other interesting player is Fergie Jenkins, who beat 24 teams, missing out on the Rangers and Cubs. He did, however, lose to all 26 teams. His only loss with the Phillies in 1965 came against the Cubs on Sept. 21.


   38. BDC Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:31 AM (#5518307)
Johnson is the guy I was thinking of since he, like McGriff, played in both leagues early and late in his career and had a career that spanned the new ballpark boom and the most recent expansion

Exactly. I count ten teams that Johnson beat in two different home parks. There were two others where he did not win a game: Memorial in Baltimore, and Fulton County.

I wondered about Cy Young, who pitched in both leagues at a time of some franchise instability. I don't think he'd get to 43, but he obviously pitched in a lot of parks. However, the stadium situation had settled down a little in the 1890s, with larger and better-maintained wooden parks having longer lifespans. And Young wasn't around for the concrete-and-steel boom of the 1910s. His total may "only" be in the 20s somewhere.
   39. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:44 AM (#5518343)


I didn't see this answered earlier, but there are only 8 pitchers that have beaten all 30 franchises AND have beaten both the Nationals and the Expos:

Woody Williams
Jamie Moyer
Randy Johnson
A.J. Brunett
Vincent Padilla
Dan Haren
Tim Hudson
Bartolo Colon

   40. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:13 AM (#5518375)
Hoyt Wilhelm beat 22 teams: the ten 1961-68-era clubs plus the Royals and Padres.

Did he beat the 20 non-SDP/KCR teams prior to 1969? If so, he can briefly claim to have defeated all MLB teams.
   41. BDC Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:15 AM (#5518381)
Did he beat the 20 non-SDP/KCR teams prior to 1969?

Unfortunately no, as Wilhelm was solely in the AL 1961-68. He beat the Astros (and the Padres) in 1969, and the Mets in 1970.

Also, many thanks to RTG for that Expos note in #39; and as evident, in what Dag quotes in #40 I meant 20 teams, not ten.
   42. BDC Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:36 AM (#5518409)
I do wonder about a few guys like Tim Keefe and Pud Galvin, who pitched in the NL, AA, and Players' League in the 1880s and early '90s, when franchises came and went and grounds mushroomed and burned down and were rebuilt. They would have beaten a lot of different teams in a lot of different venues. This is a longer research project than I would like to undertake :)
   43. DL from MN Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:50 AM (#5518420)
I count 42 stadiums with a win for Jamie Moyer, 50 where he had a decision.
   44. Booey Posted: August 22, 2017 at 11:04 AM (#5518437)
I believe that Fred McGriff has the record for home runs in the most different stadiums.


I don't know how to look this up, but I thought it was the other McG who debuted in 1986 - McGwire.
   45. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 22, 2017 at 11:29 AM (#5518459)
[44] Nope. McGwire doesn't even make the top 6. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/history/rare_feats/index.jsp?feature=hr_ballpark
   46. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 22, 2017 at 11:29 AM (#5518461)
I don't know how to look this up, but I thought it was the other McG who debuted in 1986 - McGwire.

McGwire has 39 per bbref. McGriff has 43. Sosa has 45.

Though of the 3, only McGwire hit at least 1 HR in every park he played in.

Jim Thome had 38, plus 8 stadiums he played in but didn't HR (including 10 games in Coors Field). So he had a chance to be the all-time leader.

Beltre needs to be added to the list in [45] - he's also got 40 by my count, with no HR yet in the new stadiums in FLA or STL, plus no HRs in WAS.
   47. Booey Posted: August 22, 2017 at 11:33 AM (#5518468)
Colon is a great example to point to whenever someone says that no one will ever win 300 games again. After winning just 14 games from ages 33-37, he's bounced back and racked up 85 wins from age 38 on. An actual HOF caliber pitcher with a better head start - say CC Sabathia or Justin Verlander or whoever - could pass 300+ if they were able to approach Colon's latter years.
   48. michaelplank has knowledgeable eyes Posted: August 22, 2017 at 12:28 PM (#5518525)
Pedantic but serious (non-snarky) question: Are these stadium lists counting novelty events like the game in Williamsport the other night, Puerto Rico, etc.?
   49. SoSH U at work Posted: August 22, 2017 at 12:46 PM (#5518531)
Pedantic but serious (non-snarky) question: Are these stadium lists counting novelty events like the game in Williamsport the other night, Puerto Rico, etc.?


Probably not, but they should. Anywhere a major league baseball game is scheduled should be included.
   50. BDC Posted: August 22, 2017 at 12:46 PM (#5518532)
Are these stadium lists counting novelty events like the game in Williamsport the other night, Puerto Rico, etc.?

On B-Ref, they do. If you look at Ivan Nova's career splits, for instance, he shows up as 1-0 lifetime in BB&T Park, which is Williamsport. It's listed as PIT because the Pirates were considered the home team, but it's a different line from PNC Park (where he's 10-3 lifetime).
   51. villageidiom Posted: August 22, 2017 at 02:56 PM (#5518668)
Colon has lost in 38 different stadia, including all 30 active MLB stadia. But Jamie Moyer has lost in 43 different stadia (and won in 42). I haven't yet found anyone who has done better (or worse?).

TRIVIA:

1. Colon has won in 40 different stadia in the regular season. And yet, he has still never won in two ACTIVE MLB stadia. Name them.

2. Colon is undefeated in 7 stadia, none of which were used for MLB games in 2017. Name them all.


   52. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:01 PM (#5518672)
1. Colon has won in 40 different stadia in the regular season. And yet, he has still never won in two ACTIVE MLB stadia. Name them.

I think he was bad enough for Atlanta that their new one might be one...for the other, New Yankee Stadium?
   53. Booey Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:04 PM (#5518675)
1. Colon has won in 40 different stadia in the regular season. And yet, he has still never won in two ACTIVE MLB stadia. Name them.


TFA mentions which two (I won't ruin it for those that haven't read it).

But no, neither Atlanta nor New Yankee Stadium are correct.
   54. villageidiom Posted: August 22, 2017 at 03:05 PM (#5518678)
Nope. He's already won in all MLB stadia that opened in the last decade.
   55. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:22 PM (#5518736)
Colon has won in 40 different stadia in the regular season. And yet, he has still never won in two ACTIVE MLB stadia. Name them.

He only played in the NL for the Mets, briefly for Atlanta and Montreal, so I will go with West Coast NL teams. Since he pitched for the Angels, I will skip the Dodgers, as he probably pitched there in interleague play.

Arizona, and San Francisco.
   56. villageidiom Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:27 PM (#5518739)
And to be more precise on 2., "undefeated" means "has at least one win, without a loss".
   57. villageidiom Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:30 PM (#5518741)
Arizona is correct. His only win against the Diamondbacks just happened, but it was at Target Field. He is 0-2 at Chase Field.

Colon is 0-1 in two starts at the other field, though he is 1-3 lifetime against the team that calls it home.
   58. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:32 PM (#5518745)
[55] You're half right.

Edit: Coke to villageidiom
   59. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:32 PM (#5518747)
#2 - Hiram Bithorn Stadium, Tiger Stadium
   60. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:35 PM (#5518749)
#2 - Did he come up early enough to steal a win or two at the Kingdome before it closed?
   61. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:37 PM (#5518751)
More for #2 - RFK Stadium, Veterans Stadium
   62. villageidiom Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:50 PM (#5518765)
#59. No, but I like your line of thinking on Hiram Bithorn.
#60. No.
#61. No and no. I think Colon was with the Angels while the Nationals played at RFK.
   63. DL from MN Posted: August 22, 2017 at 04:59 PM (#5518774)
San Diego - Jack Murphy for the other one?
   64. villageidiom Posted: August 22, 2017 at 05:05 PM (#5518780)
63. Nope. Interestingly, Colon has never pitched there.

Huh, seems like that would have been a good trivia question, too.
   65. Greg Pope Posted: August 22, 2017 at 05:05 PM (#5518781)
Beltre needs to be added to the list in [45] - he's also got 40 by my count, with no HR yet in the new stadiums in FLA or STL, plus no HRs in WAS.

Has Beltre homered in the new ATL stadium?
   66. villageidiom Posted: August 22, 2017 at 05:13 PM (#5518788)
Has Beltre homered in the new ATL stadium?
Not yet. He hasn't played there yet.
   67. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 05:17 PM (#5518789)
Is he undefeated at Stade Olympique? That would be awesome.
   68. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 22, 2017 at 05:57 PM (#5518830)
One of Colons undefeated stadium is the Tokyo Dome.
   69. villageidiom Posted: August 22, 2017 at 06:09 PM (#5518836)
#67: No, he went 6-2 there.
   70. villageidiom Posted: August 22, 2017 at 06:11 PM (#5518839)
#68: CORRECT! That was the tricky one.

So we still have one active MLB stadium where he is winless, and 6 inactive MLB stadia where he is undefeated with at least 1 win.
   71. Walt Davis Posted: August 23, 2017 at 02:15 AM (#5519156)
Fergie got to 24 of 26 teams ... and he never beat the Cubs or the Rangers but lost to both so he did lose to all 26. Niekro beat 25, never the Braves.

Could be a good use of the h-index ... that's where the number X represents the point where "numbers of teams beat" meets "number of victories over a team."

For example, Colon has an h-index of 9 -- there are 9 teams he's beaten at least 9 times ... but there are not 10 teams he has beaten at least 10 times. He's screwed a bit by h-index as he's actually beaten those 9 teams at least 11 times but such is the nature of the h-index. Anyway, he has 21 career against the Rangers and 20 against the Ms down to 11 against CWS, Twins, Phils and Jays. For losses his h-index is 8 but that's a bit harder to interpret.

His worst record is the 2-6 vs the Dodgers.

Colon's h-index of 10 strikes me as pretty impressive for a guy without 300 wins. Some other quick checks:

Perry 13
Johnson 12
Sutton 11 (not enough AL time)
Fergie 12 (26-8 vs the Phils, that'll teach 'em)
Moyer 11 (18-4 vs the O's which I guess will teach them to give him a chance, find success then let him go FA)
Wells 10 (he's lost to all 30 but never beat Rox or Pitt)
Niekro 11

So maybe not so impressive by Colon.

Maybe slightly less obvious:

Dennis Martinez 27 teams, 3 he pitched against with no decisions (but 1 save vs the Expos), h-index 10

Mike Morgan ... wins against 28, a loss against the 29th, beat no team more than 10 times, h-index 7. Never won vs Rays, never pitched vs DBacks.

Eck ... wins against 24, saves against 26, pitched against 28 -- he survived until 98 so saw expansion and inter-league. Never pitched against AZ or TB, had a win and/or a save against everybody else.
   72. Walt Davis Posted: August 23, 2017 at 02:33 AM (#5519158)
Eck h-index of 10 for wins and 13 for saves. (13 for saves probably not too impressive on its own).

Hoyt had a wins h-index of 9 and saves h-index of 11.

Fingers won against 22, lost against 25, saves against 25 (Padres), wins h-index of 7, saves h-index of 11.

Gossage had wins against 26, saves against 26, wins h-index of 7, saves h-index of 12.

Maybe Eck's 13 is a good saves h-index.

Street has wins against 23 and saves against 30. Saves h-index of just 11.

Smith had saves against 28 (AZ, TB) but did last barely long enough for inter-league. Saves h-index of 13.

Dark horse Doug Jones beat 24 of 30, saves against 28 of 30, AZ the only one with neither. Saves h-index of 11.

K-Rod has saves against 30 and a saves h-index of 15. Leader in the clubhouse for saves h-index.
   73. villageidiom Posted: August 23, 2017 at 08:04 AM (#5519169)
TRIVIA:

1. Colon has won in 40 different stadia in the regular season. And yet, he has still never won in two ACTIVE MLB stadia. Name them.

2. Colon is undefeated in 7 stadia, none of which were used for MLB games in 2017. Name them all.


ANSWERS (highlight below to reveal the answers not yet given):

1. Chase Field and Wrigley Field (0-1 in 2 starts there).

2. Tokyo Dome, Busch Stadium 1, Three Rivers Stadium, Riverfront/Cinergy Stadium, County Stadium, the Astrodome, and Joe Robbie/Dolphin/Pro Player/Land Shark/Sun Life/Hard Rock Stadium. In addition to those 7 he has also pitched in 8 other defunct stadia.

EDIT: Within [] brackets, use color=transparent to make the text go away, and /color to make it reappear.
   74. Greg Pope Posted: August 23, 2017 at 08:56 AM (#5519186)
Beltre needs to be added to the list in [45] - he's also got 40 by my count, with no HR yet in the new stadiums in FLA or STL, plus no HRs in WAS.

Has Beltre homered in the new ATL stadium?

Not yet. He hasn't played there yet.

Looks like we need to have Beltre go to the NL.
   75. Walt Davis Posted: August 23, 2017 at 06:53 PM (#5519757)
Craig Kimbrel has saves against all 30 teams and already has a h-index of 10. If he can pick up 1 more against the Rays and Jays (or other combinations), he'll be at 11 by season's end.

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