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Of course, the Rockies might have gotten screwed on the Atkins blast, which would have ended the game sooner.
Carroll didn't even know Holliday was injured - Craig Sager had to tell him.
"One of your teammates got injured"
"WHO?"
Except Barrett didn't come close to making a tag.
I don't buy that. Plenty of times umps don't make the call right away. They ain't sure. I've seen plenty of umps blow calls, but I don't think I've ever seen one intentionally blow a call.
It looked McClelland was going to call Holliday out, but Barrett didn't hold on the ball.
Good point.
Great throw by Giles, by the way. I never thought they had a chance.
But that was a blown call. Barrett clearly blocked the plate. Then again, the umps blew the call on Garrett Atkins HR earlier in the game. No way the ball comes back at that angle if it hit the top of the wall.
Great game nonetheless. Too bad the Padres didn't stick with Thatcher for a few more batters. He was mowing them down before he got the hook. Kind of reminds me of the Phillies pulling Roger Mason to go to Mitch Williams in Game 6 of the 1993 World Series.
Terrible job by the umpires, though.
And good work from TBS. Not perfect, but having TBS doing some games in the playoffs will be a pleasure compared to the last few years.
First they missed the homer. Then they missed the no score at home.
(1) Hoffman obviously is a great closer, but every time I watch him, he just looks lousy
(2) Holliday clearly missed home plate, they blew that call big time
(3) What an amazing game. Wow.
Good point.---
Huh? McClelland was going to base his call based on the assumption that he was going to be out, then when neither the tag was made NOR the plate touched, he goes from making an out call to NO call???? and only after barrett goes to tag holliday does he THEN make a safe call as in "hey, remember when he tried to touch the plate a few seconds ago? well, he did."
As they should. It's a shame too. There was no reason for a game that good to end on a blown call.
No, b/c once the umpired calls him safe, he's safe. I assume. Although I guess the reverse isn't true. sometimes an ump will call someone out and then realize the ball was dropped.
I'll second, third, and fourth that.
Yeah, he was. Barrett tagged him after he got the ball back.
This is an absolutely insane point of view.
Calling him safe was premature, but Barret's failure to tag was the true ERROR.
If the technology originally (when baseball first started)existed to have perfect officiating/umpiring, nobody would argue that adding error would make the game better. So i don't buy this argument at all. It's something that can be fixed, and SHOULD be fixed. Otherwise, let's forget about objectivity and just have judges score the game.
I have a hard time seeing any Wildcard tiebreaker being "legendary" unless it ends on an unassisted triple play or something else weird like that.
Game 7 of an LCS or WS, sure. Wildcard tiebreaker, not so sure.
McClelland should be asked what the hell he was looking at. Clearly he choked when the fans went wild between the time Holiday missed home and the ball bounced away for a second..... but before Barrett could apply the tag TM offered a dispassionate safe call. Blowing this game.
WHERE WAS TBS?>>>!>!>>! they act like they were watching golf.
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE!!!
How so? By the time the ball got to Barrett, Holliday was sliding past the plate. If Barrett makes a clean catch, his only option would be to do exactly what he did; tag a prone Holliday 5 feet beyond home plate. Logically, how could this result in a different call than what really happened, which was Barrett picking up the ball and tagging a prone Holliday 5 feet beyond home plate??
Game 7 of an LCS or WS, sure. Wildcard tiebreaker, not so sure.
Did you watch the game?
Also, Tom Glavine and Trevor Hoffman are HOFers who are nails when it counts. No way could those young Marlins beat Glavine with the division on the line, and no way could some chumps like Tulowitzki and Holliday touch Hoffman in that situation.
Oh, wait.
So re-rank your MVPs of the game, NTN ...
Too many posters are using the umpire's reaction time as evidence that Holliday was out. This is TIm McClelland. It takes him 30 seconds to call a strike. Just because he didn't make the call immediately does not mean he hesitated. Sheesh.
Watch the replay. Barret's foot ends up off the plate. Why? It was pushed off by Holliday's hand as it crossed the back edge.
All those Christianity Days they have at the park paid off!!
So does this restart the idea that the umpires are out to get the Padres or is this just a home field advantage kind of thing.
Either way it is pretty clear that the umpire didn't know what to do and just flipped a coin. I guess in those circumstances safe was the easier call for both reasons.
Wow, what an awful call at the end of the game. Holliday actually probably stole one by not scrambling back to the plate. Worst call by a plate ump since Doug Eddings lied on national television.
Holliday banging his chin on the ground probably helped him there. Instead of scrambling to try and touch the plate he just lay there kind of stunned. Reminds me a bit of Kelly Gruber back in 1992...
Why would Brady Clark be happy that his team just got its heart ripped out? I'd think Jorge Julio would be quite a bit more relieved and elated.
As I said in the chatter, Hoffman's been Gwynn'd. Stick a fork in him - he'll never be the same.
:P
Did you see all of the game? He would have been tarred and feathered as soon as the plane touched down in San Diego.
Now he'll be allowed to live.
You have to see the replays based on the camera that's behind and left of the plate, not the one looking down the 3rd base line. ESPN has shown that angle several times.
Do you mean when he completed the triple-play-that-wasn't?
Or are you getting him confused with Todd Stottlemyer's be-jacketed faceplant while trying to go from 1st to 3rd during the highest-scoring World Series game in history?
The Hand of God! But unlike with Maradona, it was the real God, repaying the Rockies for glorifying him!
And when -- honestly -- the two teams in question are the San Diego Padres and the Colorado Rockies (as much as I've been rooting for the Rockies over the past few weeks), when nobody's really got a dog in the fight, this sort of thing makes it a helluva lot more memorable.
I'd sort of agree that this is no good in a regular season game, but this is honestly part of what makes playoff baseball fascinatingly great.
And can't you just see a curmudgeon in 1951 saying something like #39?
Each Rockies-Phillies game could be AL-style 4+ hour game with 8 pitchers used for each team, with a final score of 14-13. Fun stuff ahead.
ESPN, by the way, is off their post-MNF coverage and talking about how baseball should start using an football-ish replay system. I hate ESPN.
I'm curious. There has to be ONE poster here. Probably a lurker... SHOW YOURSELF. WE MUST MAKE FIRST CONTACT.
The Phillies already know how to do that. Just consult the history books.
I say the hand of God touched the plate.
The answer is obvious. Barrett's foot got scared.
Or are you getting him confused with Todd Stottlemyer's be-jacketed faceplant while trying to go from 1st to 3rd during the highest-scoring World Series game in history?
He scored a run in one of the games in Toronto where he smashed his face into the ground and had a bloody chin, IIRC. I think it was in the Jimmy Key game, Jays won 2-1 or 3-1, something like that. Off to retrosheet...
Not sure if Holliday touched the plate based on the replays, but McClellan wouldn't have called him safe if he hadn't seen something that resembled a hand sweep across, I figure.
Oh, I forgot about that one. You're right. He also did a face-plant.
Further proof that white men can't slide.
If I'm the Phillies' PA guy, I'm queueing this up for Holliday's first AB.
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