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Tuesday, December 10, 2013

Colorado Rockies acquire pitcher Brett Anderson from A’s | MLB.com

The Rockies acquired left-handed starting pitcher Brett Anderson and cash considerations from the Athletics on Tuesday for lefty starter Drew Pomeranz and Minor League righty Chris Jensen, the teams announced.

Jim Furtado Posted: December 10, 2013 at 07:04 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: December 10, 2013 at 07:09 PM (#4615523)
I'm surprised to learn Brett Anderson had positive trade value with that contract.

Nice read by Billy Beane. (If I'd been running the A's, I'd have just declined his option!)
   2. bob gee Posted: December 10, 2013 at 07:14 PM (#4615532)
was hopeful that he could have dealt anderson to the yanks, but oh well.
   3. RJ in TO Posted: December 10, 2013 at 07:30 PM (#4615536)
The Jays were rumored to be interested in him. Given their recent record of keeping pitchers healthy, I'm glad he went elsewhere.
   4. A triple short of the cycle Posted: December 10, 2013 at 07:32 PM (#4615537)
Colorado is my preferred destination for traded A's players, as I will rarely hear about them again, and it is easier for me to get over the breakup that way.
   5. guajolote2 Posted: December 10, 2013 at 07:39 PM (#4615544)
That's interesting. Lottery ticket for lottery ticket. I like the A's getting something out of Pomeranz more than the Rockies getting a full season out of Anderson, let alone multiple full seasons.
   6. esseff Posted: December 10, 2013 at 07:56 PM (#4615551)
I'm surprised to learn Brett Anderson had positive trade value with that contract.


Heyman says the Rockies are getting $2 million in the deal.
   7. zonk Posted: December 10, 2013 at 08:29 PM (#4615563)
I'm not sure why Beane is getting so much credit here -- Pomeranz is about the same age as Anderson and has taken big steps backwards each of the last two seasons, while Jensen is at the fringes of the term 'prospect' at best.

I realize it's been a few years since he was healthy - but Anderson at least has a record of major league success and between the option and the A's kicking in cash, the Rox are basically getting a 1 year flier for 6 mil to see if Brett can return to health.

In return, the A's get a guy that was a prospect 3 years ago and another guy that took 3 years to belong in the same sentence as the word 'prospect'.

Unless the A's are desperate to save 6 million dollars -- the Rockies seem like pretty clear winners here.
   8. Poster Nutbag Posted: December 10, 2013 at 08:48 PM (#4615573)
There is also the $1.5 buyout to take into consideration. The cash moving basically pays that for Colorado.

So, more like the Rockies are paying $7.5 mil to see if Anderson can continue his trend in GB% (and NOT continue his trend in the injury dept).

Looks like a decent deal for both sides, as keeping Anderson means you net nothing.

Moving 1 year of Anderson bought X more years of cost-controlled pitching and salary space to acquire hitting. That's the bottom line.
   9. guajolote2 Posted: December 10, 2013 at 09:00 PM (#4615579)
I'm not sure why Beane is getting so much credit here


Well, I wouldn't say that Beane deserves great credit here, but context matters. Anderson wasn't going to be on the team in 2014. The option wasn't getting picked up or he was getting traded. If Anderson stays healthy, the A's are going to badly lose any trade they can make for him right now. If Beane didn't want to risk that hit, he never would have picked up the option. So putting that aside, when the money is factored in, by picking up Anderson's option, the A's were able to buy Drew Pomeranz and a throw in for $500,000. Not a bad move.
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 10, 2013 at 10:01 PM (#4615611)
In a vacuum, I think Colorado wins the trade easily. But do they think they're going to be competitive in the next two years? I guess I don't really see it. They seem mediocre at best to me. They'd be better off seeing what they have in Pomeranz.

So putting that aside, when the money is factored in, by picking up Anderson's option, the A's were able to buy Drew Pomeranz and a throw in for $500,000. Not a bad move.


Anderson was drawing a lot of interest reportedly. Seems like they might have been able to get something better, but I guess I don't know what Toronto and others were willing to part with.
   11. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: December 10, 2013 at 10:15 PM (#4615619)
I'm with zonk. Pomeranz used to have some prospect pedigree, and maybe the A's can turn him around. But Anderson's injury problems last year were not arm related and when he came back, he looked to be in much better shape (or had at least lost a lot of extra weight). I'm also not sold on Kazmir considering where he was a year ago at this time and was hoping they could hang on to Anderson as insurance at least into spring training. His value wasn't going to go down any more than it already had. I get the money part, but I'd rather take my chances with Anderson than have Jim Johnson.
   12. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 10, 2013 at 11:16 PM (#4615662)
His value wasn't going to go down any more than it already had. I get the money part, but I'd rather take my chances with Anderson than have Jim Johnson.

Me too. So far I think the A's are 2-3 on their offseason moves:

Good -- Sign Kazmir, Seth Smith for Luke Gregerson

Bad -- Brett Anderson for Drew Pomeranz, Jemile Weeks for Jim Johnson, Michael Choice and Chris Bostick for Craig Gentry

It looks to me like they improved their bench and bullpen a little bit and gave up a lot of upside that could have manifested in 2014
   13. Squash Posted: December 10, 2013 at 11:34 PM (#4615668)
Michael Choice and Chris Bostick for Craig Gentry

I was down on this move early, but I like it more and more. Gentry puts up huge WAR numbers in very limited PAs - he may be a sleeping giant. Choice strikes me as a fairly interchangeable 20 HR OF, Bostick is good. Weeks for Johnson looks to me as a push. Better performance vs. a lot more money.
   14. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 10, 2013 at 11:40 PM (#4615673)
There were 30 OFers to hit 20 HRs last year, that's not a throwaway quality anymore.
   15. Willie Mayspedes Posted: December 10, 2013 at 11:46 PM (#4615674)
Is pomeranz similar to gio gonzalez? Good and somewhat comparable minor league numbers but worse scouting reports.
   16. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: December 11, 2013 at 12:00 AM (#4615682)
Choice hit 14 homers in the PCL last year. I don't think 20 is any sort of lock. But my feelings about the trade are the same as Squash's. Gentry is growing on me.

Choice might be good, but he's not going to be a star. And I don't think he has as much potential to add value in less apparent areas like defense and on the bases as Gentry. If we just compare OPS numbers, it's probably pretty even. But then Gentry gets the nod everywhere else.

Bostick is far enough away that it will be an upset if he turns into anything.

And, as of right now, Gentry is slated to wear #1, which is a cool baseball number.
   17. Squash Posted: December 11, 2013 at 12:03 AM (#4615684)
There were 30 OFers to hit 20 HRs last year, that's not a throwaway quality anymore.

What I mean is more toward the fairly interchangeable than any specific number of HRs. He'll probably be a league average OF, which certainly has value. The A's are trying to win now and Gentry put up 3.6 BBREF WAR last year in 287 PAs. Defensive caveats aside 2.2 of those were oWAR, so it's not like he's a slouch with the bat. I'm just coming around to liking him a lot.
   18. Der-K, the bloodied charmer Posted: December 11, 2013 at 12:55 AM (#4615699)
i like this deal for both teams.
   19. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 11, 2013 at 12:55 AM (#4615700)
I was down on this move early, but I like it more and more. Gentry puts up huge WAR numbers in very limited PAs - he may be a sleeping giant. Choice strikes me as a fairly interchangeable 20 HR OF, Bostick is good. Weeks for Johnson looks to me as a push. Better performance vs. a lot more money.
Gentry has always been a great defender, but he does have a 94 career OPS+. Even in his so far career year 2013 he had an .701 OPS vs righties, so he is at best a platoon player. He's 29 years old, so if he's been a sleeping giant, he's been sleeping a long time. Choice is a real power prospect who is a good enough OF to fake CF. He could be better than Gentry as soon as this year because he has the potential to play every day. Yes he's likely to be average but he's young enough that he could still improve. I look at it as Anderson for Johnson and Pomeranz, and I don't like it.
   20. puck Posted: December 11, 2013 at 01:05 AM (#4615702)
In a vacuum, I think Colorado wins the trade easily. But do they think they're going to be competitive in the next two years? I guess I don't really see it. They seem mediocre at best to me. They'd be better off seeing what they have in Pomeranz.

They're too afraid to either rebuild or go for it when they feel they're in contention. (One of their 2-headed GM said the FO members "don't feel we're too far away"; who knows if he really believes it.) In the meantime they figure they have Tulo and CarGo and will just keep hoping everyone else they're surrounded with have career years or go on a long winning streak and win the wild card. Meanwhile, decent numbers of people keep turning out for a nice night at Coors Field anyway.
   21. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: December 11, 2013 at 01:05 AM (#4615703)
I'm fine with the Gentry deal, as I stated in the thread on the trade. If nothing else, he's better insurance against a Coco aging or injury slide than Choice because Gentry will play a solid CF if needed, and even if Coco is healthy all year, he'll be a great 4th OF who will get plenty of plate appearances. It was a solid "win now" move.

On pure player value, the Johnson trade is a win too - but the salary involved forced their hand with Anderson. I wonder if Beane could have gotten more for Anderson if he'd moved him before acquiring Johnson and therefore before getting into a tighter spot with payroll. Of course that changes a lot of things...Johnson probably gets non-tendered by Baltimore, becomes a free agent and who knows whether he would sign with Oakland, especially since I bet he would have gotten more than one year with a higher overall salary than what the A's are paying for 2014. Maybe in the 2 yr/$14mil range? Seriously doubt the A's would have done that.
   22. Brian Posted: December 11, 2013 at 08:22 AM (#4615750)
With Crisp and his .645 OPS versus LHP Gentry looks like the short half of a decent/good CF platoon.
   23. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 11, 2013 at 10:15 AM (#4615784)
I'm fine with the Gentry deal, as I stated in the thread on the trade. If nothing else, he's better insurance against a Coco aging or injury slide than Choice because Gentry will play a solid CF if needed, and even if Coco is healthy all year, he'll be a great 4th OF who will get plenty of plate appearances. It was a solid "win now" move.

Which makes the Anderson deal all the more strange, because it clearly makes the team worse "right now"...that is until Anderson injures his adenoids. If the objective is to "win now" I don't see Johnson as being more valuable in 2014 than Anderson. Johnson is at best a 1 WAR guy, and Anderson is most likely at least that and possibly a lot more than that. If the A's were rebuilding I can see trading an oft-injured starting pitcher for a guy like Pomeranz, but if they're trying to "win now" it don't make sense.
   24. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: December 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM (#4615805)
The A's have 5 starters, lost their closer.
   25. sinicalypse Posted: December 12, 2013 at 09:02 PM (#4617162)
FROM THE FRANCHISE THAT BROUGHT YOU "PRIOR WEST" RICH HARDEN AND THE TRAINING ROOM LEGEND ANDREW BAILEY COMES THE NEXT CHAPTER IN THE LONG STORIED HISTORY OF OAKLAND A'S PITCHERS.... BRETT ANDERSON!

iirc, wasn't he their best pitcher when he was actually out there? i seem to remember people thinking he had a chance at being a 15+ game winner with a sub-3.50 ERA and strikeouts and whatnot.... so hey since the A's are all about doing this, i wonder what they know that we don't (this guy gets injured enough to invoke memories of "prior west") it seems like a good toss of the dice for colorado, who would do well to try and assemble a pitching staff by hook or by crook..... but hey if they think trading dexter fowler seemingly reaching his peak to free up room for civic hero charlie blackmon, at lest they went out and addressed pitching by getting a guy who, arguably, we haven't seen the best out of....... right?

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